Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[NewClaret]

That's a frightening wage bill every month !

Not by historic standards. Our wage bill is way smaller than it used to be and likely will be next year as well with losing Cork, Charlie, BPF and presumably lower deals for JRod & JBG.

[NewClaret]

The modern way with some clubs. Imagine we’ve charged a decent loan fee in addition to wage cover for the likes of Zaroury, Weghorst etc so it’s not all about getting a massive transfer fee down the line in order to turn a profit on players.

Yes, I don’t think it’s as financially damaging as some suggest and personally I’d wait and see what happens this summer before passing judgement.

If we end up moving on a lot of last years premier league players, I think having a stock of championship players who have just been out on loan in this league is a very good strategy. If we end up keeping the premier league players, I’d agree it’s not the best position.

Put it this way, I’d prefer our current situation of too many young, hungry players than our prior relegation where we had too many reaching the end of their careers and some OOC.

The issue for me is not the numbers but the imbalance across positions.

[Tricky Trevor]

Beyers’ biggest problem last season wasn’t defending, although he did make mistakes, it was the number of times he got caught from behind bringing the ball out. It led to some nightmare situations. Primarily down to the difference between PL & Championship strikers this season he will be fantastic again, if he wants to stay.

[Vegas Claret]

Beyer's biggest problem was the Kompany didn't have a scooby doo

[billyhamilton82]

So now all the new manager drama is quietening down lets have a proper look at who stays who goes.

This again is the updated squad list courtesy of CT. It's going to get a bit busy for taxis soon you would have thought.

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

1 James Trafford Goalkeeper 10/10/2002 0 0 2027
2 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 0 0 2027
5 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 0 0 2027
6 CJ Egan-Riley Defender 02/01/2003 0 0 2025
7 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Defender 27/10/1990 0 0 2025
8 Josh Brownhill Midfielder 19/12/1995 0 0 2025
9 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 0 0 2025
10 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 0 0 2027
14 Connor Roberts Defender 23/09/1995 0 0 2025
15 Nathan Redmond Midfielder 06/03/1994 0 0 2025+
16 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 0 0 2027
17 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 0 0 2028
18 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 0 0 2027
19 Anass Zaroury Forward 07/11/2000 0 0 2028
21 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 0 0 2028
22 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 0 0 2027
24 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 0 0 2026
25 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
27 Darko Churlinov Midfielder 11/07/2000 0 0 2026
28 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 0 0 2026
29 Lawrence Vigouroux Goalkeeper 19/11/1993 0 0 2026
30 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 0 0 2027
31 Mike Trésor Midfielder 28/05/1999 0 0 u/k24
33 Maxime Estève Defender 26/05/2002 0 0 u/k24
42 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0 0 2027
44 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
45 Michael Obafemi Forward 06/07/2000 0 0 u/k23
47 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 0 0 2028
49 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 0 0 2026
Samuel Bastien Midfielder 26/09/1996 0 0 2025
Dara Costelloe Midfielder 11/12/2002 0 0 2025
Owen Dodgson Defender 19/03/2003 0 0 2027
Luke McNally Defender 20/09/1999 0 0 2026
Scott Twine Midfielder 14/07/1999 0 0 2026
Wout Weghorst Forward 07/08/1992 0 0 2025
Shurandy Sambo Defender 19/08/2001 0 0 2028

KEEP

1 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 0 0 2027
2 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 0 0 2027
3 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Defender 27/10/1990 0 0 2025
4 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 0 0 2025
5 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 0 0 2027
6 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 0 0 2027
7 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 0 0 2028
8 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 0 0 2027
9 Anass Zaroury Forward 07/11/2000 0 0 2028
10 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 0 0 2028
11 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 0 0 2027
12 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 0 0 2026
13 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
14 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 0 0 2026
15 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 0 0 2027
16 Maxime Estève Defender 26/05/2002 0 0 u/k24
17 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0 0 2027
18 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
19 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 0 0 2028
20 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 0 0 2026
21 Shurandy Sambo Defender 19/08/2001 0 0 2028


OUT

1. Trafford - 25m
2. Vigouroux - 250k
3. Egan Riley - 750k
4. Brownhill - 10m
5. Roberts - 3m
6. Churlinov - 3m
7. Tresor - 10m
8. Obafemi - 3m
9. Bastien - 750k
10. Costelloe - 250k
11. McNally - 3m
12. Twine - 3m
13. Weghorst - 10m
14. Redmond 750k
15. Dodgson - 250k

TOTAL - 73m

I've tried to be realsitic with selling prices although some may seem high?

