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Re: Muric

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:47 pm
You might but then again you've spent all this season looking for every negative you can find which is a 100% contradiction to the position you took previously you when you would actively argue against any criticism of the club and team.

No problem with a balanced view of things that are going well and things that could be improved but an obsessive focus on every little issue when we are romping the league and playing some of the best football a lot of us have ever seen Burnley play in our lifetimes seems a bit sad to me
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Re: Muric

Post by Leyland Claret » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:51 pm

I don’t seem to recall ever seeing a keeper using an outside of the foot sliced ball out from the back but last night Muric did it twice! He’s obviously doesn’t command the box like Pope used to but the way he plays in this team is a major cog in a very well oiled machine. He is high risk but that is the way he is told to play and it’s not gone too badly so far this season, eh?
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Re: Muric

Post by Longsider » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:55 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:29 pm
Do you really think he would be playing for us if he was flawless
This is it in a nutshell. We have a very influential player in the style and system we play.

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Re: Muric

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:56 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:38 pm
No Pope came a long way and jumped over a group of players and it was Pope who landed on one of those players (who had stood still and not made any movement towards Pope) banging the ball against him and losing control of it. Last night it was the West Brom player who moved towards and knocked into Muric when Muric was easily collecting the ball.
The similarity I am using is that both appeared to have the ball and both basically mishandled under pressure. That "goal" could easily have stood, it's all a matter of how the ref interprets it.

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Re: Muric

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:02 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:56 pm
The similarity I am using is that both appeared to have the ball and both basically mishandled under pressure. That "goal" could easily have stood, it's all a matter of how the ref interprets it.
They were very different though. It wasn't pressure in either incident that caused them to drop the ball, it was the keepers coming into contact with an opposition player. The difference was it was Pope's own fault he banged into the Newcastle player whereas last night the West Brom player banged into Muric and was nowhere near challenging for the ball.

I thought the decision was a bit soft last night and we'd got away with it but on looking at the replay the West Brom player bangs into Muric as he's collecting the ball which causes him to drop it. As Spijed said Muric could maybe be a bit stronger in those kind of scenarios but nevertheless its a clear foul
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Re: Muric

Post by claretspice » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:11 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:01 pm
Sorry but I disagree about their disallowed goal. Can only assume that you haven’t seen a replay? It definitely can’t be described as a barge- and the West Brom players did appeal.

Muric actually jumps into their player who was jumping straight up, with eyes only on the ball, catches it then fumbles it into the net.

Not this game, as it works against us as well- when a keeper challenges for the ball, any kind of contact (even if they themselves instigate it) and they get the foul which is wrong in my opinion.
Very much seen a replay - the one from the Bob Lord side is clearest - the attacker leads with his arm/elbow and that makes contact with Muric's neck. That's what causes Muric to lose control of the ball. It's then in two hands when it bounces clear on second contact.

When you make contact like that before going in fit the header, it's a foul anywhere on the pitch. That's what I meant by a barge. It's clear and it's not even a function of keepers being protected.
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Re: Muric

Post by Walkerpool » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:15 pm

Absolutely love Muric

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Re: Muric

Post by MDWat » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:23 pm

Having seen the replay of the disallowed goal, I’ve changed my view. It’s a foul, fair enough.

Perhaps a touch harsh from me then. Still want more in terms of commanding his box, but happy to hold my hands up that my view from the Bob Lord must have been impeded by a pillar!
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Re: Muric

Post by Carport » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:37 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:44 pm
Could you explain? I didn’t think he did anything wrong, keeping wise tonight. No chance with the goal. Made a good save too.
Love his distribution but I don’t understand why he didn’t come and punch the ball to prevent their goal. He is 6’5” so he only has to jump a little to take it off the top of the WBA player’s head.
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Re: Muric

Post by summitclaret » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:47 pm

He absolutely has to come for balls landing in the six yard box, especially with our lack of height everywhere else. Having said that, apart from THB, he's the best passer in the team.
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Re: Muric

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:02 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:47 pm
He absolutely has to come for balls landing in the six yard box, especially with our lack of height everywhere else. Having said that, apart from THB, he's the best passer in the team.
That cross for the goal should have been dealt with before it got anywhere near Muric.
Funny how WBA "rehearsed" the whole move on the prior corner, including the push

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Re: Muric

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:35 pm

As a keeper, he is a great sweeper.

