Police after Boro

[Nori1958]

Jesus wept, are you being purposely numb?

I am talking about PYCB!

Thankyou for pointing that out, sorry I misunderstood your reply to me, but absolutely no need to be rude. Happy Christmas.

[TsarBomba]

I am telling you all now, no serving police officer's will have witnessed anything and i very much doubt body cam footage would have been on in these circumstances. However, if there is BWF, i will guarantee you that if it is incriminating against the police it wont be served as evidence meaning it will be erased in 30 days.

Stop talking nonsense.

I have worked on various response teams over the years where officers get challenged by their colleagues and supervisors for their actions, certainly if they are deemed to have fallen below the standards expected.

If an officer doesn’t feel confident in challenging behaviour, if they are younger in service for example, then there is a confidential phone number to report officers as well.

Any engagement I have with members of the public, my camera is on. Body worn cameras are the best thing the Police have brought in. Complaints against the Police have dwindled as a result.

There are strict criteria for when and where you should have your cameras on, and at certain calls, such as domestics, they are mandatory. If a camera isn’t on when it should be, officers will get hauled over the coals.

If an officer is using force on a person, then their camera MUST be on. If it isn’t, then quite rightly the impression given is the officer has something to hide.

[Gaia]

https://twitter.com/turfmoornews/status ... 1jKsQ&s=19

This is a video on twitter of it.

[Quickenthetempo]

https://twitter.com/turfmoornews/status ... 1jKsQ&s=19

This is a video on twitter of it.

There's 2 white horses. Now you have complicated it.

[Nori1958]

There's 2 white horses. Now you have complicated it.

And not doing anything wrong in that short video

[NottsClaret]

I know nothing about the incident, so I presume there's far worse than that video. Because that just shows the police doing a pretty good job in a potentially volatile situation with some fans acting like dicks, and the rest just getting out the way and going home.

[Croydon Claret]

I just see good horsemanship and a few people who need to grow up and start behaving like adults

[claret wizard]

I’ve seen more spicy kormas than that.

[BFC Supps Groups]

We have been in discussions with the police on the events on Belvedere Road after the Middlesbrough game. There were issues on both sides and the police are dealing with theirs. We agreed that the main problem was the parking of the coach across the top of Ormerod Yard. That was a club issue.

[wilks_bfc]

We have been in discussions with the police on the events on Belvedere Road after the Middlesbrough game. There were issues on both sides and the police are dealing with theirs. We agreed that the main problem was the parking of the coach across the top of Ormerod Yard. That was a club issue.

How was the parking of the coach a club issue?

There was a huge gap in front of the coach, presumably so the cars could leave from the cricket club, but let’s be honest, they wouldn’t have been able to leave very quickly anyway with the amount of supporters that had to walk on the road.
Why couldn’t the police have done what they usually do when there are a lot of coaches and parked nose to tail

[Duffer_]

There were issues on both sides and the police are dealing with theirs.

Who or what is the 'other' side if the police are one side?

[Nori1958]

Who or what is the 'other' side if the police are one side?

The idiots having a go at each other?

[Gaia]

There was also a pic on twitter of 2 police holding a bloke with a hat on down on the floor. Don't know if that was the bloke that was allegedly punched by the police. Can't find it now

[AGENT_CLARET]

There was also a pic on twitter of 2 police holding a bloke with a hat on down on the floor. Don't know if that was the bloke that was allegedly punched by the police. Can't find it now

Screenshot_20221221-155631_Twitter.jpg (105.35 KiB) Viewed 2966 times

[Gaia]

That's the one, nice one Agent Claret.

[Nori1958]

Screenshot_20221221-155631_Twitter.jpg

Without the context of what was happening at the time, and leading up to it, that photo could show several things... Dealing with a medical incident.. A legal arrest.. Police being over over zealous, and many other possibilities

[Gaia]

One of the comments on that photo on twitter is

These two thug police officers were punching the lad in the face whilst pinning him on the ground

[pushpinpussy]

Stop talking nonsense.

I have worked on various response teams over the years where officers get challenged by their colleagues and supervisors for their actions, certainly if they are deemed to have fallen below the standards expected.

If an officer doesn’t feel confident in challenging behaviour, if they are younger in service for example, then there is a confidential phone number to report officers as well.

Any engagement I have with members of the public, my camera is on. Body worn cameras are the best thing the Police have brought in. Complaints against the Police have dwindled as a result.

There are strict criteria for when and where you should have your cameras on, and at certain calls, such as domestics, they are mandatory. If a camera isn’t on when it should be, officers will get hauled over the coals.

If an officer is using force on a person, then their camera MUST be on. If it isn’t, then quite rightly the impression given is the officer has something to hide.

