Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Cap]

Still not turned up and I think has an injury. Situation seems a bit of a mess

Even if he's injured, surely he should still report back?

[Holtyclaret]

Did we not pay him last season?

Yes because he fulfilled a role in the squad. But even so his fee would likely cover his salary.

Like Kevin long, would never play much but was needed ‘just in case’.

[Holtyclaret]

Trafford might be off eventually but I can't understand why he isn't back training? He still needs to get fit whether it's to play for us or someone else

I believe he was due back yesterday

[AGENT_CLARET]

How do we know he hasn't reported back, has it been in the news, people making stuff up like normal

[Silkyskills1]

Nominal fee, years wages. Hardly a profit but I don't want to 'split hairs' over this.

[123EasyasBFC]

Did we not pay him last season?

By that argument you wouldn’t class any sale as making profit then.

Fact is we signed him on a free and have sold him for a fee which means profit in the transfer

[Jakubs Tash]

Personally I'd like to see a genuine physical centre forward option like Kieffer Moore, capable of winning the arm wrestle and creating a forward platform. I'm not sure we have that type (Foster is an all-rounder and could be break out but is better facing goal than with his back to it, Jay drops off, Hountondji is going to be raw as hell). Impossible to overstate the importance of Barnes 2 seasons ago.

We'll need another option at left back unless Delcroix is seen as a left back by Parker. Leaving aside goalkeeper, the other area we're a touch short is wide right, oddly enough, because most of our wingers and creative players prefer the left.

A central midfielder is only really needed if and when Berge or Brownhill depart.

Tend to agree about the physical forward. Also, Parker had Mitrovic at Fulham and Solanke at Bournemouth. Not sure we have anyone in that mould currently. Possibly Foster. But can we count on him for a full season? Nobody knows….

[AGENT_CLARET]

Nominal fee, years wages. Hardly a profit but I don't want to 'split hairs' over this.

Not every player is bought to make a profit especially a 3rd choice keeper

[123EasyasBFC]

Depends what you call strong but yes. Numbers obviously need to come down though

Expect Trafford and Odobert to go sooner rather than later. Weghorst will go too whenever that is. McNally off to another champ club on a perm soon enough.

Expect usual suspects may be loaned/sold this summer: Twine, Obafemi, Bastien if we get suitable offers

Berge probably goes at some point aswell and who knows who else may be subject to offers etc

That still leaves us with lots of very good players at this level and obviously there will be incomings as well.

Be interesting to see which club ends up coming in for Odobert, I expected there to be more noise surrounding him

[mdd2]

Depends what you call strong but yes. Numbers obviously need to come down though

Expect Trafford and Odobert to go sooner rather than later. Weghorst will go too whenever that is. McNally off to another champ club on a perm soon enough.

Expect usual suspects may be loaned/sold this summer: Twine, Obafemi, Bastien if we get suitable offers

Berge probably goes at some point aswell and who knows who else may be subject to offers etc

That still leaves us with lots of very good players at this level and obviously there will be incomings as well.

That only gets the squad down to 25
Need more sales or players to be loaned out if we are to add to the squad

[Jakubs Tash]

That only gets the squad down to 25
Need more sales or players to be loaned out if we are to add to the squad

You’ve got think there’s a good chance that Churlinov and Tresor leave.

Then I think there’s a good chance that a right full back leaves. A centre half (or two). Costello and/or Dodgson. Possibly even Brownhill.

[Row x]

Even if he's injured, surely he should still report back?

Unless he's receiving specialist treatment away from the club

[Stockbrokerbelt]

I thought the squad of 25 was only players over 21? Under did not count?

[Colburn_Claret]

I thought the squad of 25 was only players over 21? Under did not count?

It isn't a matter of complying with the rules.
Too large a squad, whatever their age, means players sitting the season out, like Benson and Muric last season. It would make for unrest in the dressing room, and we need a happy squad to compete.

[kaptin1]

Trafford might be off eventually but I can't understand why he isn't back training? He still needs to get fit whether it's to play for us or someone else

He’s still on holiday with Mike Tresor, Lord Lucan and Shergar

[burnley007]

Are we expecting any more incomings? (I would assume another keeper.)

Or just more leaving...

[JarrowClaret]

Are we expecting any more incomings? (I would assume another keeper.)

Or just more leaving...