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Re: Muric

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:38 pm

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He absolutely has to come for balls landing in the six yard box, especially with our lack of height everywhere else. Having said that, apart from THB, he's the best passer in the team.
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No he doesn't, he has to trust his defenders will deal with them.

The stats show most keepers claim about 20% of all crosses into their areas.
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Re: Muric

Post by helmclaret » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:39 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:38 pm
I thought we'd concede far, far more than we have done, which is absolutely brilliant.

I haven't got a clue how it's going to work out when we start playing better opposition on a weekly basis though.
He’s a very young goalkeeper, who is performing to a very high level. He’s not perfect but it’s felt to me all season that certain people want him to fail.

The days are gone when keepers clatter people (including their own) to claim a ball. Watch some
Premier League games this weekend and tell me apart from Pope who is good with high balls and dominating their area?

Muric is a special talent and people need to relax a bit and try to enjoy what he brings to the team.
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Re: Muric

Post by taio » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:41 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:38 pm
No he doesn't, he has to trust his defenders will deal with them.

The stats show most keepers claim about 20% of all crosses into their areas.
It's been Muric's weakness

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Re: Muric

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:18 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:41 pm
It's been Muric's weakness
Would you rather he came, flapped and missed them instead?

He has to trust his defenders and they have to deal with them, that's their job
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Re: Muric

Post by Bosscat » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Muric is match on match improving ... Look at the league position ... if he was as **** as some on here say he is we would not be where we are ... 🙂
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Re: Muric

Post by OffTheBar » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:52 pm

MDWat wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:23 pm
Having seen the replay of the disallowed goal, I’ve changed my view. It’s a foul, fair enough.

Perhaps a touch harsh from me then. Still want more in terms of commanding his box, but happy to hold my hands up that my view from the Bob Lord must have been impeded by a pillar!
Fair play. Maybe keep the blanket away from your eyes :)

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Re: Muric

Post by taio » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:45 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:18 pm
Would you rather he came, flapped and missed them instead?

He has to trust his defenders and they have to deal with them, that's their job
It's still his main improvement area. Most people can see that regardless of what the stats you quote say. And by the way he has flapped and missed them. That's the reality. He's been good this season - and was very good last night - but there's nothing wrong with people talking talking about where he can get better.

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Re: Muric

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:03 pm

taio wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:45 pm
It's still his main improvement area. Most people can see that regardless of what the stats you quote say. And by the way he has flapped and missed them. That's the reality. He's been good this season - and was very good last night - but there's nothing wrong with people talking talking about where he can get better.
This is of course correct.
But some of us see an agenda where AM is concerned.
Let's face it, if anyone wanted to they could point to areas which need improving all over the pitch.
Look at some of the keepers who have played against us, I don't recall any being particularly stand-out better than Muric.

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Re: Muric

Post by taio » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:03 pm
This is of course correct.
But some of us see an agenda where AM is concerned.
Let's face it, if anyone wanted to they could point to areas which need improving all over the pitch.
Look at some of the keepers who have played against us, I don't recall any being particularly stand-out better than Muric.
I don't know about others but I have no agenda.

Of course all players have areas that can be improved but this thread is about Muric.

