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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:27 pm

If it is Parker let’s hope he’s as successful as Coyle and Dyche who on paper where equally pretty uninspiring appointments at the time.
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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:28 pm

All about opinions. I think this squad is even better than the 101 points team.

We've gone from Benson and Zaroury as our main wingers, to Benson, Zaroury, Odobert and Koleosho. And central midfield now has Berge.
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Re: Next manager

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:24 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s the benchmark. Whoever takes over has a squad that is nowhere near what we had.
I think you know I disagree on that so won’t go over old ground, but bar the ageing players (some of whom were offered new contracts and turned us down) I will concede that the loanee’s were a key part of that season - who Kompany identified and convinced to sign. I just don’t see Parker having that pull at all.

Either way, automatic promotion has to be the target.

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:24 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s the benchmark. Whoever takes over has a squad that is nowhere near what we had.
Squad is currently better than what we had.

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Re: Next manager

Post by willsclarets » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:24 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s the benchmark. Whoever takes over has a squad that is nowhere near what we had.
I take the point that Tella, Maatsen and THB were key players. And then we had Barnes and Cork with some experience. But bearing in mind we're a level lower, players like Odobert, Berge, Koleosho Esteve, Ramsay, Amdouni etc are more than capable of making a big impact in the championship. I agree it shouldn't be the benchmark but saying we're nowhere near that squad in terms of ability isn't quite right imo. Most championship teams would cut their metaphorical arms off for our group of players
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Re: Next manager

Post by jos » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:40 pm

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:40 pm

Imagine Koleosho starting for us on the left with Odobert on the right. With Benson and Zaroury as subs.

That would be like having a cheat code.
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Re: Next manager

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:43 pm

I was hoping for a more imaginative, data led appointment than Parker but what will be will be. I will still fully get behind him if it is him. He does have 2 promotions and did get Solanke scoring for fun at this level.

I do wonder what our players will think and whether a few who were on the fence of pushing for a move or staying will start to lean towards the former.

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Re: Next manager

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:24 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s the benchmark. Whoever takes over has a squad that is nowhere near what we had.
You can’t truly believe that surely. What are you basing it on?

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:48 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:43 pm
I was hoping for a more imaginative, data led appointment than Parker but what will be will be. I will still fully get behind him if it is him. He does have 2 promotions and did get Solanke scoring for fun at this level.

I do wonder what our players will think and whether a few who were on the fence of pushing for a move or staying will start to lean towards the former.
Why worry about what players think about? They are under contract, being paid well and if he is the new manager, they know he's taken 2 teams up so they will likely be professional and stick together.

That really isn't something to panic over.
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Re: Next manager

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:48 pm

Struggling to see the problem with a manager who has got two out of two promoted, especially during that weird pandemic period when the pre season odds could have been shook up randomly as players and squads went down like flies.

Parker doesn’t get my pulse racing, particularly playing style, but the top priority is promotion and avoiding a slide into obscurity.
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Re: Next manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:49 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:19 pm
Well, I dunno.

I’ll measure Parker (or whoever it is) not on how they fare in the premier league but how they fare in the championship because that’s the challenge that faces them initially.

101 points, 3 games lost, 87 goals scored is the benchmark. I’m not sure Parker’s more pragmatic style will get anywhere near that kind of result.

If we then go up I’ll judge him against how he fares in the premier league, which I agree is a much lower bar.
Owen Coyle got 76 points in the Championship but was a better manager for Burnley both in terms of points per game and entertainment in the Premier League.

I don’t care how we go up if we go up, it’s how we cope we the Premier League that is important.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:51 pm

One positive about getting Parker is it proves for 128 pages people talking absolute waffle about what they know, brilliant!

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Re: Next manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:52 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:47 pm
You can’t truly believe that surely. What are you basing it on?
Not having players as good as Tella and Maatsen, having a worse defence, not knowing whether Benson and Zaroury will ever be what they were.

