Man Utd v Burnley match thread

[GretaVanFleet]

We need to spend £40m on two centres mids unless Kompany knows some bargains somewhere.

There are definitely great gems to be found in Ligue 1 in Belgium, such as Azzedine Ounahi, playing for Angers.

How did VK miss him?

How did it miss VK's radar?

[LoveCurryPies]

Nottingham Forest beat Blackburn 4, 1.

[tiger76]

Charlton put Brighton out on pens, a strong Brighton line-up as well.

[chekhov]

Ignore the troll…

[TheOriginalLongsider]

I think we can all see that if we go up we need to improve the team. Very good Championship side but lacking the quality needed in the Prem. There are a few exceptions - Bayer, Benson, zahoury, Cork. That’s not to say we were outclassed, just that we need to take our chances and defend better

[SussexDon1inIreland]

I still think Ash was unlucky he only had a split second to shoot

[bf2k]

Positives:

Benson looks great even at this level.
Beyer and Maatsen both looked surprisingly comfortable against international forwards.
Midfield had a good game.

Negatives:

A striker has to be a priority on promotion.
Thought Harwood was quite poor and Brownhill looked miles off it.

Enjoyable game and a lot to take from it. Think it’s quite clear the areas we need to improve on if we get promoted.

Summed it up very well. Hopefully Twine can get a run off games and look to challenge Brownhill.

Mention for BPF. He looked a lot better then when I’ve previously seen him.

[karatekid]

From Rashford receiving the ball in his own half he took 9 seconds to score.

[claptrappers_union]

I thought Barnes had a good game overall.

[chekhov]

Mention for BPF. He looked a lot better then when I’ve previously seen him.

Raises the question: could he actually be a better keeper than Muric?

[bf2k]

Raises the question: could he actually be a better keeper than Muric?

Can’t see why not but we don’t see then day to day

[Boss Hogg]

BPF looked good in the previous rounds to be fair.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Feels like your watching MUTV

[Ampth7]

VK suggesting Benny’s fine……just exhausted I think!?

[BennyD]

The fact that we weren't 6-0 down by 20 mins leads some of the bigger nobheads on here to think that we were somehow still in it.

The level of bottling, complete lack of skill, responsiveness and pace from the likes of Brownhill and Cork and just basic mistakes from the likes of THB shows the gulf between the two sides.

This was a bang average man utd team yet we couldn't get near them, furthermore when they decide to break, they leave out entire team standing in their wake.

Go on about VK and his great job etc but go to the thread about how we will fare in the PL and at this rate, it's plain to see.

Thank **** VK didn't play muric. Clearly trying to keep his morale up, it would hav been a 5-0 today so at least he's avoided this trauma.

Oh well, back to the championship....

Fyi, it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect you are clueless about football, than open it and remove all doubt. IMO

We matched them for large parts of the game, bested them in a few passages of play and got undone by 2 very good goals. 2/3rds of the Prem would have lost to ManU playing like that. Don't forget, they've already beaten Arsenal and Luverpool playing a lot worse than they did tonight. Yes, we need a bit of strengthening if we go up, but I'm sure Big Vinny, and Alan Pace, will have learned a lot from that performance and will do all they can to achieve it.

[warksclaret]

Positives:

Benson looks great even at this level.
Beyer and Maatsen both looked surprisingly comfortable against international forwards.
Midfield had a good game.

Negatives:

A striker has to be a priority on promotion.
Thought Harwood was quite poor and Brownhill looked miles off it.

Enjoyable game and a lot to take from it. Think it’s quite clear the areas we need to improve on if we get promoted.

AGREE-some very good performances. Disagree about THB, I thought he was fine and Benson outstanding. Josh disappointed me. If anyone watches their second goal look at the way he gave the ball away and virtually cantered back rather than sprint and try to redeem himself. Looked very tired and surprised Bastian or Twine did not come on sooner for him. Shame because he has been great this season and he started off at Man Utd

[CrosspoolClarets]

11 shots to 10 in our favour and 46% possession which is respectable here. Bodes well.

[claretcarrot93]

Positives:

Benson looks great even at this level.
Beyer and Maatsen both looked surprisingly comfortable against international forwards.
Midfield had a good game.

Negatives:

A striker has to be a priority on promotion.
Thought Harwood was quite poor and Brownhill looked miles off it.

Enjoyable game and a lot to take from it. Think it’s quite clear the areas we need to improve on if we get promoted.

