North Macedonia v England

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:55 pm

Offside for sure

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:56 pm

Great officiating. Only a yard offside so they had to make sure.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:57 pm

3 minutes to decide what everyone knew in real time ... VAR what is it good for

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:58 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:57 pm
3 minutes to decide what everyone knew in real time ... VAR what is it good for

Absolutely nothing.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:00 pm

Joy of joys the expert commentary of Dublin then having to listen to Joe Cole.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:03 pm

Dublin said Grealish got in the POMO, position of maximum opportunity ( apparently) grade A plantpot.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:03 pm

TAA , why ?

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:05 pm

Good substitution

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:06 pm

MrTopTier wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:05 pm
Good substitution

Southgate is a genius.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:08 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:06 pm
Southgate is a genius.

Don’t be saying that, you know his biggest fanboy is on here tonight.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:08 pm

This level does seem a step too far for Watkins.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:09 pm

MrTopTier wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:08 pm
Don’t be saying that, you know his biggest fanboy is on here tonight.

I didn't know that. I'll take your word for it

DXS · Post by **DXS** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:10 pm

Does anybody enjoy international football anymore? This is absolutely pathetic just so boring

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:10 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:08 pm
This level does seem a step too far for Watkins.

What level? It's North Macedonia not France!

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:11 pm

The standard of officiating is absolutely terrible.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:11 pm

DXS wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Does anybody enjoy international football anymore? This is absolutely pathetic just so boring

It really isn't. I think the referee has made it interesting.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:11 pm

DXS wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:10 pm
Does anybody enjoy international football anymore? This is absolutely pathetic just so boring

Don’t watch it then

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:12 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:08 pm
This level does seem a step too far for Watkins.

This level is far below what he’s used to.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:12 pm

This ref is quite possibly the worst ref I have ever seen!! He is feckin awful!!!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm

This ref is a comedian.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm

Anyone else wish Dion would shut up!

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm

How the feck is that a free kick??

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:12 pm
This level is far below what he’s used to.

But in his appearances for England so far he's not really shown any good awarness that he's done for Villa.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm
This ref is a comedian.

Except he's not funny... Still it never did Freddie Starr any harm!

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:25 pm

Macedonia playing really well. They know how to kill a game against what might be regarded as quality opposition. Vinny should be watching this and picking up some tips.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:29 pm

Billyblah wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:25 pm
Macedonia playing really well. They know how to kill a game against what might be regarded as quality opposition. Vinny should be watching this and picking up some tips.

Even a lousy international gives you a chance to criticise our manager...
Well done with that.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:30 pm

Maguire is a serial fouler in both boxes ,puts his hands into the face of a defender but Dublin can’t see it.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:32 pm

Not sure what's worse, the Ref or Dion Dublin on comms.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:35 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
Ridiculous, seriously what has football become?

So predictable too, do referees just have no backbone? Every time they’re sent to the screen they fold like a deck chair and change their onfield decision. Are they admitting they’re useless or forced to fold?

File under, " Where did they get this Muppet from ? " ....

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:35 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:18 pm
But in his appearances for England so far he's not really shown any good awarness that he's done for Villa.

Watkins is at his best when there’s some space in behind to exploit. I’d say he’s one of the best in the league at channel running. See Villa’s first against us as an example. Rarely gets that when he plays for England against deep defensive blocks like this.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:36 pm

This England performance is almost as horrific as the referee’s.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:37 pm

In the other group game Ukraine just been denied a definite penalty in the last minute against Italy, a Ukraine winner sends them through and Italy out.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:38 pm

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:32 pm
Not sure what's worse, the Ref or Dion Dublin on comms.

Must admit I can't decide myself.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:39 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:36 pm
This England performance is almost as horrific as the referee’s.

Yep, crap ref or not we have been garbage.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:40 pm

Imagine a scenario where Dion Dublin is on co-comms alongside Jonathan Pearce.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:41 pm

Did I just hear Comms say Kane is dropping "Deeperer" brings back memories of "James Alexander Gordon" and the Footy results ... "Bolton Wanderers" and "Wolverhampton Wanderers"

jos · Post by **jos** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:43 pm

Not great is it.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:40 pm
Imagine a scenario where Dion Dublin is on co-comms alongside Jonathan Pearce.