If we end up selling Berge and Odobert as well we should recoup the £100m that VK spunked last season whilst still keeping a very good squad.

I would keep Amdouni as he will be a different class in the Championship, overplayed by VK in the Prem when he obviously needed a rest.

Hopefully we can sell Tresor as his workrate is lower than mine when I go for the pies at half time but we won't get what we paid for him sadly.

Brownhill can go which will free up space for Ramsay and Massengo to breakthrough.

I wouldn't accept less than 25m for Trafford.

If Weghorst bangs in a couple tomorrow then his value could rocket

[xxmunkyennuixx]

1. Trafford
2. Amdouni
3. Egan Riley
4. Delcroix
5. Roberts
6. Churlinov - loan
7. Tresor - loan
8. Obafemi - loan
9. Bastien
10. Costelloe
11. McNally
12. Twine
13. Weghorst - loan
14. Odobert
15. Ramsey

The squad is massive. Would look to sell Ramsey, Amdouni, Odobert and Delcroix. Either money to be made or I am unconvinced of desire to work hard, the quality, or willingness to be at Burnley even. I think Redmond/Brownhill are worth keeping for experience and Dodgson may be worth a season of giving the odd appearance to see if he can make the step up. I can see another loan for Weghorst, Churlinov, Obafemi and maybe Tresor. If he we get fees for the loans then all good. Would like Mellon to have a squad place to learn off Jay and would love to persuade Berge to stay.

[JarrowClaret]

1. Trafford
2. Amdouni
3. Egan Riley
4. Delcroix
5. Roberts
6. Churlinov - loan
7. Tresor - loan
8. Obafemi - loan
9. Bastien
10. Costelloe
11. McNally
12. Twine
13. Weghorst - loan
14. Odobert
15. Ramsey

The squad is massive. Would look to sell Ramsey, Amdouni, Odobert and Delcroix. Either money to be made or I am unconvinced of desire to work hard, the quality, or willingness to be at Burnley even. I think Redmond/Brownhill are worth keeping for experience and Dodgson may be worth a season of giving the odd appearance to see if he can make the step up. I can see another loan for Weghorst, Churlinov, Obafemi and maybe Tresor. If he we get fees for the loans then all good. Would like Mellon to have a squad place to learn off Jay and would love to persuade Berge to stay.

Ramsey will be fantastic in this division, but even if we wanted to sell he is still injured so wouldn’t go anywhere until at least Jan.

[Woodleyclaret]

If Brownhill goes we need to keep Scott Twine for his free kick delivery or if Scott goes we need a minimum of £6m to turn a profit
Swop for Conroy could work too.

[Guller Bull]

Is Connor a goner? Not yet it seems.

https://www.leedsunited.news/transfers/ ... land-road/

[claretonthecoast1882]

Is Connor a goner? Not yet it seems.

https://www.leedsunited.news/transfers/ ... land-road/

He is in his last year of contract ?

If so anything around that price or higher would seem to be a decent deal, not sure he is as good as some would have you believe.

[Guller Bull]

not sure he is as good as some would have you believe.

I think that works equally well the other way round. Solid agressive player that rarely lets you down.

[warksclaret]

In view of the frightening number of players in the squad that needs to be moved on I suspect our club will not quibble or negotiate too hard when we get offers like this supposed one. I think Connor had a tremendous season in the Championship under VK but was out of favour about a third through the PL season. Hes had some very good games under Dyche too, but one thing he does not have is consistency

[mkmel]

I don't think his stupid sending off did him any favours as I got the impression it quite rightly riled VK

[jedi_master]

I'd be more than happy to have Roberts and Vitinho as our right back options next season. We would then absolutely need to spend fairly sizeably before any Premier League return as neither are what we need at that level. Fantastic in this division though, alternating.

[Selby Claret]

I'd be more than happy to have Roberts and Vitinho as our right back options next season. We would then absolutely need to spend fairly sizeably before any Premier League return as neither are what we need at that level. Fantastic in this division though, alternating.

We've got Sambo too...

[randomclaret2]

I'd be more than happy to have Roberts and Vitinho as our right back options next season. We would then absolutely need to spend fairly sizeably before any Premier League return as neither are what we need at that level. Fantastic in this division though, alternating.

