Italy v England

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:32 pm

Nations league game, meaningless but need to see a good performance after that last international break disaster.

Looks like a 3-4-3. Pope getting recognition now he’s not with little old Burnley…

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:57 pm

Glad this thread was started, I had it in mind that this game was Saturday. Better get myself organised now as I fancy watching this to compare with the last meeting between these two.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:58 pm

Actually quite like that team.

Chance to see the Rice - Bellingham midfield 2 which I am hoping starts at the World Cup.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:00 pm

But.. But... He can't kick.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:01 pm

Strong side on paper.

Is Pickford not injured so Popes the obvious backup.

I get the pelters Maguire is getting but he’s never played bad for England. Was he not in the team of the Euros last year.

You live in Italy don’t you? How will Italy be treating this game given they’re not going to Qatar?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm

Utterly bizarre that Pope gets a shout.

Is he good enough? Absolutely he’s good enough. Is he better than Pickford? No question for me he’s the better keeper. So why does JP get selected ahead of him?

We are told it’s down to his distribution. That improved SO much now he’s at Newcastle? I’d wager not. But if that’s the only difference between the two, and his distribution is so bad that GS would rather have a lesser keeper between the sticks, then Pope shouldn't play at all.

For the record, I’ve completely lost faith in Southgate. I am completely bewildered not just by his team selections, but by his tactics, and also the tripe he comes out with in the pressers. He’s as puddled as Garth Crooks.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:05 pm

I can’t believe Southgate gets anything other than the total backing of England fans.

We got to the semis in the last WC and the final of the last Euros. When have we ever done anything like that in the last 50 years?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:06 pm

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:01 pm
Strong side on paper.

Is Pickford not injured so Popes the obvious backup.

I get the pelters Maguire is getting but he’s never played bad for England. Was he not in the team of the Euros last year.

You live in Italy don’t you? How will Italy be treating this game given they’re not going to Qatar?

Yes but arguably Ramsdale could have been next in line, he’s Arsenal’s keeper and they are currently top of the PL, interesting.

I do yeah but Naples, and they aren’t as into the national team here compared to elsewhere, so not too sure.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:10 pm

I’d say Pickford is GS’ number one and will be obviously in the World Cup. He’ll probably rotate all the other keepers in the next two games but it wont have any relevance to his future starting XI.

I’m sure Italy will be experimenting with a shed load of subs

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm

Pretty straightforward really, Pickford injured.

Don't we get relegated, from whatever this is, if we lose tonight?

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm

Kane anytime boosted with 365

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:18 pm

I'll have some of that.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:25 pm

Is the sound out of sync?

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 pm

Only 2 right backs tonight. We must be going for it.

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:36 pm

This channel 4 pre match build up is killing me off

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:38 pm

Is the San Siro really an “old historic” stadium? I thought it was built for Italia 90

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:39 pm

Dier playing for England. Fair enough.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:39 pm

TheOriginalLongsider wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:38 pm
Is the San Siro really an “old historic” stadium? I thought it was built for Italia 90

No it was just done up then. I think they added a third tier

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm

Fair enough

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm

Pitchfork being injured leaves the decision to be made....decent keeper who can pass it around, or a keeper who will stop goals going in???

Well done Nick Pope. Best keeper in the country.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:45 pm

Can’t believe Southgate hasn’t picked Muric.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm

Nice for them to hold a minutes silence for the British economy

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm

That team should cause Italy problems, glad Pope got his chance, but if Pickford is fit for the WC he'll surely be number one.

Bellingham is one talent who excites me, and he could well be a key player in the WC he's that good in my view.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm

Dier and Maguire , faith in Southgate ? Stones left out of the 23 .

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:49 pm

Apologies , didn't realise he was suspended. Sorry

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:52 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:45 pm
Can’t believe Southgate hasn’t picked Muric.

Crap kicking I'm told.

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:04 pm

Awful already

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:05 pm

James playing like a clown. Is that why he has coloured his hair?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:12 pm

Southgates brand of football won’t work in the heat of Qatar.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:13 pm

You can see why he didn't bother selecting Toney in the 23.

Stanbill05 · Post by **Stanbill05** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:13 pm

Sterling I struggle with. He must have lost possession every time he's touched it and that isn't unusual. He probably pop up with a tap in but it's not worth it for me.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:14 pm

Watch until Corrie kicked off, then a thowt **** up I'll pick it up later

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:14 pm

Why isn't Chilwell at LB, is he injured?

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:15 pm

Ita going off at half time if its keeps like this

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:18 pm

Umm not good in terms of joined up. Bellingham looks good. But needs to work it out with rice who holds and who go forwards. Back 3 look clueless.

Foden looks sharp, but after that I’m struggling to single anyone out. Ska and sterling spectators and James is just annonymous

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:19 pm

Modern international, football. Its so boring and C4 commentators boring as well. I'm surprised they haven't fallen asleep.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:27 pm

Classic Southgate game.

Bet the team cannot wait for the halftime teamtalk.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:29 pm

Kane absolute cart horse!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:30 pm

The amount of soft free kicks given in these games is wonderfully tedious.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:30 pm

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:29 pm
Kane absolute cart horse!

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:32 pm

I’m not watching the second half

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:32 pm

Referee blew at 44:58 minutes.

He's clearly as gripped by this game as the rest of us.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:33 pm

Kane needs supply - you wont get supply from sterling , Shaka , James (though he does in Prem). Foden and Bellingham about only positives from game so far

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:34 pm

Kanes had plenty of supply. He just heads it aimlessly into the air with his mouth open!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:36 pm

a nothing game, but its plain to see we havent a hope in hell of winning a major tournament for another fifty years. Woeful stuff.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:36 pm

I turned over to a different channel after 15 minutes, absolute load of rubbish. Interesting that Southgate still picks players that have been struggling for form with their respective clubs.

Stanbill05 · Post by **Stanbill05** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:37 pm

Depressing that this replaces a proper weekend of football..

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:37 pm

I just wish Southgate had a bit more ambition and trust in his team. This formation is so negative, and I don’t believe three centre backs is required. Play Walker at RWB and his pace on the recovery when out of possession can become a three.

The lack of creativity and support for Kane is so frustrating - use that third CB body to get the likes of Grealish into the side. There is nobody (bar Foden, perhaps, but he’s forced too deep in this system) willing to try and commit a defender. I’d far, far rather see an attacking England side that yes, May concede more, but will look to go for it and really hurt sides. It’s such turgid stuff to watch - and I’m a Southgate supporter due to his record with us.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:40 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:37 pm
I just wish Southgate had a bit more ambition and trust in his team. This formation is so negative, and I don’t believe three centre backs is required. Play Walker at RWB and his pace on the recovery when out of possession can become a three.

The lack of creativity and support for Kane is so frustrating - use that third CB body to get the likes of Grealish into the side. There is nobody (bar Foden, perhaps, but he’s forced too deep in this system) willing to try and commit a defender. I’d far, far rather see an attacking England side that yes, May concede more, but will look to go for it and really hurt sides. It’s such turgid stuff to watch - and I’m a Southgate supporter due to his record with us.

He's been in management since 2006. That's 14 years ago. All of his sides have played this exact way.

1 shot on goal that half which I think was the mis-hit, speculative effort from Bellingham.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:41 pm

Is it true that he used to manage Middlesbrough?