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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:15 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:59 pm
Terrific article.

Cut, copy, paste and leave a print of it on AP's desk.
How could you not give him the job after reading that!!.
Massive name in global football, mid forties, great experience on and off the pitch as a top class striker, player and club manager... and a bloody decent bloke.
Even mentioning RVN' s name as a potential Burnley FC manager shows massive intent and how far our club is going in the football world.
We have to stick by AP and the board whatever, ( I know making them and their investors money is the name of the game), but I think their passion and commitment is admirable.
He's been a First Team manager for less than a season...

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Re: Next manager

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:11 pm
I see Sky Bet have had a Sunday afternoon shuffle and now have Ruud van Nistelrooy as favourite.
Not just on Sky Bet.

Even Money with William Hill and just 5/4 with Bet Victor according to the Oddschecker site.

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Re: Next manager

Post by It Is What It Is » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:29 pm

:cry:
randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:15 pm
He's been a First Team manager for less than a season...
Yes but he won the Dutch Cup and came runner up in the Eredivisie....not bad in my book.

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:32 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:29 pm
:cry:

Yes but he won the Dutch Cup and came runner up in the Eredivisie....not bad in my book.
I accept that and theres no denying he had a stellar playing career...Im just pointing out that he retired as a player 12 years ago and in that time he has been a first team manager for less than a year.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:33 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:05 pm
From the article:


It wasn’t a question of what football I wanted to play, though. It was more about, with the players we have, what is the best strategy to get the maximum out of the season? We knew we had to sell players for massive amounts of money, and that meant selling our best players in the winter break. So it was mostly about adapting to the situation rather than implementing my own philosophy or style of play, as I had done with Jong PSV and the youth teams.

It was a fantastic process, though, because I learned a lot through analysing the squad, analysing individual players, talking a lot with the coaching staff about how to get the maximum out of the players. Is it the high press, is it a mid-block, is it counter-attacking or sustained attacks in the final third?


Wonder how he would get along with Bellamy and Jackson?
RVN with Bellamy and Jacko as assistants would be my absolute dream scenario.

Brings in fresh ideas and style with some continuity to hopefully help the transition.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Carlos the Great » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:34 pm

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:10 pm
It was a match but you are correct, it wasn’t specifically because of who she was, it was totally random
I guess some parents forgot to tell their kids not to play with matches 😄

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Re: Next manager

Post by Pearcey » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:47 pm

RVN has a history of falling out with people so him and Bellamy would be interesting. :-D.

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Re: Next manager

Post by jos » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:49 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:32 pm
I accept that and theres no denying he had a stellar playing career...Im just pointing out that he retired as a player 12 years ago and in that time he has been a first team manager for less than a year.
I have a question.

Do Managers have to go through licence/certification training before they can apply or is that just a preferred option?

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Re: Next manager

Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:56 pm

Hope there's something in RVN. Seems the type that a lot of our young players might want to stick around to play for. We don't want to go into next season with a squad that's half heartedly playing for the club and manager. I think RVN gets the players and fans on side.
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:57 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:47 pm
RVN has a history of falling out with people so him and Bellamy would be interesting. :-D.
Don’t see Bellamy being at the club if he’s not taken on as manager

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Re: Next manager

Post by Stonehouse » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:02 pm

jos wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:49 pm
I have a question.

Do Managers have to go through licence/certification training before they can apply or is that just a preferred option?
Thought that was only for the Premier League.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Bowclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:11 pm

Think we may have our new Manager in RVN, or indeed I hope we do.

He’s got that buzz about him that NONE of the other linked Managers have.

I’ve got excited all of a sudden.

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Re: Next manager

Post by beddie » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:13 pm

Apparently interviews were held at Manchester Airport last week for the overseas applicants.

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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:17 pm

Odds on now with WH

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:17 pm

Need to have people on Ruud cam for all the Netherlands games at the euros, if he’s not spotted at any he’s ours

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:19 pm

jos wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:49 pm
I have a question.