What about Shurandy Sambo ?

[warksclaret]

VK seemed to really like him Vitinho, and will be interesting to see how Scotty values him. Personally I much preferred Roberts

[jedi_master]

We've got Sambo too...

Forgot him!

[claretskeith]

If Brownhill goes we need to keep Scott Twine for his free kick delivery or if Scott goes we need a minimum of £6m to turn a profit

I wouldn't keep a player purely because they can take a decent free kick. No way does he make the starting 11 at the moment so wouldn't be on the pitch to take it anyway.

[TopCat]

I wouldn't keep a player purely because they can take a decent free kick. No way does he make the starting 11 at the moment so wouldn't be on the pitch to take it anyway.

Brownhill and a decent free kick does not go in the same sentence.

[claretskeith]

Brownhill and a decent free kick does not go in the same sentence.

I think the person I was quoting was on about Twine.

[DingleDangle]

All I can say is that, I'm glad Scott Parker will be assessing the players first before making any decisions on any potential departures.

The way you rash armchair managers go on with your guesstimates of selling fees and the players you'll blindly let go just because of a very bad Prem season, we'll have no players left at this rate....

Some of the players that are getting 'slated' like Tresor, Beyer, Amdouni, Trafford etc are I think, good players that deserve a chance to show properly what they can do and this is the time to give them that chance, instead of selling them.

I was very pro VK last season and I would have kept him for this season (just purely because of the brilliant Championship season), but in all honesty, last season was a **** show, especially the way he seemed to handle the players and their playing times and if it's true about the discontent he created behind the scenes in the dressing room etc, then you can't really blame the players performances, wether they were given much of a chance (like Trafford and Amdouni) or not (like Tresor and Beyer). In hindsight and knowing what we know now, VK seems to have been THE problem, not the players.

[ArmchairDetective]

The way you rash armchair managers go on with your guesstimate...

I feel attacked

[willsclarets]

KEEP

1 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 0 0 2027
2 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 0 0 2027
3 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Defender 27/10/1990 0 0 2025
4 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 0 0 2025
5 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 0 0 2027
6 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 0 0 2027
7 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 0 0 2028
8 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 0 0 2027
9 Anass Zaroury Forward 07/11/2000 0 0 2028
10 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 0 0 2028
11 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 0 0 2027
12 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 0 0 2026
13 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
14 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 0 0 2026
15 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 0 0 2027
16 Maxime Estève Defender 26/05/2002 0 0 u/k24
17 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0 0 2027
18 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
19 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 0 0 2028
20 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 0 0 2026
21 Shurandy Sambo Defender 19/08/2001 0 0 2028


OUT

1. Trafford - 25m
2. Vigouroux - 250k
3. Egan Riley - 750k
4. Brownhill - 10m
5. Roberts - 3m
6. Churlinov - 3m
7. Tresor - 10m
8. Obafemi - 3m
9. Bastien - 750k
10. Costelloe - 250k
11. McNally - 3m
12. Twine - 3m
13. Weghorst - 10m
14. Redmond 750k
15. Dodgson - 250k

TOTAL - 73m

I've tried to be realsitic with selling prices although some may seem high?

If we end up selling Berge and Odobert as well we should recoup the £100m that VK spunked last season whilst still keeping a very good squad.

I would keep Amdouni as he will be a different class in the Championship, overplayed by VK in the Prem when he obviously needed a rest.

Hopefully we can sell Tresor as his workrate is lower than mine when I go for the pies at half time but we won't get what we paid for him sadly.

Brownhill can go which will free up space for Ramsay and Massengo to breakthrough.

I wouldn't accept less than 25m for Trafford.

If Weghorst bangs in a couple tomorrow then his value could rocket

Close to my list. But I'd keep tresor and sell o shea and Zaroury. Tresor was awful, but he's a good player who had a horrible season adapting. His value can go up and he can be a suprise package i think. Whereas o shea improved his value last year i think beyers goes up. Him and esteve are potentially the best cb pairing the championship has ever seen.