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:52 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:51 pm
One positive about getting Parker is it proves for 128 pages people talking absolute waffle about what they know, brilliant!
Watch this... it won't be Parker. :D

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:52 pm

claretskeith wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:52 pm
Watch this... it won't be Parker. :D
Nixon reporting it’s Parker to

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Re: Next manager

Post by Claretnick » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:53 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:48 pm
Struggling to see the problem with a manager who has got two out of two promoted, especially during that weird pandemic period when the pre season odds could have been shook up randomly as players and squads went down like flies.

Parker doesn’t get my pulse racing, particularly playing style, but the top priority is promotion and avoiding a slide into obscurity.
Imo I think obscurity is where Parker will take us, Mr zero personality. His past promotions are no guarantee of a rosy future. Grim and depressing if this is true.....
Oh well what will be, will be.....

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:53 pm

Burnley want Scott Parker to be their new boss - and hope to finalise terms quickly.

The relegated Clarets have had the former Fulham and Bournemouth manager on their list since the day Vincent Kompany left for Bayern Munich.

Now owner Alan Pace has gone through the interview process and insiders reveal Parker has ticked the bosses with promotion on his CV and the right name and image for the American.

Parker has been out of work for some time but his ability to take clubs to promotion after dropping to the Championship has been a massive factor.

Burnley will have to give Parker an attractive offer ana big bonus if he can do it again but the signs are good that they can agree.

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:55 pm

So Nixon is the only one to call it right all along. Interesting that.

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:56 pm

Personally I'm fine if it's Parker. As much as I'd like Bellamy to remain as assistant, there is no way I would entertain him as taking the manager's job. We can't afford to take a random chance on somebody.

Parker with 2 promotions under his belt makes sense.
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:57 pm

Suntan wrote:
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Let’s narrow it down and rule out the Euros 😉
Leave this here

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:58 pm

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:52 pm
Not having players as good as Tella and Maatsen, having a worse defence, not knowing whether Benson and Zaroury will ever be what they were.
How do we know we don’t have players as good in the Championship as those 2? I’d bet Koleosho and Odobert would be even better than Tella at that level personally. Albeit one will leave. Maatsen was a loan and improved a lot with us granted, but this new Brazilian might step up.

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Re: Next manager

Post by louieollie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:59 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:55 pm
So Nixon is the only one to call it right all along. Interesting that.
Nixon threw every name possible at the position so hardly got it right FFS! ..............I'd ask for a refund on the account of his if I were you.
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm

louieollie wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:59 pm
Nixon threw every name possible at the position so hardly got it right FFS! ..............I'd ask for a refund on the account of his if I were you.
Nixon said lampard, Bellamy, Parker and rosenior, all were interviewed.

Certainly more credible than Sacha linking mark robins and Ashley Cole

And hearsay on here regarding managers employed at euros which led to a clamour for the danish manager

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Re: Next manager

Post by burnleymik » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm

Very underwhelming if after all this we end up with Parker.
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Re: Next manager

Post by burnley007 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:02 pm

It can't be Parker.

It really can't be.
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Re: Next manager

Post by louieollie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:03 pm

You could produce a very long list of supposed " in the know" that gave god knows how many names and all had Parker in them. So it's hardly rocket science is it!

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Re: Next manager

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:04 pm

Don’t think Nixon would go public with that unless it was 99% done. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it announced in the morning or in an hour or so if we base it on Nixon floating about for an “Aye”

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Re: Next manager

Post by RHansburyEsq » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:05 pm

I will have some reservations if it is Parker, but that’s the case with pretty much everyone mentioned so far and he at least has a cv which includes decent evidence that he is capable of being able to achieve our first priority i.e. get out of this league. I get the impression some people would prefer someone who has zero experience but was a “big name player”.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:06 pm

louieollie wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:03 pm
You could produce a very long list of supposed " in the know" that gave god knows how many names and all had Parker in them. So it's hardly rocket science is it!
The in the knows weren’t saying it was Parker, we had Ruud being flown over on JJ watts private jet to him not being announced because he had to wait 21 days for a work permit

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Re: Next manager

Post by Pearcey » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:06 pm

I’d take Parker over Bellamy to be honest. He’s an experienced manager for a start. Hopefully it’s sorted quickly so I don’t have to keep piling up my foe list! :-D

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Re: Next manager

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:07 pm

If we are basing promotions to the Premier League as being the main factor in getting the job , then Steve Bruce should get it .
Parker obviously has more attributes, don’t ask me what they are though.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:07 pm

I’ll give him a proper chance if and when he’s officially appointed, but feck me what a disappointment after weeks and weeks of searching and after some of the others being linked.

