Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[claretlegend]

Maxwell to West Ham is done. Same reliable source who told me about Dwight. Not sure on the fee.

[Conroy92]

Call me cynical but the timing fits, one ready to depart and one ready to be announced, the club have played it like this all window.

[ksrclaret]

Let's hope the reporting on Cornet to West Ham is accurate. It has certainly dragged on for far too long now.

[RVclaret]

Alex Crook tweeted

‘As just discussed on @talkSPORT #WHUFC are in for Maxwel Cornet after failing to agree deal for Kostic. Believe they are looking at a permanent deal.‘

Doesn’t mention any fee being agreed.

[Gordaleman]

Just a reminder, if anyone needs one, as to just what we'll be missing when Cornet leaves.

Scroll down for all of his spectacular goals.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... midfielder

[randomclaret2]

Alex Crook tweeted

‘As just discussed on @talkSPORT #WHUFC are in for Maxwel Cornet after failing to agree deal for Kostic. Believe they are looking at a permanent deal.‘

Doesn’t mention any fee being agreed.

Isnt this the fella who told us Brownhill was leaving as he was out of contract this summer ?

[Top Claret]

Glad he's off we can use the money to far better use.

Don't think we would have got value for money out of him in the championship he would have spent the best part of the season with the physio, especially with the WC this winter

[Zlatan]

Just a reminder, if anyone needs one, as to just what we'll be missing when Cornet leaves.

Scroll down for all of his spectacular goals.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... midfielder

Watching that highlights reel shows me where his weakness lies… he doesn’t do tap ins… every goal was a worldly

[Goody1975]

Isnt this the fella who told us Brownhill was leaving as he was out of contract this summer ?

...and that Cornet thought he was "a loan"

[wilks_bfc]

Isnt this the fella who told us Brownhill was leaving as he was out of contract this summer ?

It is

He also reported that when Cornet said he wanted to return to Lyon, Jackson told him he wasn’t “a loan”

[Tricky Trevor]

Benson or no Benson that side deserves another run out. Bed(sic) the lad in.

[Goody1975]

If indeed we are at a point this week where Cornet leaves and Benson arrives, what is everyone expecting for the remainder of our transfer dealings?

Incomings?

Outgoings?

[Gordaleman]

Watching that highlights reel shows me where his weakness lies… he doesn’t do tap ins… every goal was a worldly

Spot on. It's criminal that if someone pays cash, we have to let him go for £17.5 million.

[Robbo1882]

We’ll get a nice profit on Cornet and a cheaper player in Benson brought in that hopefully we’ll make a profit on in the future, for a Championship club now it decent business and from the clips I’ve seen on YouTube Benson looks a very good direct player that will help ease the pain of losing Max

[Newcastleclaret93]

Alex Crook tweeted

‘As just discussed on @talkSPORT #WHUFC are in for Maxwel Cornet after failing to agree deal for Kostic. Believe they are looking at a permanent deal.‘

Doesn’t mention any fee being agreed.

Definitely was not how it was said on the radio. Said fee agreed for permanent deal

[Woodleyclaret]

Sky reporting Max is a loan
Probably an error, as we need the cash agreed not loaning him out

[claretcarrot93]

Spot on. It's criminal that if someone pays cash, we have to let him go for £17.5 million.

Surprised he is going West ham according to some on here he would not get in the Burnley team

[Tricky Trevor]

From Sky just now.

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[claretonthecoast1882]

Spot on. It's criminal that if someone pays cash, we have to let him go for £17.5 million.

How do you work that out ?

[Gordaleman]

Sky reporting Max is a loan
Probably an error, as we need the cash agreed not loaning him out

They are saying that that's what Wet Spam want, not Burnley.

I'm still hoping no-one divvies up and he stays. After all, I have a shirt with his name and number on it.

[Gordaleman]

How do you work that out ?

Try reading the original posts and look at the context. If it wasn't for his release clause we'd be looking at a far higher fee.

[kenyon6923]

West Ham did the same with Benrahma at Brentford - initial season loan then signed him

[ksrclaret]

Try reading the original posts and look at the context. If it wasn't for his release clause we'd be looking at a far higher fee.

Given we've struggled to get anyone to meet the release clause (we don't even know if West Ham have met it yet), I strongly suspect we would not be looking at a higher fee.

[Burnley Ace]

I’d be happy for a loan fee and 1st refusal to buy at a reasonable price. When we get promoted he can come back or if he wants to stay at WH we get a decent fee.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Try reading the original posts and look at the context. If it wasn't for his release clause we'd be looking at a far higher fee.