Agree in general and Brownhill had a bad game but i bet you could not wait to post that

[Tricky Trevor]

BPF looked good in the previous rounds to be fair.

He has always made great reflex saves far too often he makes bad basic decisions that cost his team points. Really handy to have him as back up because when he comes in he will be up for it. 4 or 5 games in the mistakes appear.

[RVclaret]

11 shots to 10 in our favour and 46% possession which is respectable here. Bodes well.

Yup 1.45 v 1.19 xG too. Quite close.

[Iloveyoubrady]

I was pleased. We look like we could challenge some prem sides already. Benson looks the absolute business. Went past premier league defenders just as easily as he does championship ones. I think we will see even more from him in future.

[tarkys_ears]

Fyi, it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a tw4t, than open it and remove all doubt.

If you thought that was sh!t, you are either a troll or you know nothing about football. Probably both. We matched them for large parts of the game, bested them in a few passages of play and got undone by 2 very good goals. 2/3rds of the Prem would have lost to ManU playing like that. Don't forget, they've already beaten Arsenal and Luverpool playing a lot worse than they did tonight. Yes, we need a bit of strengthening if we go up, but I'm sure Big Vinny, and Alan Pace, will have learned a lot from that performance and will do all they can to achieve it. Now, STFU and go to bed.

Nice to see you're alive and haven't changed Benny

Really glad to see that at your age, covid hasn't taken you yet. That'd be a shame.

Seriously. I missed your posting.

[claretandy]

Bayer has to take one for the team there, and take School Dinners out instead of backing off.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agree in general and Brownhill had a bad game but i bet you could not wait to post that

There’s always been a misconception about me and Brownhill, I don’t hate him I just simply don’t think he’s good enough for the prem. I thought he was consistently our weak link at that level.

Brownhill performed exactly how I expected him to.

He’s got talent but unfortunately at the top level his athleticism is exposed by much better athletes and he doesn’t have the technical ability to cover the gap. That’s why he kept giving the ball away in advanced positions, this isn’t something you can teach and develop. He’s always going to be a good championship player that isn’t good enough for the prem.

[gtclaret]

There’s always been a misconception about me and Brownhill, I don’t hate him I just simply don’t think he’s good enough for the prem. I thought he was consistently our weak link at that level.

Brownhill performed exactly how I expected him to.

He’s got talent but unfortunately at the top level his athleticism is exposed by much better athletes and he doesn’t have the technical ability to cover the gap. That’s why he kept giving the ball away in advanced positions, this isn’t something you can teach and develop. He’s always going to be a good championship player that isn’t good enough for the prem.

Saying that someone's not good enough for the prem is not a criticism. Brownhill, Cork and Cullen all fall into that category. They are all certainly good enough for the Championship, and that's where we are.We don't have to deal with this problem until the summer if we are promoted. The up and coming games against Birmingham, Stoke and Swansea are the most important as VK said in his post match interview, and all the current players will be good enough for that

[ksrclaret]

There’s always been a misconception about me and Brownhill, I don’t hate him I just simply don’t think he’s good enough for the prem. I thought he was consistently our weak link at that level.

Brownhill performed exactly how I expected him to.

He’s got talent but unfortunately at the top level his athleticism is exposed by much better athletes and he doesn’t have the technical ability to cover the gap. That’s why he kept giving the ball away in advanced positions, this isn’t something you can teach and develop. He’s always going to be a good championship player that isn’t good enough for the prem.

There is no misconception.

You have previously described him as “not even a footballer”.

Own your hyperbole and don’t try to wriggle out of it.

[Cooclaret]

Positives:

Benson looks great even at this level.
Beyer and Maatsen both looked surprisingly comfortable against international forwards.
Midfield had a good game.

Negatives:

A striker has to be a priority on promotion.
Thought Harwood was quite poor and Brownhill looked miles off it.

Enjoyable game and a lot to take from it. Think it’s quite clear the areas we need to improve on if we get promoted.

I thought Brownhill was bobbins last season, and I’m yet to chcnage that opinion this season. Sell him, and let Twine, Bastian and possibly O’Hare fill that slot.

Beyer played okay, but got turned inside out against a pacy Rashford. Needs to watch videos of Tarks and that outside foot stop. Think he will be a good ‘un.

Harwood - Bellis was a different gravy for me and you can see why he’s so highly thought of.

Barnes needs to go, Roberts needs to go.

VK needs to look at his bench, I get it’s a cup game but it was clear at 55 minutes that Cork was done. Brownhill was ineffective and Barnes was starting to revert to his ‘tactics’. We sank off the press and it cost us.

