Kierby hotel sold

[MeeActon1]

Such a shame much of old Burnley was demolished, such as the market hall and surrounding cobbled streets and parts of St James's Street.

The original buildings with their character stonework would now look fantastic if respectfully renovated. So much better than the dreary concrete blocks that we now have.

Replaced in haste in the name of progress to try and move the town on from its heavy industrial past which was possibly a good idea at the time but with hindsight, it wasn't unfortunately.

Anyone who wants to know why town centres were decimated in the name of ‘progress’ in the 1960’s only need to watch Our Friends in the North to understand why we now have these concrete monstrosities.

[CoolClaret]

For those not in Burnley, here a photo of it took a few hours ago.

What a mess, it needs bulldozing soon as possible.

A damn eyesorethat - and the other cladding crap on keirby walk.

Thing is with proper brick even if it get's a bit discoloured it still looks fine - white cladding looks god awful at the best of times, even worse when it has muck on it.

[ChrisG]

Hotel operators such as Hilton, don't generally own their own buildings. You have a developer who builds the actual building, then an operator who runs it, by buying a franchise of X hotel chain. They have a big book of their operating standards that have to be followed, down to the colour of the bog roll.

So it'll be a developer looking to buy the land and redevelop it.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world of it was even stripped back to the shell and core and reclad and fitout. Can't be any worse than it is now.

And it definitely won't be stone unfortunately, unless there the developer is solely a benefactor and has no eye on investor profits.

[Hendrickxz]

Where's the bloke with the allotment shed on the roof going to move to??

[deanothedino]

Just can't see it, the occupancy rates relying on football fans and who actually would opt to stay there when Crow Wood, the Oakes etc are minutes away.

Crow Wood isn’t minutes away in Burnley traffic

[dandeclaret]

The oaks is an absolute hole now.... made the mistake of staying their once. Crow Wood is superb, but can be very pricey. There's a plethora of budget hotels, like Prmier Inn and Travelodge, which are great - but you'd be amazed how many business visitors there are in them when I was staying over regularly. There's only the Holiday Inn at Gannow that's in that mid range / business traveller offering, and that's quite often full. A hampton by HIlton style offering, in the town centre, seems to make plenty of sense - it will probably move business from the travelodge/premier inn hotels.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Multi story car park. Watch it happen

[helmclaret]

Hamptons are a great option for both budget travellers and business people. Like ChrisG says they are franchises and usually privately owned. I was involved with the main Hilton and the Hampton in Bournemouth and the Hampton in Torquay for a few years and the Hampton is a great product, especially the newer ones. Loads of opportunities on the ground floor too for business hubs and other retail units, similar to what you have at the new cinema development in town.

[brexit]

What happens to the continental went there a few years back, decent grub?

[FeedTheArf]

Multi story car park. Watch it happen

I’d take a multi storey over what is there now. Highly doubt it would be given there’s zero demand for a multi storey mind.

[giveusaB]

Heard last week from family members who go to the Queen Vic Brewers fayre regularly that they had been told it was closing to day customers soon and would only be available for premier inn guests.Anybody else heard anything?

[Clovius Boofus]

Heard last week from family members who go to the Queen Vic Brewers fayre regularly that they had been told it was closing to day customers soon and would only be available for premier inn guests.Anybody else heard anything?

There could be some truth in that. Premier Inns are currently reevaluating their restaurant sites.

[AGENT_CLARET]

It'll be The Keirby Kebab Shop

[GetIntoEm]

It's a pretty dreadful offering currently, let's hope they revamp it

[Vintage Claret]

What happens to the continental went there a few years back, decent grub?

The Continentals restaurant in what used to be Swiss Corner closed a while ago but the bistro/cafe Continentals business opposite side of Keirby car park is still open and food is still good there.

[bfcjg]

Crow Wood isn’t minutes away in Burnley traffic

It is as the Crow flys

[Claretforever]

It’s such a shame they had to knock down this building from very close to where the Keirby now stands to put a roundabout it.