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Re: Next manager

Post by LongsideClaret » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:07 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm
Nixon said lampard, Bellamy, Parker and rosenior, all were interviewed.

Certainly more credible than Sacha linking mark robins and Ashley Cole

And hearsay on here regarding managers employed at euros which led to a clamour for the danish manager
Those 4 names are correct plus 2 more. One of which has been widely reported.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:07 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:06 pm
The in the knows weren’t saying it was Parker, we had Ruud being flown over on JJ watts private jet to him not being announced because he had to wait 21 days for a work permit
Still time for this to happen :lol:

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:08 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:47 pm
You can’t truly believe that surely. What are you basing it on?
Watching them play.
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:09 pm

Scott Parker

English
Hardworking
Leader
2 promotions on his cv
Won’t be eying up another job first sniff he gets
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Re: Next manager

Post by louieollie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:10 pm

Massively underwhelming for me, shows no ambition whatsoever and really does seem a step backwards. Still it'll appease some on here that were in danger of letting their bitterness for the clubs custodians totally consume them.
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Re: Next manager

Post by ervi34 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:10 pm

louieollie wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:59 pm
Nixon threw every name possible at the position so hardly got it right FFS! ..............I'd ask for a refund on the account of his if I were you.
He was pretty confident it's between Parker and Bellamy.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:10 pm

LongsideClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:07 pm
Those 4 names are correct plus 2 more. One of which has been widely reported.
RVN was widely reported so I wasn’t using him as an example as to why Nixon gets stick.

But some of the other things that have been said have just proved that people have extremely weird hobbies

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:11 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm
Certainly more credible than Sacha linking mark robins and Ashley Cole
I've been messaging Sacha back and forth over social media and to be fair he does seem to guess a lot. He doesn't seem to know what is going on with Burnley.

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:12 pm

claretskeith wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:11 pm
I've been messaging Sacha back and forth over social media and to be fair he does seem to guess a lot. He doesn't seem to know what is going on with Burnley.
Course he doesn’t, when kompamy was around and we looked in the Belgium market it’s only normal he will have had sources, like Nixon does in the UK but now nothing.

Sacha tried to be the first to link us to rosenior but didn’t do his research and linked us to hulls first team coach

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Re: Next manager

Post by louieollie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:14 pm

claretskeith wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:11 pm
I've been messaging Sacha back and forth over social media and to be fair he does seem to guess a lot. He doesn't seem to know what is going on with Burnley.
I suspect very few do but it doesn't stop them charging mugs for Chinese whispers.

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Re: Next manager

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:15 pm

Anyone but parker, please. Rancid bloke.

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretskeith » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:15 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:12 pm
Sacha tried to be the first to link us to rosenior but didn’t do his research and linked us to hulls first team coach
Ha that's true. I replied saying, "Are you sure you don't mean Rosenior?" and he corrected himself.

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Re: Next manager

Post by louieollie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:15 pm

ervi34 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:10 pm
He was pretty confident it's between Parker and Bellamy.
Again it's not rocket science to guess that it could be an out of work manager or someone who's currently the interim at the club in question..

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:15 pm

louieollie wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:14 pm
I suspect very few do but it doesn't stop them charging mugs for Chinese whispers.
People on here acting like they have been sat next to Alan pace for the last month
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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:16 pm

claretskeith wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:15 pm
Ha that's true. I replied saying, "Are you sure you don't mean Rosenior?" and he corrected himself.
He did but it’s just an example of someone not getting the information themselves and researching properly, all to be the Belgium Romano (who has killed the fun of transfer season)

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Re: Next manager

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:08 pm
Watching them play.
IN TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEAGUES
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