Agree we need a striker as a priority.

Neville was right, United didn’t get out of second gear and walked it.

[Cooclaret]

Fyi, it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a tw4t, than open it and remove all doubt.

If you thought that was sh!t, you are either a troll or you know nothing about football. Probably both. We matched them for large parts of the game, bested them in a few passages of play and got undone by 2 very good goals. 2/3rds of the Prem would have lost to ManU playing like that. Don't forget, they've already beaten Arsenal and Luverpool playing a lot worse than they did tonight. Yes, we need a bit of strengthening if we go up, but I'm sure Big Vinny, and Alan Pace, will have learned a lot from that performance and will do all they can to achieve it. Now, STFU and go to bed.

I know that United cantered that. Never got out of second gear and could’ve stepped up and put us to bed when we dropped off 55 minutes plus.

ETH changed his formation three times by my count and had a world class CDM at CH. it was their first competitive game after a very average break.

I don’t think we were close and I think VK knew that. I saw it as the free hit it was and will lose no sleep over it.

We’re on a journey and we’re all loving it so there’s not need to be so vitriolic to other fans who disagree with you.

[Newcastleclaret93]

There is no misconception.

You have previously described him as “not even a footballer”.

Own your hyperbole and don’t try to wriggle out of it.

I do own it. I have regularly said he’s not good enough for the prem. even though you and many others insist he is.

It doesn’t mean I hate the guy haha. I think he’s quite a nice bloke from all accounts just not a prem footballer.

[Swizzlestick]

Bayer has to take one for the team there, and take School Dinners out instead of backing off.

Who is ‘School Dinners’?

[ksrclaret]

I do own it. I have regularly said he’s not good enough for the prem. even though you and many others insist he is.

It doesn’t mean I hate the guy haha. I think he’s quite a nice bloke from all accounts just not a prem footballer.

I never said you hate the guy.

I said you’d described him as “not even a footballer”. That implies he’s not good enough for any professional league.

That’s different from saying he’s not good enough for the Premier League.

It was just another occasion of you throwing a tantrum because Burnley didn’t win and making ridiculously over the top comments.

But to be clear, there is no misconception regarding your view of Brownhill. You’ve made it quite clear.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I never said you hate the guy.

I said you’d described him as “not even a footballer”. That implies he’s not good enough for any professional league.

That’s different from saying he’s not good enough for the Premier League.

It was just another occasion of you throwing a tantrum because Burnley didn’t win and making ridiculously over the top comments.

But to be clear, there is no misconception regarding your view of Brownhill. You’ve made it quite clear.

Whatever floats your boat.

I think I have been accurate in my assessment of Brownhill apart from one over the top comment that you keep dragging up.

[ksrclaret]

Whatever floats your boat.

I think I have been accurate in my assessment of Brownhill apart from one over the top comment that you keep dragging up.

Not just one.

When you post rationally you do talk some sense and make some valid contributions. When you use this board to rant in order to emotionally unburden yourself to make yourself feel better after a defeat, you invariably post shite.

[Lancasterclaret]

Who is ‘School Dinners’?

A woke version of "taking one for the team"?

[Lancasterclaret]

I know that United cantered that. Never got out of second gear and could’ve stepped up and put us to bed when we dropped off 55 minutes plus.

ETH changed his formation three times by my count and had a world class CDM at CH. it was their first competitive game after a very average break.

I don’t think we were close and I think VK knew that. I saw it as the free hit it was and will lose no sleep over it.

We’re on a journey and we’re all loving it so there’s not need to be so vitriolic to other fans who disagree with you.

There is a difference between "being in control" and "never getting out of 2nd gear"

United could never be comfortable because we offered threats and good ball possession, and they had to work to make sure they won

We could have played better absolutely no doubt, but we gave a good account of ourselves without being the mistake free and chance grabbing team you have to be to win games like this

[Ampth7]

Am I on my own by saying I couldn’t really care less about the result last night?
Would I have liked us to beat Manure?…. Yes, of course, but I would much rather have the 3 points from the Birmingham game next week.

I also can’t see any value in drawing comparisons between our players/team and Utd’s even if we do go back to the prem next season.

There are several reasons why our players cost £2/3 million and their’s regularly cost £50-100 million. Again, doesn’t this further highlight the fact that the Premier league is now essentially 3 leagues in 1 and if we go back up, we will most likely be scrapping it out in prem 3?