Absolute rubbish, You are just saying the right things for the public. I do trials regularly where the officer's do not have BWF or they do not conveniently switch them on. If they do have them on and its incriminating you wont be surprised that they are sometimes deemed as non-evidential recordings and disposed of within the 31 days.

[Nori1958]

One of the comments on that photo on twitter is

These two thug police officers were punching the lad in the face whilst pinning him on the ground

That may well have been the comments, but the picture on its own doesn't show that

[ecc]

Personally, I think the police have enough problems to deal with in today's society without DHs looking for trouble after matches.

[daveisaclaret]

Personally, I think the police have enough problems to deal with in today's society without DHs looking for trouble after matches.

Maybe the police shouldn't employ them then.

[ClaretPete001]

I'm ambivalent about the politics albeit having worked in the public services I have no doubt that speaking out on issues is not good for your career and many just keep their mouths shut. It's why we see so many horrific cases social work cases come to light but it's the same in the NHS, Education and no doubt the Police. .

What I saw was two police offices on horse back riding at Middlesbrough fans in between two buses.

It looked quite unnecessary but I wouldn't go as far as to say putting people in danger.

[dougcollins]

I'm ambivalent about the politics albeit having worked in the public services I have no doubt that speaking out on issues is not good for your career and many just keep their mouths shut. It's why we see so many horrific cases social work cases come to light but it's the same in the NHS, Education and no doubt the Police. .

What I saw was two police offices on horse back riding at Middlesbrough fans in between two buses.

It looked quite unnecessary but I wouldn't go as far as to say putting people in danger.

Well, you saw what you saw.

Others saw different.

[Nori1958]

Well, you saw what you saw.

Others saw different.

I think it depends when you walked past as to what you saw
Anyone walking past at the time the video above was filmed wouldn't have thought anything about it

[ClaretPete001]

Well, you saw what you saw.

Others saw different.

I've looked at the comments and there appears to be some debate about the police etc. but few are arguing it didn't happen.....!

[Leisure]

I'm ambivalent about the politics albeit having worked in the public services I have no doubt that speaking out on issues is not good for your career and many just keep their mouths shut. It's why we see so many horrific cases social work cases come to light but it's the same in the NHS, Education and no doubt the Police. .

What I saw was two police offices on horse back riding at Middlesbrough fans in between two buses.

It looked quite unnecessary but I wouldn't go as far as to say putting people in danger.

But that was after the horses charged dangerously down Belvedere Road seriously endangering innocent home fans who were only walking away from the ground.

[ClaretPete001]

But that was after the horses charged dangerously down Belvedere Road seriously endangering innocent home fans who were only walking away from the ground.

Fair enough I didn't see that albeit given what I did see I'm not surprised.

[ŽižkovClaret]

There are certain things you realise as you grow up. Santa isn't real, and the police as a rule, aren't to be trusted, are two.

I found out two acquaintances joined the force as late entrants, and instinctively i now see them very differently. Its just how it is.

[Nori1958]

There are certain things you realise as you grow up. Santa isn't real, and the police as a rule, aren't to be trusted, are two.

I found out two acquaintances joined the force as late entrants, and instinctively i now see them very differently. Its just how it is.

If your house gets broken into, or your child goes missing, your wife is attacked, who do you call if you don't trust the police to deal with it?

[ŽižkovClaret]

If your house gets broken into, or your child goes missing, your wife is attacked, who do you call if you don't trust the police to deal with it?

You wouldn't get anyone round in any reasonable time, so id just get the reference number and call my insurance.

All those instances would be evidence of where they failed to prevent a crime, and purport to be of some use after the fact.

Simply not fit for purpose

[Nori1958]

You wouldn't get anyone round in any reasonable time, so id just get the reference number and call my insurance.

All those instances would be evidence of where they failed to prevent a crime, and purport to be of some use after the fact.

Simply not fit for purpose

So your child goes missing, or your wife gets sexually assaulted you'd just ring for a reference number. Hopefully you're not married or a father

[ŽižkovClaret]

you're not married or a father

In one. Didn't stop you assuming though eh? Another typical behaviour of the type x

[Nori1958]

In one. Didn't stop you assuming though eh? Another typical behaviour of the type x

Well edited
An excellent way of not having to answer the question, which I think I know the answer to, but would hate to assume.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Well edited
An excellent way of not having to answer the question, which I think I know the answer to, but would hate to assume.

Sarcasm too. Very befitting. Now i'm off for a brew, officer. Have a good day.

[TsarBomba]

You wouldn't get anyone round in any reasonable time, so id just get the reference number and call my insurance.

All those instances would be evidence of where they failed to prevent a crime, and purport to be of some use after the fact.

Simply not fit for purpose

Out of interest, when was the last time you called Police here in the UK? What sort of response did you get?