Has to be based on outgoings now surely i’m certainly not expecting any major incomings apart from if/when Trafford and Berge are due to be sold

[TopCat]

I would have thought Parker would want to make a mark of his own on the team/squad.

[gandhisflipflop]

Has to be based on outgoings now surely i’m certainly not expecting any major incomings apart from if/when Trafford and Berge are due to be sold

I’m still concerned about the lack of depth at left back. Yes we have signed pires, but with the departure of Taylor, we surely cannot start another season with just 1 recognised left back. Vitinho isn’t the answer there either.

[burnley007]

I’m still concerned about the lack of depth at left back. Yes we have signed pires, but with the departure of Taylor, we surely cannot start another season with just 1 recognised left back. Vitinho isn’t the answer there either.

Depends if they think Dodgson is anywhere near ready as a back up?

[brazilianclaret]

I’m still concerned about the lack of depth at left back. Yes we have signed pires, but with the departure of Taylor, we surely cannot start another season with just 1 recognised left back. Vitinho isn’t the answer there either.

In the Premier League Vitinho isn't the answer, but in the Championship he was fine when covering there in the promotion season. Totally different challenges to overcome both defensively and going forward - whilst I wouldn't prefer it he is an option - and if Roberts stays that would leave Roberts/Sambo RB, Pires LB and Vitinho RB/LB so decent cover.

Delcroix also wasn't great in the Premier League at LB but could do a job in the Championship - similar to Jack Stephens for Southampton in the season just gone.

I'd like us to sign another, but they are more than capable options as well as Pires (plus maybe Dodgson as cover depending on how Parker evaluates him)

[jlup1980]

Depends if they think Dodgson is anywhere near ready as a back up?

You'd like to think he's an option. He's spent the last 18 months out on loan, half a season at a time, at progressively higher standards. Six months for Rochdale in League Two, six months with Barnsley in League One and six months with Dundee in the SPL.

He's played consistently during all loans (51 apps in all comps) so he certainly looks like someone the club is building towards our squad. I'd rather give him a try at left back than see Vitinho back there. If we can get money for Roberts, given he's already had one foot out of the door at Leeds, I'd go with Sambo / Vitinho for RB and Pires / Dodgson LB.

[burnley007]

You'd like to think he's an option. He's spent the last 18 months out on loan, half a season at a time, at progressively higher standards. Six months for Rochdale in League Two, six months with Barnsley in League One and six months with Dundee in the SPL.

He's played consistently during all loans (51 apps in all comps) so he certainly looks like someone the club is building towards our squad. I'd rather give him a try at left back than see Vitinho back there. If we can get money for Roberts, given he's already had one foot out of the door at Leeds, I'd go with Sambo / Vitinho for RB and Pires / Dodgson LB.

Sounds reasonable to me

[claretburns]

Villa are throwing a bit of cash about at the moment and Diaby is about to move out to Saudi. They could do worse than bring in Odobert

Rumours that they are replacing Diaby with Joao Felix from Atletico.

[ElectroClaret]

I reckon Pires and Vitinho would be perfectly adequate to cover LB between them in the Championship.

Bit of competition can't be bad.

[Swizzlestick]

Be interesting to see which club ends up coming in for Odobert, I expected there to be more noise surrounding him

I’d be intrigued to see who does come in for him because I didn’t see the same player a lot of others saw last season.

[gandhisflipflop]

I’d be intrigued to see who does come in for him because I didn’t see the same player a lot of others saw last season.

He flatters to deceive.

[morninbob]

This 7 homegrown rule is going to kill us, we are going to have to have some kids on the bench to make the numbers up.

[Jakubs Tash]

This 7 homegrown rule is going to kill us, we are going to have to have some kids on the bench to make the numbers up.

It’s July 24th. Probably best to see how it all pans out before panicking about kids being on the bench….

[Firthy]

This 7 homegrown rule is going to kill us, we are going to have to have some kids on the bench to make the numbers up.

What is classed as a homegrown player?

[Benson]

He flatters to deceive.

He’s 19 years old.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Do we have a Matchday squad of 18 or 20 this season?

[summitclaret]

I’d be intrigued to see who does come in for him because I didn’t see the same player a lot of others saw last season.

He was doing well out wide until our idiot manager played him as a nr 10, instead of playing 3 proper cm. Wilson was less effective and we continued to get overrun in cm, just as we did when Zeki played nr 10. Wilson has massive potential if used properly. Luca has even more.