[DingleDangle]

I feel attacked

You're fine, you're only at armchair detective level yet

[warksclaret]

I am not one who would want to see O'Shea sold unless we get offered silly money. I know he had several indifferent games last year, and who didn't in our team, but he is the biggest "warrior" in our side. Tough tackling, quick and excellent in the air who never gets injured and one of the few vocal players we have on the pitch. At set pieces in the Championship he will be a big threat. One of the very few captain material in the team for me, and with a good championship season and with a good teacher coach, he could become our new Tarks

[Hedontplayforyou]

Pires to be announced with the kit?

[CrosspoolClarets]

I am not one who would want to see O'Shea sold unless we get offered silly money. I know he had several indifferent games last year, and who didn't in our team, but he is the biggest "warrior" in our side. Tough tackling, quick and excellent in the air who never gets injured and one of the few vocal players we have on the pitch. At set pieces in the Championship he will be a big threat. One of the very few captain material in the team for me, and with a good championship season and with a good teacher coach, he could become our new Tarks

There is another factor too.

Parker may not want his centre backs to be as expansive, ranging forward, and O’Shea may fit the bill better than someone like Beyer, though I do like Beyer.

[Lubanski]

Growing up in a 4-4-2 it was always this:

9 10
11 6 8 7
3 4 5 2
1

I bet that looks incredibly complicated to today's younger fans, like a secret code! I was a 2 and rarely crossed the halfway line, played for Nelson Legion and in the 6ts for Fisher More, we won the Cooke cup at Seedhill under floodlights in front of Harry Potts who presented the cup, we had already won the Nelson and Colne league and schools cup, Harry invited the 7 a side team that night to attend trials. I didn't go, i smoked those days lol.

[NewClaret]

I am not one who would want to see O'Shea sold unless we get offered silly money. I know he had several indifferent games last year, and who didn't in our team, but he is the biggest "warrior" in our side. Tough tackling, quick and excellent in the air who never gets injured and one of the few vocal players we have on the pitch. At set pieces in the Championship he will be a big threat. One of the very few captain material in the team for me, and with a good championship season and with a good teacher coach, he could become our new Tarks

Excellent post. I agree with it all.

And to accommodate Beyer I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved in to midfield a la Stones, maybe starting as a sub when we’ve secured games, then growing in to it.

[jojomk1]

And to accommodate Beyer I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved in to midfield a la Stones, maybe starting as a sub when we’ve secured games, then growing in to it.

Just about every time Beyer tried to run out from the back with the ball in previous seasons he would get caught in possession leaving us totally exposed
He is a good CB but...
John Stones he is definitely not

[summitclaret]

Just about every time Beyer tried to run out from the back with the ball in previous seasons he would get caught in possession leaving us totally exposed
He is a good CB but...
John Stones he is definitely not

That not correct, certainly in the Championship.

[warksclaret]

Just about every time Beyer tried to run out from the back with the ball in previous seasons he would get caught in possession leaving us totally exposed
He is a good CB but...
John Stones he is definitely not

John Stones is an almost impossible act to follow, however a good coach will teach Beyer when and not to carry the ball forward, at the same time briefing his other defenders what to do when this happens ie cover in the event of it going wrong.

[Woodleyclaret]

Beyer's cross field passing out wide to Benny and Anass was badly missed in last seasons debacle

[Big Vinny K]

Just about every time Beyer tried to run out from the back with the ball in previous seasons he would get caught in possession leaving us totally exposed

I will never understand why people completely make things up.
Feel free to detail which games Beyer got caught in possession leaving us totally exposed ?

If you were to believe some of the comments on this board you have got to wonder how we had the best defensive record in the league with a left back who could not defend, a centre back who got caught in possession almost very time he ran out from the back with the ball, and a dodgy keeper !!

[Burnley Ace]

Ipswich paying £20m for Delap! That puts prices into context.

[Burnley Ace]

I will never understand why people completely make things up.
Feel free to detail which games Beyer got caught in possession leaving us totally exposed ?

Seriously, you cannot remember any occasion when an eyed was caught in possession whilst trying to bring the ball out? One occasion at the beginning of the season had its own tactical analysis on MoD!!

[Stonehouse]

John Stones is an almost impossible act to follow, however a good coach will teach Beyer when and not to carry the ball forward, at the same time briefing his other defenders what to do when this happens ie cover in the event of it going wrong.

John Stones 4 or 5 years ago was always making mistakes but now he’s one of the best CH’s.

[Big Vinny K]

Seriously, you cannot remember any occasion when an eyed was caught in possession whilst trying to bring the ball out? One occasion at the beginning of the season had its own tactical analysis on MoD!!

