Southampton relegated

[Hipper]

Didn’t they recently get charged by the Premier League? We haven’t heard the last of this.

Now, there is funny, and then there is really, really, funny.

What would be really really funny is if Everton go down, we bounce back up, yet still successfully sue them for huge amounts of money if this is linked to their FFP issues. The legal case won’t have changed much by this season’s events, just the size of financial impact we experienced.

I know its unlikely, but it is a nice warm feeling just imagining it and Everton’s reaction

Have we really lost money by being relegated? Or lost anything else apart from Premier League status for one season?

Looking at it now, relegation has had real benefits for the club, and maybe financial ones too?

Therefore what exactly can we sue Everton for?

[IrkthePurists]

Can't see Tella wanting to play Championship football. Surely Southampton won't want to keep a player who wants away. The only problem, which has been mentioned before, is the price. Fingers crossed we can afford him.

£10m for Pope anyone? Hopefully the fire sale prices that we had to accept last year on relegation apply to Southampton as well.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

£10m for Pope anyone? Hopefully the fire sale prices that we had to accept last year on relegation apply to Southampton as well.

Tella has a longer contract than Pope did

[agreenwood]

Southampton’s owner is a billionaire and not averse to spending cash. They won’t need to sell Tella, so it’ll be up to him to force their hand if he wants to join us.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Tella has a longer contract than Pope did

Pope was a proven PL player and England International though, Nathan Tella was superb in the Championship but still to do it in the top league.

[IrkthePurists]

How about this as ideal scenario Everton stay up but then get docked 10 pts next season for ffp irregularities. Leeds and Leicester down this season

I think I’m right in saying the EFL won’t force a points deduction for misdemeanours carried out in the PL, and vice versa. QPR got promoted breaking FFP then eventually got clobbered when they were relegated again.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Have we really lost money by being relegated? Or lost anything else apart from Premier League status for one season?

Looking at it now, relegation has had real benefits for the club, and maybe financial ones too?

Therefore what exactly can we sue Everton for?

I think financially it’s had bad effects and positive effects.

Positives:
Cleared out the deadwood on high wages
Bought a young squad with high sell on potential.

Negatives:
We have only paid off a small amount of the debt and that debt is likely to double this summer when we have to purchase premier league talent.


Overall I suspect financially it about balances out. The biggest issue pace and VK will have long term is trying to be successful with debt hanging over the club.

Ironically that success will have to come from the Southampton model of the last 6-8 years. Sell a top player every year and replace with an unknown.

[clarethomer]

Pope was a proven PL player and England International though, Nathan Tella was superb in the Championship but still to do it in the top league.

Pope was not sold at full market value.

It was hardly a fire sale price though. I’m sure it was reported that we didn’t want to stand in his way for his chances of representing England at the WC.

The value we got was perhaps not the maximum but one which worked for both player and club as I recall.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Pope was not sold at full market value.

It was hardly a fire sale price though. I’m sure it was reported that we didn’t want to stand in his way for his chances of representing England at the WC.

The value we got was perhaps not the maximum but one which worked for both player and club as I recall.

Pope sold for one of the highest fees in premier league history for a keeper over 30.

We got market value

[Petersa]

All that said I have no doubts that the PL will do all in their power to ensure that Forest are at least one of the ones to go. Watch out for dodgy VAR and reffing decisions in the final games.

Not sure about Forest as they at times have been media darlings this season.
What I find bemusing is that the EFL have stated that VAR will be used in all play-off finals this year. After the shambles of VAR at last years Forest Huddersfield match I do wonder if the finals results are already decided!

[CrosspoolClarets]

Nearly £50m of that 22/23 spend was on 4 Man Coty youngsters. Others from other clubs were similar. Clearly that hasn’t worked.

When we look at our team this team we have seen the impact of good coaching. Will Southampton have that? More likely they will go for a name who has got teams up before, names like that often want experience not youth. It’s very hard to see them picking a Kompany type. We were an anomaly in that regard and if they did do what we did it will probably take the 2-3 years we expected it to take us.

So I can see why young players like Tella would want to go. His wages will be in that £10k-£20k per week bracket, most young players don’t earn huge amounts (relative to players with pedigree). In the PL we would surely increase that wage as well as giving him a chance to break through properly. Stay at Southampton and he would be 25 minimum and maybe 26 before getting a chance in the PL which will limit his career path significantly.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Have we really lost money by being relegated? Or lost anything else apart from Premier League status for one season?

Looking at it now, relegation has had real benefits for the club, and maybe financial ones too?

Therefore what exactly can we sue Everton for?

Lawyers would see that very differently. The impact on turnover is the biggest difference and that is in the many tens of millions, then there are balance sheet issues like selling players for less than they are worth and renegotiating loans etc.

Put it this way, the values are so huge even on being repromoted that the club ‘may’ choose to have experts pursuing this while the football side of the club ticks on as normal. As I said yesterday, unlikely, but funny to imagine, and I can see the legal and financial logic.

[Jakubclaret]

Pope sold for one of the highest fees in premier league history for a keeper over 30.

We got market value

I wouldn't say market value, the price reflected the fact that competition for him wasn't there everybody else had goalkeepers they was happy with & Newcastle were the only forthcoming club who pledged any real interest, put it this way do you think he would have gone for the same amount had Aston villa & Brighton & Tottenham etc gone in for him as well as Newcastle? Newcastle had no obstacles when taking him it was so easy for them & he wanted to go.

[mick1882@]

Everton and Leeds to follow them down please

[clarethomer]

Pope sold for one of the highest fees in premier league history for a keeper over 30.

We got market value

Agree - we did get an amount that would be considered well within the range of market value - hence why I don't think we sold at fire sale prices.

However, we didn't hold out for the biggest fee we may have otherwise got because of the agreement in place with the player etc. The deal was probably more than fair in terms of that lens.

[Suratclaret]

I really don’t understand what some club owners think can be achieved by changing managers/coaches every few months. Southampton are a case in point. Ted Bates must be spinning in his grave.