We’re obviously never going to prevent all crime unfortunately, be great if we could, but as indicator of how much we’re struggling, our staffing levels on response team are consistently 60/70% of where they should be.

You are right when you say the Police aren’t fit for purpose, just like the NHS isn’t, the Fire Service isn’t, the London Ambulance Service isn’t (indeed all ambulance services). All public services are on their knees.

Did you know that here in the Met, only 22% of our time is dealing with crime related incidents. The rest is covering for the ambulance service, social services, and other agencies that have just given up.

But one thing I can assure you is if you call 999 in genuine need of emergency, you will get officers in minutes, through hell or high water.

[Nori1958]

Sarcasm too. Very befitting. Now i'm off for a brew, officer. Have a good day.

So I guess you would call the police in those circumstances, but not quite man enough to admit it

Your assumptions are wrong as well

Stay away from your keyboard, and enjoy the day, hopefully nothing serious happens to you or any family you may or may not have.... Its hard work ringing insurance companies this time of year

[ŽižkovClaret]

Been a long time since i interacted with the police in the UK, most recently would have been in 2012 or so when informing traffic police that several customers were in fact insured, and that they should be allowed to carry on with their journey.

I used to enjoy their exasperation when they exclaimed "But we already called the recovery vehicle to take it to the pound"

[2 Bee Holed]

If your house gets broken into, or your child goes missing, your wife is attacked, who do you call if you don't trust the police to deal with it?

Ghostbusters.

[Lancasterclaret]

Gone from a confrontation outside the ground to general police bashing

Bit disappointing

Seriously, imagine what it would be like if we didn't have police?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

There are certain things you realise as you grow up. Santa isn't real, and the police as a rule, aren't to be trusted, are two.

I found out two acquaintances joined the force as late entrants, and instinctively i now see them very differently. Its just how it is.

That says more about you as a friend and a human being to be honest. Seeing somebody differently because of the job that they do, grow up.

[ŽižkovClaret]

That says more about you as a friend and a human being to be honest. Seeing somebody differently because of the job that they do, grow up.

Everyone views everyone else, of any profession, through their own personal prism, based on their own experiences and perceptions.

[2 Bee Holed]

This is not anti-police, but a surprisingly true story. Even I admit it's barely believable.
I was working on a college near Huddersfield town centre. I had just finished work and had just set off driving home to Holmfirth. A guy that I droving past lifted an object out of his boot with a grey blanket covering it. A gust of wind blew the blanket off the barrel of a sterling sub machine gun. I stopped at Holmfirth police station to report this at the desk. This is about 1991.
The desk officer must have thought I was a right nutter. I explained my army days etc. Righty oh sir, thank you. They weren't interested which house etc.
6 months later a bank was robbed in Huddersfield using a sterling sub machine gun.

Guess what? the police never contacted me. Nor have they in the last 31 years. I can still remember which house it was being carried into.

[Big Vinny K]

This is not anti-police, but a surprisingly true story. Even I admit it's barely believable.
I was working on a college near Huddersfield town centre. I had just finished work and had just set off driving home to Holmfirth. A guy that I droving past lifted an object out of his boot with a grey blanket covering it. A gust of wind blew the blanket off the barrel of a sterling sub machine gun. I stopped at Holmfirth police station to report this at the desk. This is about 1991.
The desk officer must have thought I was a right nutter. I explained my army days etc. Righty oh sir, thank you. They weren't interested which house etc.
6 months later a bank was robbed in Huddersfield using a sterling sub machine gun.

Guess what? the police never contacted me. Nor have they in the last 31 years. I can still remember which house it was being carried into.

My money’s on you did it.

And you would have got away with it but for those pesky burnley fans !

[Big Vinny K]

Seriously this has turned into a very depressing thread.

[2 Bee Holed]

My money’s on you did it.

And you would have got away with it but for those pesky burnley fans !

I have eaten out on this story for years.

[turbo5]

Had a flash back last night walking back to the away coaches area at Old Trafford and you had to funnel through a gap roughly a car width , with a police control tower to the right. As we were trying to walk through the gap a female officer on a white horse was struggling to control it blocking the exit. Surely not the famous one from Saturday or could it be just white horses ! Had a little snigger to myself

[Herts Clarets]

Seriously, imagine what it would be like if we didn't have police?

I would imagine the country would be run by a bunch of crooks, robbing the poor to increase their own personal wealth and the population kept in control by the use of thugs and henchmen, dishing out summary street justice with the aid of various tolls or weapons........

[2 Bee Holed]

I would imagine the country would be run by a bunch of crooks, robbing the poor to increase their own personal wealth and the population kept in control by the use of thugs and henchmen, dishing out summary street justice with the aid of various tolls or weapons........

The Tory party?