We are talking about the championship season and he said just about every time he ran out with the ball he got caught and left us exposed.
Factually that is just not true.

Of course he will have been caught in possession some times - though that does not necessarily mean we will have been left exposed. Beyer’s ability to run out with the ball in his first season was one of the most impressive things about our game and it was a joy to watch. Teams could not cope with it and when we broke the lines with Beyer it led to so many times we had an overload of players which was a massive part of our tactics that year.

[NewClaret]

Ipswich paying £20m for Delap! That puts prices into context.

That is outrageous. Every time I’ve seen him he’s looked ****. He may yet come good but that’s a big fee and risk.

Sort of puts the money you need to spend in the Premier League in to context though.

Also underlines exactly why our best players should not be going for much more than £20m!!!

[Vegas Claret]

That is outrageous. Every time I’ve seen him he’s looked ****. He may yet come good but that’s a big fee and risk.

Sort of puts the money you need to spend in the Premier League in to context though.

Also underlines exactly why our best players should not be going for much more than £20m!!!

and also why they shouldn't be going for any less, 20 for Delap is bonkers

[warksclaret]

That is outrageous. Every time I’ve seen him he’s looked ****. He may yet come good but that’s a big fee and risk.

Sort of puts the money you need to spend in the Premier League in to context though.

Also underlines exactly why our best players should not be going for much more than £20m!!!

It seems a hell of a high fee for Delap, but his former Man City friend Cole Palmer,who was very very much on the edge of the team but rarely playing has been sensational. Eye brows were raised when Chelsea paid £40m plus add ons. McKenna has a reputation of making astute signings and it will be interesting to see how Delap develops under his guidance

[randomclaret2]

Delap hasnt cut it at Championship level let alone the level above

[GetIntoEm]

Strange people wanting Odobert to go. There's enough fat in the squad to trim without resorting to selling our most promising players.

[burnley007]

All I can say is that, I'm glad Scott Parker will be assessing the players first before making any decisions on any potential departures.

The way you rash armchair managers go on with your guesstimates of selling fees and the players you'll blindly let go just because of a very bad Prem season, we'll have no players left at this rate....

Some of the players that are getting 'slated' like Tresor, Beyer, Amdouni, Trafford etc are I think, good players that deserve a chance to show properly what they can do and this is the time to give them that chance, instead of selling them.

I was very pro VK last season and I would have kept him for this season (just purely because of the brilliant Championship season), but in all honesty, last season was a **** show, especially the way he seemed to handle the players and their playing times and if it's true about the discontent he created behind the scenes in the dressing room etc, then you can't really blame the players performances, wether they were given much of a chance (like Trafford and Amdouni) or not (like Tresor and Beyer). In hindsight and knowing what we know now, VK seems to have been THE problem, not the players.

Agree 100%.
Let's see how some of these players perform given a fresh start.

[BigChaCha]

GetIntoEm

Strange people wanting Odobert to go. There's enough fat in the squad to trim without resorting to selling our most promising players.

Yep, bizarre. I was waiting for a commonsense comment like this so thank you, you've given me hope in this board.

[boyyanno]

We are talking about the championship season and he said just about every time he ran out with the ball he got caught and left us exposed.
Factually that is just not true.

Of course he will have been caught in possession some times - though that does not necessarily mean we will have been left exposed. Beyer’s ability to run out with the ball in his first season was one of the most impressive things about our game and it was a joy to watch. Teams could not cope with it and when we broke the lines with Beyer it led to so many times we had an overload of players which was a massive part of our tactics that year.

Completely agree.

[burnley007]

Strange people wanting Odobert to go. There's enough fat in the squad to trim without resorting to selling our most promising players.

Odobert was very good last season in the Premier League, imagine the Championship!!

[Jakubs Tash]

Ipswich seem to be spending all their money on making their team into a very decent championship team.

That could prove to be a problem given the massive gap between the Championship and Premier League.

£25m Hutchinson
Philogene and Greaves £35
Delay £20m

[bumba]

Ipswich seem to be spending all their money on making their team into a very decent championship team.

That could prove to be a problem given the massive gap between the Championship and Premier League.

£25m Hutchinson
Philogene and Greaves £35
Delay £20m

Young players with potential that know the English game. Philogene has been linked to Barca also.
They'll give it a good go but if they go down they'll be in an excellent position to bounce back.