Forget last night now and let’s kick on for the remainder of this season. Hopefully win the league/gain promotion, and then enjoy seeing what other bright young talents VK can afford to bring through the door as he continues to build an exciting young team! UTC

[Newcastleclaret93]

There is a difference between "being in control" and "never getting out of 2nd gear"

United could never be comfortable because we offered threats and good ball possession, and they had to work to make sure they won

We could have played better absolutely no doubt, but we gave a good account of ourselves without being the mistake free and chance grabbing team you have to be to win games like this

Not sure I agree, I thought United looked very comfortable throughout. They didn’t need to get out of second gear but Tbf what else was anyone expecting they are a team of top players.

I think we played well and the style was enjoyable to watch but unfortunately United were very comfortable

[Conroysleftfoot]

Am I on my own by saying I couldn’t really care less about the result last night?
Would I have liked us to beat Manure?…. Yes, of course, but I would much rather have the 3 points from the Birmingham game next week.

I also can’t see any value in drawing comparisons between our players/team and Utd’s even if we do go back to the prem next season.

There are several reasons why our players cost £2/3 million and their’s regularly cost £50-100 million. Again, doesn’t this further highlight the fact that the Premier league is now essentially 3 leagues in 1 and if we go back up, we will most likely be scrapping it out in prem 3?

Forget last night now and let’s kick on for the remainder of this season. Hopefully win the league/gain promotion, and then enjoy seeing what other bright young talents VK can afford to bring through the door as he continues to build an exciting young team! UTC

Good post, sums up my feelings.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Who is ‘School Dinners’?

It’s a really cool nickname for Rashford.

It’s used by people like Andy so that people won’t forget what a wonderful job Rashford did in getting poor and hungry kids fed.

Well done Andy. Great to see you wanting to promote all the good work he’s done.
Keep it up.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Good post, sums up my feelings.

I also like the way vk stuck to playing the same way against Utd than he does against the rest of the Championship

[tiger76]

I thought Brownhill was bobbins last season, and I’m yet to chcnage that opinion this season. Sell him, and let Twine, Bastian and possibly O’Hare fill that slot.

Beyer played okay, but got turned inside out against a pacy Rashford. Needs to watch videos of Tarks and that outside foot stop. Think he will be a good ‘un.

Harwood - Bellis was a different gravy for me and you can see why he’s so highly thought of.

Barnes needs to go, Roberts needs to go.

VK needs to look at his bench, I get it’s a cup game but it was clear at 55 minutes that Cork was done. Brownhill was ineffective and Barnes was starting to revert to his ‘tactics’. We sank off the press and it cost us.

Agree we need a striker as a priority.

Neville was right, United didn’t get out of second gear and walked it.

Brownhill has been one of our best players this season, as his 5 goals and 5 assists testifies, and whether Bastien who the jury is still on for me, O'Hare who we'd have to fork a fairly large amount on assuming Coventry will even sell, or Twine who's sadly yet to feature much due to injuries would offer more is up for debate.

Now that isn't too say if we gain promotion we shouldn't consider cashing in on Brownhill, as he's yet to show he can truly cut it in the Prem, but in the Champ he's more than adequate, and it can't be ignored that when he missed the Sheff Utd game his absence was noticed.

Barnes will move on at the end of the season, possibly Roberts also if any bids come in for him.

[Lancasterclaret]

It’s a really cool nickname for Rashford.

It’s used by people like Andy so that people won’t forget what a wonderful job Rashford did in getting poor and hungry kids fed.

Well done Andy. Great to see you wanting to promote all the good work he’s done.
Keep it up.

I dunno, its probably one of the nicer names Andy uses for Marcus Rashford

[AGENT_CLARET]

Brownhill and Jay Rod plus 15 million for O'Hare and Gyökeres should get the deal done at the end of the season

[Duffer_]

Although service was slow and environmentally reckless, from decanting the contents of 2 plastic bottles into a plastic glass, I was astounded at the prices. £3 for 500ml of Stowford Press. Well done to Man Utd for not only not ripping me off but actually providing me with my cheapest (nearly) pint of the year!

[claretandy]

I dunno, its probably one of the nicer names Andy uses for Marcus Rashford

See how he's got his form back once he concentrated on his day job, strange that.

[Lancasterclaret]

See how he's got his form back once he concentrated on his day job, strange that.

We see you mate

Loud and clear

[Bordeauxclaret]

We see you mate

Loud and clear

Andy is just immensely proud of what Rashford achieved off the pitch and is desperate for people to remember that.

Keep reminding people of the good work Andy.