Do Managers have to go through licence/certification training before they can apply or is that just a preferred option?
Yes is the answer but not the same as in the Premier League. You need a Pro Licence to manage in the Premier League but a UEFA A Licence, the one lower down, is sufficient to manage in the Football League.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:21 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:56 pm
Hope there's something in RVN. Seems the type that a lot of our young players might want to stick around to play for. We don't want to go into next season with a squad that's half heartedly playing for the club and manager. I think RVN gets the players and fans on side.
Agree. Seems the perfect balance to me. Praying there’s something in this.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:22 pm

Do we suspect that Bellamy leaves if a new man comes in?

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Re: Next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:25 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:33 pm
RVN with Bellamy and Jacko as assistants would be my absolute dream scenario.

Brings in fresh ideas and style with some continuity to hopefully help the transition.
If Van Nistelrooy can gel with Bellamy and Jackson he could really hit the ground running. :geek:

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Re: Next manager

Post by beddie » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:27 pm

Would you be happy with OGS?

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:28 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:22 pm
Do we suspect that Bellamy leaves if a new man comes in?
Most managers bring in their own people. When Dyche was sacked, a lot of his back room team went with him, but Kompany came in and replaced even more such as Mark Howard who is also now at Everton.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:29 pm

Why does everyone seem to want to shoehorn Bellamy in with every manager linked?? Any manager that comes in would bring their own assistant with them, Bellamy would then leave. Jackson may well stay on as a coach

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:36 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:27 pm
Would you be happy with OGS?
For whatever reason just wouldn’t excite me as much as RVN.

Nice guy though, great player but not convinced by him as a manager. Maybe too nice. Ruud comes across as less nice and more of a winner.

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Re: Next manager

Post by burnley007 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:48 pm

Tudor links have gone quiet.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:56 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:29 pm
Why does everyone seem to want to shoehorn Bellamy in with every manager linked?? Any manager that comes in would bring their own assistant with them, Bellamy would then leave. Jackson may well stay on as a coach
Because I think most have taken to Bellamy in the way he conducted himself in Kompany’s absence.

Plus I think there’s a lot to be said for continuity since he was part of a team that romped the Championship. He’ll know all the training routines, the patterns they were working on, the players, any issues they’ve had and conversations they’ve taken place, their strengths and weaknesses, the summer transfer plans, etc, etc.

I think you can get a lot of that from Jackson if he stays too, but think there would be a lot of benefits to keeping them both.

That said, I expect he’d want his own team and I’m not sure Bellamy would stay if he were rejected, so it’s unlikely it would just be my preference.

Does anyone know who Ruud has as his back room staff?

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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:57 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:48 pm
Tudor links have gone quiet.
Today is RVN day. Let us enjoy it while it lasts :D
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Re: Next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:14 pm

Manchester United transfer target Jarrad Branthwaite opened up about the impact Ruud Van Nistelrooy had on his rise to the top level of football.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-29359842

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Re: Next manager

Post by burnley007 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:26 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:32 pm
Ruud Van Nistelrooy on coaching:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/ruud-va ... therlands/
I'm convinced. Sounds ideal.
Would be perfect, especially with his contacts.

Get him announced

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Re: Next manager

Post by Steddyman » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:27 pm

RVN sounds like exactly what we need. Like Kompany with a constant desire to learn, but in contrast to Kompany knows that he has to adapt the system to the players he has, not the other way around. Yes please.
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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:30 pm

Seems the coaching magazine article is enough to convince he's the man for the job...

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Re: Next manager

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:34 pm

Seems a number of our fans are also having their heads turned by the big name ex-player.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:34 pm
Seems a number of our fans are also having their heads turned by the big name ex-player.
It’s like the summer of 1997 all over again!
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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:39 pm

Odds on now with sky bet and the next in line is as far back at 6/1

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:34 pm
Seems a number of our fans are also having their heads turned by the big name ex-player.
RVN has achieved more as a manager than what kompany had when he joined Burnley, with RVN it’s less about the fact he’s a big name ex player than what Lampard is or Tudor who has managed 10 clubs in 9 years

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Re: Next manager

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:50 pm

He’s managed a season, won two trophies and finished second in his league. Kompany had managed two seasons and won nothing, finishing 3rd and 4th, that didn’t turn out too badly for us? I am not sure why we must hold Van Nistelrooy to a different standard than Vinny - neither had experience of The Championship.