[Gordaleman]

Maybe they intend building Burnley's new ground there? After all, if we carry on playing like we did on Sunday it will be big enough for the league we'll be in.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Maybe they intend building Burnley's new ground there? After all, if we carry on playing like we did on Sunday it will be big enough for the league we'll be in.

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[AGENT_CLARET]

It’s such a shame they had to knock down this building from very close to where the Keirby now stands to put a roundabout it.

That building was a rebuild of the original Yorkshire hotel at another location then they knocked it down again it was also in the area of Keirby brewery.

[Dyched]

Multi story car park. Watch it happen

Lot’s of multi stories will become unusable due to the bigger/heavier cars currently being built.

[Jamesy]

They’ve even got a Hampton in Rochdale , which is a true town of death . However as it’s a large ish urban sprawl with almost no hotels in the town centre , it fits their profile . They’re just mid range competitively priced hotels run as franchises. Pity they’ve still got the hideous Motel style signs they use in the US. Though even a glass tower would be an improvement on the old Kierby palace of romance .

Rochdale is indeed a desperate area, or town of death as you so eloquently call it. However, I would say they have retained more good looking Victorian buildings than we have in Burnley. Probably by accident though.

[ClaretsPadiham]

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/business ... nt-4639323

Article just been put on

[Clovius Boofus]

I was just about to post this. Looks like something might be happening. Such a development would be a real boost for our town.

[chipbutty]

[GetIntoEm]

What's a aquatic visitor centre?

A hotel for fish?

[NewClaret]

What's a aquatic visitor centre?

A hotel for fish?

I did think the same!!! Seaworld Burnley?

I jest though, if this guy is legit it’s brilliant news for Burnley.

[BobSykes]

Hm. Have my doubts. Whoever Mr Hagan is this all sounds a little bit pie in the sky. "In discussions with leading franchises...." isn't exactly a "definitely happening"

Anyone remember the chap who wanted to transform Huncoat power station into the Zeri Project..?

[RHansburyEsq]

I did think the same!!! Seaworld Burnley?

I jest though, if this guy is legit it’s brilliant news for Burnley.

IF is the operative word there. I’d be delighted to be proven wrong and we end up with something like crow wood mark II in the centre of town. But sounds like very preliminary plans and a slight whiff of fantasy. Probably end up with travelodge and a big Costa.

[Rowls]

Hmmm. An aquatic centre. Hmmm.

An aquatic centre might work. But more likely, it would be a gimmick that doesn’t work.

Burnley isn’t in need of an aquatic centre, or any gimmicks.

What we need is these ugly buildings tearing down as quickly as possible and replacements made in traditional styles.

We need buildings that reflect the history of the town, built with pride and built to last - from local stone.

[helmclaret]

It’s a prime location for a new state of the art development, something that looks to the future.

[Clovius Boofus]

Anyone remember the chap who wanted to transform Huncoat power station into the Zeri Project..?

Aye, yes. Lots of publicity in the local news, meetings with local authorities etc, but no financial backers.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... lted-away/

[Hapag Lloyd]

What's a aquatic visitor centre?

A hotel for fish?

A fishmongers?

[Clovius Boofus]

from local stone.

This is never going to happen. Like I said before, have you any idea how much Ashlar sandstone costs? Put it this way, it's too prohibitive for a new-build hotel in Burnley centre, or anywhere for that matter in East Lancs. If the council were to somehow insist that new-builds in the town centre were 'local stone', then guess what would be built - sweet FA.

[Rowls]

This is never going to happen. Like I said before, have you any idea how much Ashlar sandstone costs? Put it this way, it's too prohibitive for a new-build hotel in Burnley centre, or anywhere for that matter in East Lancs. If the council were to somehow insist that new-builds in the town centre were 'local stone', then guess what would be built - sweet FA.

It depends who is willing to invest and how much they're willing to invest. But it also depends on ambition and vision.

Two managers specifically have set their sights high at Burnley. Dyche and Stan. They dragged us up with our own boot straps. How? They typically bought in better players. We bought in Steve Davis and Ian Wright instead of Steve Blatherwick and Ian helliwell. We swapped out Dane Richards and Zavon Hines for Michael Kightley and George Boyd.

