January transfer window rumours.

[Steddyman]

Nixon is saying its a buy

If it is a loan with an OBLIGATION to buy in the summer, then it IS a buy isn't it?

It isn't an OPTION to buy. We are just being clever with the books on when we pay for it.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Regarding all these theories on parachute payments. I believe you are all jumping to conclusions.

Brilliant

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We aren't on parachute payments

We will get parachute payments for this season.
Assuming we go back up this season, the payments for the following seasons are redistributed between PL clubs I think it is.

[Carwin261]

If we run out of money We Canopay for anyone else..

[Goody1975]

No idea how legit this is but they are quoting Mike Mcgrath

It's just the quote from his article in The Telegraph from this morning.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... l-obafemi/

[PictoPirate]

I appreciate we don't need him anymore, but it looks like Semenyo is off to Ballmouth for a medical after a fee of around £9 mill (plus add-ons) was agreed upon according to SSN. Seems cheap unless it's huge add-ons.

Semenyo set for Bournemouth medical
Bristol City striker Antoine Semenyo is heading for his Bournemouth medical after the two clubs agreed a deal.
Bournemouth will pay £9m plus add-ons for the Ghana striker who has scored eight goals in all competitions this season for Bristol City.
Personal terms are not thought to be a problem.
Bournemouth had two bids rejected last week by Bristol City but have got their man at the third time of asking despite late interest from Crystal Palace, who remain interested in the player.

[Cleveleys_claret]

We will get parachute payments for this season.
Assuming we go back up this season, the payments for the following seasons are redistributed between PL clubs I think it is.

It is split between the Championship clubs, 99% sure on this, why a lot of clubs are quite happy for newly relegated clubs to be promoted again

[IWOODLOVETT]

Really can't imagine Chelsea seeing Maatsen as a regular starter, and if Southampton wanted Tella they would have surely recalled him by now given their league position.
Dervisoglu won't be recalled, we'll simply return him since he will have been replaced by Foster and Obafemi.
Signing the 2 centre backs does however strengthen our hand when negotiating for Beyer and THB, since we can walk away.

Trouble is these loan players have been in the “shop window” for a full season and will have attracted serious interest from several other clubs (not just their parent clubs) and even if we are interested we may be outbid for the four regular starters.

[Chester Perry]

It is split between the Championship clubs, 99% sure on this, why a lot of clubs are quite happy for newly relegated clubs to be promoted again

no very definitely split between the Premier League 20 in the season they are due - it is a major issue that Rick Parry has been arguing about for quite some time - in the Dyche Premier League years we benefitted every season

[agreenwood]

So refreshing to get a debate about club finances on here.

It’s a topic so often overlooked.

[ElectroClaret]

Trouble is these loan players have been in the “shop window” for a full season and will have attracted serious interest from several other clubs (not just their parent clubs) and even if we are interested we may be outbid for the four regular starters.

True, but that's always a downside with loanees.
Can't be helped, but hopefully they'll have developed a sort of bond with the club and their fellow players that will cause them to pick us if the figures add up.

[RVclaret]

Andy Jones has confirmed Obafemi deal is a loan with an obligation to buy in the summer, including a promotion ‘bonus’. Medical today, announcement either tonight/tomorrow morning?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I appreciate we don't need him anymore, but it looks like Semenyo is off to Ballmouth for a medical after a fee of around £9 mill (plus add-ons) was agreed upon according to SSN. Seems cheap unless it's huge add-ons.

Semenyo set for Bournemouth medical
Bristol City striker Antoine Semenyo is heading for his Bournemouth medical after the two clubs agreed a deal.
Bournemouth will pay £9m plus add-ons for the Ghana striker who has scored eight goals in all competitions this season for Bristol City.
Personal terms are not thought to be a problem.
Bournemouth had two bids rejected last week by Bristol City but have got their man at the third time of asking despite late interest from Crystal Palace, who remain interested in the player.

18 mths left on his contract at Bristol, probably why he's so cheap.

[RVclaret]

https://twitter.com/ryantaylorsport/sta ... vkcgPl6VxA

PSV still keen on CJ Egan-Riley

[2 Bee Holed]

Regarding all these theories on parachute payments. I believe you are all jumping to conclusions.

Surely we could just pull a few strings?

[Granny WeatherWax]

I wonder if there is an obligation, it’s linked to us getting promoted.