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:50 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:32 pm
Ruud Van Nistelrooy on coaching:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/ruud-va ... therlands/
Good read this.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:34 pm
Seems a number of our fans are also having their heads turned by the big name ex-player.
We were in 1997 when Chris Waddle turned up

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:00 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:50 pm
He’s managed a season, won two trophies and finished second in his league. Kompany had managed two seasons and won nothing, finishing 3rd and 4th, that didn’t turn out too badly for us? I am not sure why we must hold Van Nistelrooy to a different standard than Vinny - neither had experience of The Championship.
He finished playing 12 years ago...what has he been doing for the other 11 years ? Kompany went straight into management on retirement. To be clear I am not against RVN , I just want people to look at his management CV . If he was a lesser known Dutch coach with such a record would folk be so keen ?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:03 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:00 pm
He finished playing 12 years ago...what has he been doing for the other 11 years ? Kompany went straight into management on retirement. To be clear I am not against RVN , I just want people to look at his management CV . If he was a lesser known Dutch coach with such a record would folk be so keen ?
For three years I heard he tended to his garden, 6 years baking bread and then 3 playing champ manager. Seriously who gives a toss what he was doing prior to management!

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:05 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:03 pm
For three years I heard he tended to his garden, 6 years baking bread and then 3 playing champ manager. Seriously who gives a toss what he was doing prior to management!
Hopefully Mr Pace does, but each to their own 😂

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Re: Next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:11 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:00 pm
He finished playing 12 years ago...what has he been doing for the other 11 years ? Kompany went straight into management on retirement. To be clear I am not against RVN , I just want people to look at his management CV . If he was a lesser known Dutch coach with such a record would folk be so keen ?
Have you looked at his management CV?

He's had about two years where he wasn't playing or involved in management.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_van_Nistelrooy

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Re: Next manager

Post by Longsider » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:20 pm

Just seen Claret Tony coming out of the club shop wearing a Dutch top with RVN on the back. UTC

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Re: Next manager

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:24 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:11 pm
Have you looked at his management CV?

He's had about two years where he wasn't playing or involved in management.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_van_Nistelrooy
As I said earlier, he has been a first team manager for less than a year

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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:54 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:24 pm
As I said earlier, he has been a first team manager for less than a year
Yes but he’s bringing Brent Peters as his assistant.
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:20 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:32 pm
Ruud Van Nistelrooy on coaching:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/ruud-va ... therlands/
Thanks for this, really interesting read. Some of the things I really liked:

- clearly very interested in learning about how the tactical side of the game
- has learned from so many of the worlds best managers - Hiddink, SAF, Pelligrini, Ancelotti and from coming up against Slot
- prioritises winning above philosophy but likes attacking football
- the pride/enjoyment he clearly gets from coaching younger players
- talks about his career being a gradual build through the levels and how that benefited him, perhaps the opposite approach of Kompany

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Re: Next manager

Post by billyhamilton82 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:22 pm

RVN - Managerial record by team and tenure

June 2021 - May 2023

Dutch Championship - Jong PSV 1 June 2021- 18 May 2022 P38 W11 D11 L16 F61 A63 GD−2 28.95%

Dutch Premier League - PSV Eindhoven 19 May 2022- 24 May 2023 P51 W33 D10 L8 F126 A60 GD+66 64.71%

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm

Fabregas has come across really well on BBC in the studio for the England game. Really impressed with his views on the technicalities of the game

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Re: Next manager

Post by Pearcey » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:34 pm

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Maybe something in this.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:37 pm

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm
Fabregas has come across really well on BBC in the studio for the England game. Really impressed with his views on the technicalities of the game
I thought the exact same last night for the Italy game and for tonight’s game, spoke very well, I think it’s to soon now with the club he has shares in getting promoted to Serie A but I think he will have a good management career

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Re: Next manager

Post by Stonehouse » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:39 pm

Would certainly help us to be a high profile team ,might get on the tele as much as DL.

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