Ashes Thread 2023

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:40 am

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:35 am
Genuine question here. But could the declaration have the weather forecast in mind? Overcast conditions today so a good day to get the Aussies batting, as well as the potential for rain Sunday Monday?

I thought that. But wouldn't it have made more sense to let root and Robinson smash it out, and go in first thing this morning to be certain what the weather was doing. Could have declared before play started if the weather looked gloomy enough I think

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:43 am

Vanders1994 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:01 am
Overcast conditions all day today, declaration does look to have been based on weather conditions and that's why jimmy was held back last night

I doubt that bowling 2 overs last night would have any impact on his potential performance today.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:56 am

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:40 am
I thought that. But wouldn't it have made more sense to let root and Robinson smash it out, and go in first thing this morning to be certain what the weather was doing. Could have declared before play started if the weather looked gloomy enough I think

I agree, 400+ would have also had an extra psychological effect imo, the aussies will be up for it this morning, had we have got to 450 their mindset would have changed to avoid defeat rather than as it stands they will still think they can win from here, I think it's that close with 393 on the board.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:24 am

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:56 am
I agree, 400+ would have also had an extra psychological effect imo, the aussies will be up for it this morning, had we have got to 450 their mindset would have changed to avoid defeat rather than as it stands they will still think they can win from here, I think it's that close with 393 on the board.

Often a team trying to win is easier to beat than one settling for a draw.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:29 am

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:43 am
I doubt that bowling 2 overs last night would have any impact on his potential performance today.

Broad bowled because he gets Warner out quite often.

Robinson bowled because he seams it away from left handers.

They just didn't bowl as well as we would like. Robinson nearly got Khawaja's edge, but that should have been repeated 8 times or so.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:32 am

Declaring was a big risk but test cricket can be boring when it just ends up two teams playing out a draw, trying to avoid defeat. This has livened things up so I’m all for it.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:39 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:29 am
Broad bowled because he gets Warner out quite often.

Robinson bowled because he seams it away from left handers.

They just didn't bowl as well as we would like. Robinson nearly got Khawaja's edge, but that should have been repeated 8 times or so.

No problem with that argument, I was responding to a poster who was suggesting that Anderson didn't bowl because he was being "saved" for today.
(As if 2 overs would have taken it out of him).

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:29 am

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:39 am
No problem with that argument, I was responding to a poster who was suggesting that Anderson didn't bowl because he was being "saved" for today.
(As if 2 overs would have taken it out of him).

I'm not trying to argue, just explaining why Stokes will have done what he did.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:33 am

Warner gone

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:34 am

Warner out.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:35 am

There are certain things in life that are certain and Broad getting Warner is one of them

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:36 am

Jimmy will appreciate a RH coming out while it's swinging a bit.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:37 am

Get in

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:37 am

Two down - Labuschagne gone first ball

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:39 am

Good catch from Bairstow, brilliant delivery from Broad.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:43 am

I’ve missed the early action.

Only just switched on as had to get a tyre replaced on Mrs W car

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:48 am

Khawaja getting nicely settled.
Need him gone asap.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:00 pm

The wonderful Captain decisions are still ongoing.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:31 pm

I joined in to get an opinion on yesterdays early declaration. I was busy all day yesterday.
Having read the previous page I’m up to date but still baffled.
This is the ultimate test match series and if you can put your boot on their neck you do. With the quicker scoring rate of modern cricket 400 is not enough, unless you know how bad batting last will be.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:45 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:31 pm
I joined in to get an opinion on yesterdays early declaration. I was busy all day yesterday.
Having read the previous page I’m up to date but still baffled.
This is the ultimate test match series and if you can put your boot on their neck you do. With the quicker scoring rate of modern cricket 400 is not enough, unless you know how bad batting last will be.

The Aussies are scoring at Boycott levels of 2 and half an over.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:47 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:31 pm
I joined in to get an opinion on yesterdays early declaration. I was busy all day yesterday.
Having read the previous page I’m up to date but still baffled.
This is the ultimate test match series and if you can put your boot on their neck you do. With the quicker scoring rate of modern cricket 400 is not enough, unless you know how bad batting last will be.

Had we taken a wicket in those overs at the end last night, people would look on it differently. We have to expect the unexpected with this team now.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:52 pm

Smith given out but a review

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:52 pm

Smith gone 67/3

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:52 pm

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:57 pm

It's as if Stokes knows what he's doing.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:00 pm

It's as if some people just want to argue.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:02 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:57 pm
It's as if Stokes knows what he's doing.

He knows exactly what he’s doing, we’ve seen so often how his decisions have won us test matches. Leave him to it I’d say.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:07 pm

Australia 78/3 at lunch. Very good morning that for us.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:09 pm

Can't take your eyes off this.
Great morning.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:14 pm

Hundred up for Australia.
106-3

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:22 pm

Head and Khawaja settling for Australia, 47 runs from 80 balls partnership, crowd very subdued, wicket not offering much, need a spark to get things going again.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 pm

Got to break these 2 up, very dangerous partnership building, let's have a wicket

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:33 pm

Moeen doing a great job for Australia !!

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:34 pm

I feel we're targeting the wrong one with the short ones, khawaji is the one I think we could tuck up and get the nick off,or one up in the blockhole.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:36 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:33 pm
Moeen doing a great job for Australia !!

Yes, get him off, or at least get back on the boundary if we're going to persist.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:36 pm

Khawaja filling his boots.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:43 pm

Is Jimmy injured ? He didn’t look himself in his first spell

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:43 pm

Partnership broken - Mooen gets Head caught

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:44 pm

Moeen takes Head

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:44 pm

That was needed.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:45 pm

I should get an assist for that wicket lol

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:45 pm

Very much needed!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:48 pm

Bairstow misses a stumping - Green should have gone

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:57 pm

Oh Jimmy Jimmy............. Scene is set

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:58 pm

Bairstow has had a great game then misses a routine stumping.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:58 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:43 pm
Is Jimmy injured ? He didn’t look himself in his first spell

He’s been having issues with his groin, I thought the same… hopefully he can pull through

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:58 pm

That short one to khawaja I was talking about will do.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:10 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:58 pm
He’s been having issues with his groin, I thought the same… hopefully he can pull through

There's a double entendre there if you look hard enough.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:38 pm

Khawaji far too comfortable for me, need to get after him, tuck him up with one or two into his midriff

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:02 pm
He knows exactly what he’s doing, we’ve seen so often how his decisions have won us test matches. Leave him to it I’d say.

I have to say I did originally think the declaration a little premature, but like VK for BFC, Stokes has earned the right to do as he sees fit.