Maybe the release clause was part of the agreement on him signing in the first place.

How much more would he cost without the release clause, you say far higher yet nobody so far has offered 17.5m despite knowing this gets him. The idea we would get a far higher fee is crazy when people are trying to get the 17.5m lowered.

Logic is always more accurate than fantasy

[wilks_bfc]

They are saying that that's what Wet Spam want, not Burnley.

I'm still hoping no-one divvies up and he stays. After all, I have a shirt with his name and number on it.

There was a young lad in the shop on Friday getting the new shirt telling his dad he wanted Cornet 20 on it

His dad was trying his best to convince to pick another one without breaking it to him he’d most likely be going

Not sure if he managed it

[claretandy]

If indeed we are at a point this week where Cornet leaves and Benson arrives, what is everyone expecting for the remainder of our transfer dealings?

Incomings?

Outgoings?

1 mobile, quick number 9.
1 who can play anywhere across the front.

Outgoings, Youngsters on loan.

[NellyDBFC]

Looking like history repeating regarding Maxwell..

Fulham, Everton, Newcastle and now West ham all frankley trying it on....either pay up or p.ss off

Be interesting to know how many owners of the above clubs would offer me a buy to let on one of there properties...then within 12 months the roof leaks and the boiler packs in..so I hand the house back with its value having dipped.

[Gordaleman]

Given we've struggled to get anyone to meet the release clause (we don't even know if West Ham have met it yet), I strongly suspect we would not be looking at a higher fee.

That's just not the case. Most transfers go through on the 'Never never'. Very few clubs stump up the who fee in one go, even the top six don't.

As it is, it's only Cornet's release clause that's keeping the price so low. It shows how much other clubs value him by the fact that two or three are seemingly prepared to pay £25 million for him in instalments. Had his release clause been £25 million, we may have had offers in the region of £30 to £35 million if paid on the drip.

Personally, I think Burnley are playing hard ball with Cornet and are hoping no one will pay £17.5 million and Cornet stays at Burnley.

[ksrclaret]

That's just not the case. Most transfers go through on the 'Never never'. Very few clubs stump up the who fee in one go, even the top six don't.

As it is, it's only Cornet's release clause that's keeping the price so low. It shows how much other clubs value him by the fact that two or three are seemingly prepared to pay £25 million for him in instalments. Had his release clause been £25 million, we may have had offers in the region of £30 to £35 million if paid on the drip.

Personally, I think Burnley are playing hard ball with Cornet and are hoping no one will pay £17.5 million and Cornet stays at Burnley.

Absolute fantasy land now

[claretonthecoast1882]

"Nobody will pay 17.5m as it has to be in 1 payment but they would paid 35m spread out"

[Gordaleman]

"Nobody will pay 17.5m as it has to be in 1 payment but they would paid 35m spread out"

No, you didn't read what I wrote. I said if the release clause was £25 million they might. (Because he's worth at least £25 million.)

Anyway, let's agree to disagree. This is a discussion, not an argument and everyone is entitled to their own view, even me.

I still hope he ends up staying.

[Rumbletonk]

Maybe the release clause was part of the agreement on him signing in the first place.

How much more would he cost without the release clause, you say far higher yet nobody so far has offered 17.5m despite knowing this gets him. The idea we would get a far higher fee is crazy when people are trying to get the 17.5m lowered.

Logic is always more accurate than fantasy

The release clause would have been negotiated at point of sale (to us). The higher fee would come into play if the buying club, as reported, want to loan for a season with the obligation to buy.

[Boss Hogg]

From Sky just now.
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This sounds like a cr*p deal. If they can’t afford him up front they can’t afford him.

[claretbob]

Pretty sure the only reason Arsenal paid £70m for Pepe was because only £20m was paid upfront and the rest payable over 4/5 years whilst Palace wanted £50m for Zaha upfront. Clubs seem to have a yearly budget and it’s all about cash flow. It’s pure speculation but it would not be a surprise that the Collins fee was mainly upfront whilst Mcneil’s looks to be paid on an annual £5m basis with the fourth year probably not payable unless he has played a certain number of games.
My feeling is that we are quite keen on the possibility of getting Cornet back if we go up so the loan might be a runner. No-one is paying £17.5m upfront so assuming wages are the issue it might be the best way forward. If everyone else has dropped to a “measly” £25k per week and he is still on £50k it is going to lead to a bad feeling in the camp.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ryan Taylor

“West Ham have made an opening offer for Maxwel Cornet which falls short of #BurnleyFC valuation. Clarets still holding out for close to £17m. Filip Kostić not totally off table but understand there are various complications, not least fresh interest from Juventus. #WHUFC”

[Tricky Trevor]

This sounds like a cr*p deal. If they can’t afford him up front they can’t afford him.