Players like Michael Kightley were MASSIVE improvement on what had come before. They represented not just an improvement in quality but a giant leap forward in ambition.

Sometimes it needs a Barry Kilby to fund things but Dyche showed us what can be done with only a "competitive" budget and enough ambition and energy.

What Burnley cannot afford is to get it wrong again.

If we get a plastic clad modern building we'll be in exactly the same situation in as little as 10 years when it fades into shabbiness.

That is what Burnley cannot afford.

[Rowls]

Fatalistic, unambitious and defeatist thinking is how we end up with shabby, cheap buildings.

[Clovius Boofus]

Fatalistic, unambitious and defeatist thinking is how we end up with shabby, cheap buildings.

I'm a realist, not a dreamer. Anyway, I won't indulge you again. Best to leave alone so you can carry on building castles in the air, or is it snowmen...

[GetIntoEm]

As long as it's got an aquarium I'm not bothered what it's made out of

[Rowls]

I'm a realist, not a dreamer. Anyway, I won't indulge you again. Best to leave alone so you can carry on building castles in the air, or is it snowmen...

It's fine to disagree. It's not even a problem if you want to try and paint my views as somehow "crazy" or fanciful. "Castles in the air," as you say.

But if the Victorians had a perfectly good stone building on the same spot I rather think it ought not to be beyond our generation to do the same.

And I'm very happy to have the debate publicly and to be on the side saying, "Yes, we can do that again," and "Yes, we *should*do that again." You can be on the side of "managed decline" in favour of cheap buildings with plastic cladding etc.

Many people dismissed the signing if Michael Kightley as "pie in the sky" at the time. If we bought a player like that now it would be deemed unexciting. That's because Dyche shifted expectations.

As for Ian Wright, well that a different story altogether. We can be thankful collectively that people like Stan and Barry Kilby had more ambition and simply got it done.

Neither you or I are going to be funding the building do we're only talking about what we want for the town. If building in local stone is seen as "castles in the sky" then sights have been set so low they're below foundation level. It's hardly as if a local stone building is asking for the tower of Babel, is it?

So given we're both doing nothing other than putting down our thoughts on what might serve the town best, I'm sticking with my idea of a landmark building built from local stone (on solid foundations and definitely not "in the sky"). I hope that whatever plastic clad idea you're dreaming of doesn't make it even as far as the drawing board.

[helmclaret]

The cost of using local stone would be astronomical!

[Rowls]

The cost of using local stone would be astronomical!

Then the budget needs to match it.

Or find very similar stone that's cheaper.

Answer me this.

If the Victorians could do it, why can't we?

[helmclaret]

Are you Jacob Rees Mogg?

[Rowls]

Anothe Dyche-ism springs to mind: "I don't like negative Nellies."

If you start with a lack of ambition, you won't get anywhere. Translated to architecture, it means that if we start with a defeatist attitude we'll end up with yet another cheap plastic clad building.

[Clovius Boofus]

If the Victorians could do it, why can't we?

[Rowls]

Are you Jacob Rees Mogg?

No.

Your turn now.

If the Victorians could do it, why can't we?

[GetIntoEm]

Then the budget needs to match it.

Or find very similar stone that's cheaper.

Answer me this.

If the Victorians could do it, why can't we?

stone was cheap as it was the main building material available, thats why

[Big Vinny K]

If you are going to keep using this strange burnley footballer analogy then please find out how to spell his name correctly.

Or is that the Victorian spelling ?

[Rowls]

That's the problem isn't it? Your lack of ambition has left you with a lack of imagination.

Even to the extent that you presumably believe that things the Victorians achieved "can't" be done today.

You apparently can't put forward even the briefest of arguments as to why it "can't" be done.

I'm sorry for you to have such a mindset. It's extremely limiting.

[Clovius Boofus]

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[Rowls]

stone was cheap as it was the main building material available, thats why

As I've said, we should budget for stone.

How many people would want live in a plastic clad house instead of a stone one simply "because it's cheaper"? Very few.

Same goes for towns. Who wants Burnley to be packed for if cheap plastic clad buildings?

Nobody does really, truth be told. But if defeatism and negativity win the day then that's what we'll end up with.