[Chester Perry]

Andy Jones has confirmed Obafemi deal is a loan with an obligation to buy in the summer, including a promotion ‘bonus’. Medical today, announcement either tonight/tomorrow morning?

These promotion bonuses are really starting to add up aren't they, you would think all the players signed this season would have them in the transfer contracts - particularly when you consider the players will be getting them too

last time promotion bonuses were circa £13m I think - I am not sure if that include conditional transfer payments as well - inclined to think not but could be wrong

[Granny WeatherWax]

If it is a loan with an OBLIGATION to buy in the summer, then it IS a buy isn't it?

It isn't an OPTION to buy. We are just being clever with the books on when we pay for it.

Depends what the obligation is linked too, if anything.

[nil_desperandum]

Trouble is these loan players have been in the “shop window” for a full season and will have attracted serious interest from several other clubs (not just their parent clubs) and even if we are interested we may be outbid for the four regular starters.

That is obviously a potential issue, but given that Burnley has been such a "happy place" I would expect Tella, Beyer, and Maatsen to be pushing to sign for us, and they won't necessarily agree to go to other PL clubs where they might not get the same game time.
(I doubt that any Championship club would be attractive to them, even if they could outbid us, which (e.g.) a relegated team might be able to do)
Re: THB, I don't think City will sell him anyway, but I can definitely see them extending the loan period to us to give him PL experience.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

[jojomk1]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

No

[Chester Perry]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

The question may be is there an opportunity to make a reasonable profit on him in a relatively short period

[jojomk1]

Regarding all these theories on parachute payments. I believe you are all jumping to conclusions.

Would rather we baled out of the Obafemi deal

[HistoricalClaret]

Would rather we baled out of the Obafemi deal

Why for 3 million he is a steal we have the money and the guys got an almost guaranteed profit margin we'd be idiots to not buy

[Flying Without Ings]

Probably not even finished his medical yet and some fans already writing him off

[Stproc]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

Nobody knows, but our management probably think he is.

[NewClaret]

The question may be is there an opportunity to make a reasonable profit on him in a relatively short period

To be honest CP, I can’t see any club outside of the Prem paying much more than the reported ~£4m fee if he had a good run at this level (although I suppose we have, so maybe a demoted team).

I think this is a signing for the PL personally.

[Vegas Claret]

I think this guy writes for the Express

[NewClaret]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

Everyone will have their own opinion, but mine is “quite possibly”.

Could name several players that weren’t prolific or settled at 22, but have hit big goal tallies in the Prem. VK obviously thinks that’s achievable for him.

I’m more excited about this signing than Foster, to be honest. He just looks more rapid (maybe acceleration) and a more accomplished finisher to me, but I’ve not seen much of either.

[warksclaret]

To be having doubts about Obafemi before he has kicked a ball for us, is seriously doubting the abilities of Kompany & Bellamy in identifying a suitable prospect for our club. My trust is with these two, particularly as the interest has been there since the last window

[ArmchairDetective]

Didn't we manage to get almost £5M for a near 30 year old Nakhi Wells?

No doubt that spending £3M on 22 year old Obafemi is a decent investment regardless of whether he ends up being Premier League standard or in resale value.

[IWOODLOVETT]

The question may be is there an opportunity to make a reasonable profit on him in a relatively short period

This loan to buy deal is a very shrewd move.
1. We get a good look at the player until the end of the season to assess the alleged attitude issues.
2. We preserve our transfer funds for a potential last minute bargain.
3. We can recover our costs or make a profit in the summer if the player doesn’t fit.
4. We can off-load one of our high-earning senior players.

[ArmchairDetective]

I think this guy writes for the Express

A loan to PSV would seem a great move for him right now. Think it'd be a shame to agree a fairly low option to buy without seeing much of him yet, particularly if he goes there and really kicks on. Must have something about him for VK to bring him from City.

[Roosterbooster]

He just looks more rapid

Scarily quick. He'd beat Tella over 30yds with time for a brew
Well worth having as an option I'd say

[ArmchairDetective]

To clarify, the post above refers to CJER, not the guy that writes for the Express.

[claretspice]

Everyone will have their own opinion, but mine is “quite possibly”.

Could name several players that weren’t prolific or settled at 22, but have hit big goal tallies in the Prem. VK obviously thinks that’s achievable for him.

I’m more excited about this signing than Foster, to be honest. He just looks more rapid (maybe acceleration) and a more accomplished finisher to me, but I’ve not seen much of either.