I also don't see any better keepers right now in this league.
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Re: Muric

Post by HistoricalClaret » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:03 pm
This is of course correct.
But some of us see an agenda where AM is concerned.
Let's face it, if anyone wanted to they could point to areas which need improving all over the pitch.
Look at some of the keepers who have played against us, I don't recall any being particularly stand-out better than Muric.
can we also note that Teemu Pukki one of the best strikers in the league stated the best keeper he has played against in the league was "The Burnley Keeper, Muric" and he referenced murics late wonder save in that norwich game as one of the reasons why.
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Re: Muric

Post by taio » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:20 pm

HistoricalClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:08 pm
can we also note that Teemu Pukki one of the best strikers in the league stated the best keeper he has played against in the league was "The Burnley Keeper, Muric" and he referenced murics late wonder save in that norwich game as one of the reasons why.
One of Muric's best games for us against Norwich. Excellent match winning save and him and Cork we our best players that game. So no surprise he said that because presumably he was judging on that game. But from a broader viewpoint I haven't seen better in this league.

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Re: Muric

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:11 am

He can clearly improve but look how much he has in 6 months, I'll repeat what I said earlier - we will sell him for a lot of money in the future

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Re: Muric

Post by Clive 1960 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:02 am

For me he as to command is six yard box a lot better than he does for a big guy he seems rooted to is line and our defence isn't the biggest so that's why you need him to take the pressure of from set pieces , he's still young and he will get better I hope because in the premiership you have to be on your toes.

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Re: Muric

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:38 am

https://twitter.com/kamhass_/status/161 ... xmR0CK4AjQ

Someone has made a highlights reel of his display the other night. Even better than I recall. Enjoy.

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Re: Muric

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:49 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:38 am
https://twitter.com/kamhass_/status/161 ... xmR0CK4AjQ

Someone has made a highlights reel of his display the other night. Even better than I recall. Enjoy.
Wonderous when you put it all together like that.

I do think that’s missing a great move in the corner first half though, which I thought was the best of the lot.

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Re: Muric

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:50 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:38 am
https://twitter.com/kamhass_/status/161 ... xmR0CK4AjQ

Someone has made a highlights reel of his display the other night. Even better than I recall. Enjoy.
Some of those are absolutely outrageous. Incredible stuff.

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Re: Muric

Post by KefkaClaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:53 am

That pass to Zaroury at 28 seconds is incredible.

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Re: Muric

Post by Ric_C » Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:28 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:53 am
That pass to Zaroury at 28 seconds is incredible.
World class that one.

95% pass completion apparently, with WBAs keeper having 54%

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Re: Muric

Post by helmclaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:01 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:38 am
https://twitter.com/kamhass_/status/161 ... xmR0CK4AjQ

Someone has made a highlights reel of his display the other night. Even better than I recall. Enjoy.
He’s a special player for sure.

World class that.

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Re: Muric

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:11 pm

He really is excellent with the ball at his feet.

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Re: Muric

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:14 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:38 am
https://twitter.com/kamhass_/status/161 ... xmR0CK4AjQ

Someone has made a highlights reel of his display the other night. Even better than I recall. Enjoy.
Superb

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Re: Muric

Post by Croydon Claret » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:15 pm

Muric has way more positives than negatives.

We couldn't play the way we do without him. And playing the way we do has made us the top scoring team in all professional divisions and given us an 18 point gap

I'll forgive his odd mistake 👍

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Re: Muric

Post by Papabendi » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:26 pm

What’s notable is how advanced he is on the pitch second half. We were essentially playing with 11 outfield players at times meaning we had an extra outfield player.

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Re: Muric

Post by BobbyBoucher » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:31 pm

I don’t know if it has already been mentioned but on one of the West Brom boards one of my favourite quotes was something like “when you play franz beckenbauer in the nets then you know you are on another level” :D
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Re: Muric

Post by Leisure » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:50 pm

MDWat wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:51 pm
Got away with murder on the disallowed goal. I need to see the first one back but the header was 6 yards out. Where is he?

His distribution is mega, a huge part of how we play, but as a general goalkeeper he’s very hit and miss.
Any comments on Ramsdale trying to get to a cross into the 6 yard box?

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Re: Muric

Post by Greenmile » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:56 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:26 pm
What’s notable is how advanced he is on the pitch second half. We were essentially playing with 11 outfield players at times meaning we had an extra outfield player.
Yep. Loved it when he received a short pass in the opposition half. How often do you see that from a ‘keeper?

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