I’d be more concerned about the “club and player performances”.
A massive get out in there favour unless we are very careful.

[RVclaret]

Ryan Taylor

“West Ham have made an opening offer for Maxwel Cornet which falls short of #BurnleyFC valuation. Clarets still holding out for close to £17m. Filip Kostić not totally off table but understand there are various complications, not least fresh interest from Juventus. #WHUFC”

Looks like this is going to drag on for longer then

[RVclaret]

Jacob Steinberg from the Guardian said this

‘West Ham, who are close to agreeing a deal to sign the Burnley forward Maxwel Cornet after having an offer of about £17m rejected on Tuesday night’

So many mixed reports on this - surely there can’t be a release clause if they’ve bid 500k underneath it

[ecc]

Belgian sports media saying Benson is in Burnley.

Didn't know the evil Van Bommel was Antwerp manager but he says this:

"Benson isn't going to Norway [Antwerp play Lilleström tomorrow in the Conference League]. He's in the process of sorting his transfer out. Am I sad he's going? Yes, he's played well here and was happy. But when a player wants to leave you can stop him if the club really wants to at all costs.However, we haven't done so in this case. He's done well for us and we have to take that into account. He absolutely wanted to step up a level."

https://www.walfoot.be/news/2022-08-03/ ... n-empecher

[BigChaCha]

surely there can’t be a release clause if they’ve bid 500k underneath it

No expert on this but it probably depends on the payment structure and also on what bids we have had... If no club has activated the release clause with the payment structure instructed within that release clause then I don't see why we can't sell below that release clause value if there is value in the payment structure being offered...

Whatever happens, it sounds like we may have the upper hand in the way the release clause is structured and I am quite impressed with how savvy we have been in some of these deals... We certainly seem to have a far better transfer team in place than previously anyway.

[bpgburn]

Jacob Steinberg from the Guardian said this

‘West Ham, who are close to agreeing a deal to sign the Burnley forward Maxwel Cornet after having an offer of about £17m rejected on Tuesday night’

So many mixed reports on this - surely there can’t be a release clause if they’ve bid 500k underneath it

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the release clause is deemed void because it became public? Or did I dream it?

[lakedistrictclaret]

I suspect Cornet outgoing and Benson incoming are both imminent.
On the admittedly limited evidence of one game, we seem to be acquiring very accomplished players for a fraction of the cost of the likes of Cornet and Weghorst. This is the ALK model, but the downside is that players like Cullen and Bastien will be off as soon as their value has increased sufficiently.
That situation may change if we get ack to the Premier League quickly.

[RVclaret]

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the release clause is deemed void because it became public? Or did I dream it?

It was. Seems to be some confusion / difference on reporting depending on which journo you follow.

[Top Claret]

I suspect Cornet outgoing and Benson incoming are both imminent.
On the admittedly limited evidence of one game, we seem to be acquiring very accomplished players for a fraction of the cost of the likes of Cornet and Weghorst. This is the ALK model, but the downside is that players like Cullen and Bastien will be off as soon as their value has increased sufficiently.
That situation may change if we get ack to the Premier League quickly.

Far better business model than the old way and the way forward for all clubs our size.

Cornet as turned out a good investment but now is the time for him to move on so that we can take him of the pay roll to suit our new business model

If our new strategy works out and we get promoted we shall have more or less wiped of our debt this time next year

[agreenwood]

If we get Cornet’s release clause we’ve done well.

[Stalbansclaret]

It is

He also reported that when Cornet said he wanted to return to Lyon, Jackson told him he wasn’t “a loan”

Err that was a joke based around the Michael Jackson song "You Are Not Alone"

[Gordaleman]

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the release clause is deemed void because it became public? Or did I dream it?

Why would it become void if made public? If Burnley didn't want a release clause but Cornet did, then Burnley would agree to it but then make sure it leaked out.

I'm pretty sure the release clause is valid either way.

[Top Claret]

Doing a deal with those East end barrow boys won't be easy, they're the London old school and are as dodgy as feck

[martin_p]

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the release clause is deemed void because it became public? Or did I dream it?

That can’t be the case surely? It makes such clauses literally not worth the paper they’re written on. All it takes is an agent to leak details to a friendly journalist and his/her client is suddenly free from the clause.