No, that is just too much

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:47 pm

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:12 pm
This ref is quite possibly the worst ref I have ever seen!! He is feckin awful!!!

Really? I can think of one as bad in the PL.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:48 pm

England are **** to watch

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:52 pm

France must be very worried about meeting us in the Euros.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:01 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:41 pm
I've (and others) have been saying for a good while that VAR should not be explaining anything to a ref. If the VAR thinks a decision is wrong then send a message to the watch that just informs them to check the screen. If the on field ref sees the clear and obvious error within 3 full speed replays then change the decision, if he doesn't then stick to their on field. VAR sucks balls because of the way they are using it

Agreed completely, this planting a seed in the referees head by intentionally showing him a freeze frame FIRST then a slow motion replay is absolute rubbish. Just manipulation at its finest

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:01 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:52 pm
France must be very worried about meeting us in the Euros.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:07 pm

So Burnley aren’t playing for two weeks because England has to play two meaningless games? I know we’re fortunate to be through ages ago but what an absolute boring thing the international break is.

They should just scrap these mid season breaks, condense the league season and play all the qualifying games over a 2-3 week period at the end of the season.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:10 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:07 pm
So Burnley aren’t playing for two weeks because England has to play two meaningless games? I know we’re fortunate to be through ages ago but what an absolute boring thing the international break is.

They should just scrap these mid season breaks, condense the league season and play all the qualifying games over a 2-3 week period at the end of the season.

Agreed.

Have one or two breaks during the season and after it before a condensed leauge as well.

Injury rate would reduce and the intensity would increase - and the qualifying games would then be a spectacle as well.

Right now it's absolutely dross.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:12 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:07 pm
They should just scrap these mid season breaks, condense the league season and play all the qualifying games over a 2-3 week period at the end of the season.

Between 8 and ten games over 2-3 weeks?

Yeah, just what footballers need after a long hard and now condensed season!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:17 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:12 pm
Between 8 and ten games over 2-3 weeks?

Yeah, just what footballers need after a long hard and now condensed season!

There has to be a better way to fit these qualifiers in, low energy players don’t want to get injured.

8 games, 4 weeks. Sounds fine to me.

I’m biased, I just hate how it keeps interrupting the league season, I have little interest in international football, it’s low energy turd across the board.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:20 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:17 pm
There has to be a better way to fit these qualifiers in, low energy players don’t want to get injured.

8 games, 4 weeks. Sounds fine to me.

Oh it's 4 weeks now, is it?

I doubt the players or the FA would want that after a long PL, domestic cups and European club competition season.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:21 pm

No Southgate apologists yet?

“Yeah, but we didn’t lose”

It was north Macedonia ffs

“Yeah, but it was just a learning exercise”

Will Southgate EVER learn anything?

“Yeah, but we showed some character to come from behind”

“Yeah, but we always do well in the tournaments”

We play “frightened football” in tournaments, and set up every game to not lose.

“Yeah, but at least he’s thinking outside the box”

Because he can’t think INSIDE the box…. He’s just guessing!!!

“Yeah, but he’s got us further than anyone else since Sir Alf”

He did, but with what he’s had available to him, he should’ve walked away with silverware. Losing the euro final v THAT Italian side was unforgiveable.

THE most talented young group of players that any England manager has had in my lifetime, and the FA hands them over to this utter clown.

GS and his buffoonery, combined with the FA’s obsession with employing managers based entirely on how many sound bites and cliches they can rattle off, has finished my interest in international football. Southgate’s a fraud, stealing a living from an organisation more concerned about having Mr Clean running the show than someone who could actually get a tune out of this amazing group of young players.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:24 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:20 pm
Oh it's 4 weeks now, is it?

I doubt the players or the FA would want that after a long PL, domestic cups and European club competition season.

The opposite infact.

Having multiple 2 week slots out for internationals makes the season longer and more of a slog!