Not going to compare Obafemi to Foster in terms of potential, but there's no question that Obafemi is very, very quick - certainly for this level and probably at the level above too. That will always give him a chance - and it's also very clear that Kompany likes the idea of "impact subs" so it'd be no surprise if that's a role he's got Obafemi in mind for.

Obafemi also strikes me as someone who makes good runs in behind. That makes him an interesting comparison to Tella but less so Benson, who has generally showed his pace whilst carrying the ball having picked it up deep. All the clips I've seen of Foster are similar - he runs at defenders rather than off them, and so as a central striker it's a different string to our bow.

[Vegas Claret]

we've been screaming out for pace since Andre left, we may well now have the quickest front line in Championship history

[Firthy]

Loan deal for Obefami could be ideal. He'll have a point to prove, he'll know we are virtually certain of promotion and will want to play in the Premier League. You would think that if and when he gets his chance he'll be trying as hard as he can to make it permanent. No brainer for a player we were prepared to buy in the summer.

[Colburn_Claret]

Penny for Scott Twines thoughts right now. Gets his chance, scores a worldie... and then we sign two more strikers

Completely different kind of player, and will play a completely different role. I think Twine would suit the role Brownhill is playing behind, or off the shoulder of the main striker. Which would be hard on Brownhill, but I also think Josh would suit that deeper role in centre mid, so it should be win, win.

[RVclaret]

Loan deal for Obefami could be ideal. He'll have a point to prove, he'll know we are virtually certain of promotion and will want to play in the Premier League. You would think that if and when he gets his chance he'll be trying as hard as he can to make it permanent. No brainer for a player we were prepared to buy in the summer.

It’s an obligation to buy.

[Colburn_Claret]

I think we need to remember it's 9 subs in the Premier League.

It goes without saying, some people are not going to be making the bench. If we assume that BPF will obviously be on there, and that Ekdal/Taylor are going to either be the starting defender or bench option whilst THB is injured, and that Vitinho will be on there with Roberts starting - we basically have to choose 3 starting and four subs out of:

Bastien, Brownhill, Gudmundsson, Tella, Churlinov, Benson, Zaroury, Twine, Rodriguez, Barnes, Obafemi and Foster.

Choosing seven out of that will leave some disappointed each week, but that becomes 9 if we go up. I think we're making moves to build the squad he wants for next season.

If Twine starts and does well at Ipswich, he is probably then in the box seat to start against Norwich whilst Cork is suspended. He could be well in the picture in that 10 position so I wouldn't worry.

There's also the tempo and effort VK wants from the players. Bar the keeper and CBs, I would expect most players to be starting 30 out of the 42 games next season, max. Very much like City do. We will need a big squad, but also lots of quality on the bench.

[quoonbeatz]

Laugh all you want but you need to get your facts right before you laugh

My facts are bang on.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Probably not even finished his medical yet and some fans already writing him off

*Pretends to be shocked*

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/2-3-p ... fer-radar/

[NewClaret]

Scarily quick. He'd beat Tella over 30yds with time for a brew
Well worth having as an option I'd say

Is there a video of that?

I think at any level if you are quick and can finish you have a decent chance. Even the best defenders in the world struggle to defend raw pace and acceleration.

[Colburn_Claret]

Is Obafemi really up to Premier League standard?

He's 22 and far too young to judge that he isn't. Compare him to some of "our" 22 year olds.....he's miles ahead of them.
With good coaching, and the right attitude he could become a real star. Either way £3 mill is a snip.

[NewClaret]

It’s an obligation to buy.

Potentially though: obligation if promoted, option if not? Maybe also certain clauses in relation to any disciplinary issues?

[northeastclaret]

Why will Burnley have preferred a loan for now if they have to buy in the summer.

Swansea will need money to get a replacement, so surely we can’t defer much more than if it was a buy now, it’s puzzling?

[Firthy]

It’s an obligation to buy.

Surely it's an option to buy. Pointless having a loan if you're obligated to buy. Might as well just buy him in the first place.

[RVclaret]

Surely it's an option to buy. Pointless having a loan if you're obligated to buy. Might as well just buy him in the first place.

Everyone has reported its an obligation to buy.

It’s likely because perhaps 1. We spent more than we thought we would on Foster and don’t have the cash flow or 2. We still have another target in mind we need the cash for.