[gandhisflipflop]

He’s 19 years old.

And? I’m not saying he won’t come good, but at this stage, I think he is over hyped.

[BigChaCha]

I’d be intrigued to see who does come in for him because I didn’t see the same player a lot of others saw last season.

He flatters to deceive

Odobert will be at the bare minimum, worth 40m to 50m in 2 or 3 seasons.

[whiffa]

Seems to be a lot of chatter on here about us selling Odobert and Berge - have there actually been any serious links? Can someone point me in that direction?

Also with Trafford, to my knowledge we refused Newcastle's bid and since then there has been nothing either?

I'd like us to keep all 3, just wondering where all this noise is actually coming from?

[RVclaret]

Seems to be a lot of chatter on here about us selling Odobert and Berge - have there actually been any serious links? Can someone point me in that direction?

Also with Trafford, to my knowledge we refused Newcastle's bid and since then there has been nothing either?

I'd like us to keep all 3, just wondering where all this noise is actually coming from?

Athletic report the other day from Andy Jones named Odobert, Trafford and Berge as 3 that could leave as there is an ‘acceptance 4 first team regulars could leave to play at the highest level’ with Muric considered 1/4. LongsideClaret, accurate with other information, has also mentioned them. As of yet there hasn’t really been any links with Berge and Odobert except Fenerbache being interested in the former.

[whiffa]

Athletic report the other day from Andy Jones named Odobert, Trafford and Berge as 3 that could leave as there is an ‘acceptance 4 first team regulars could leave to play at the highest level’ with Muric considered 1/4. LongsideClaret, accurate with other information, has also mentioned them. As of yet there hasn’t really been any links with Berge and Odobert except Fenerbache being interested in the former.

Thanks for the quick recap, appreciated.

[BigGaz]

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I’d be intrigued to see who does come in for him because I didn’t see the same player a lot of others saw last season.
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I keep saying this. I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe.

Of the 30 odd seasons there's been of the Premier league our last season has us in the top 10 for fewest goals scored and most conceded (in a 38 game season).

We've broken both league and our own records for lack of chances created, amount of chances gifted to opposition, misplaced passes, lack of threat - loads of metrics to mention.

There's absolutely no joy on my part in expressing that but then you have folk telling you this lads worth 30m and that lads gonna be worth 50m and we're gonna have clubs breaking down our door for such and such.

We're not lads. One or two will go sure, but these big bids you seem convinced are coming are not going to be. No one is going to buy Odobert and his 6G/A at what we paid for him much less a huge premium, ditto Amdouni and a few others.

A lot of these players are going to be with us when the market closes because a lot of these players, whilst undeniably having talent also represent a massive financial risk.

[SalouClaret]

I keep saying this. I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe.

Of the 30 odd seasons there's been of the Premier league our last season has us in the top 10 for fewest goals scored and most conceded (in a 38 game season).

We've broken both league and our own records for lack of chances created, amount of chances gifted to opposition, misplaced passes, lack of threat - loads of metrics to mention.

There's absolutely no joy on my part in expressing that but then you have folk telling you this lads worth 30m and that lads gonna be worth 50m and we're gonna have clubs breaking down our door for such and such.

We're not lads. One or two will go sure, but these big bids you seem convinced are coming are not going to be. No one is going to buy Odobert and his 6G/A at what we paid for him much less a huge premium, ditto Amdouni and a few others.

A lot of these players are going to be with us when the market closes because a lot of these players, whilst undeniably having talent also represent a massive financial risk.

If you think we wouldn't make a profit on Odobert if we sold him tomorrow, then I don't know what to tell you... other than you're wrong. He's obviously not worth £50m, but to suggest we'd make a loss on him is absolute nonsense.

[BigGaz]

We will not sell Wilson Odobert in this transfer window at a profit.

Pin that on your wall, stick it in your calendar.

[SalouClaret]

We will not sell Wilson Odobert in this transfer window at a profit.

Pin that on your wall, stick it in your calendar.

[whiffa]

I think if we want to mount a serious promotion campaign, there are four players we have to keep hold of. Or replace with equivalent quality.
Beyer, Cullen, Berge and Odobert. I'd want to keep those four players above any others, despite the potential of players like Luca etc

[KRBFC]

We will not sell Wilson Odobert in this transfer window at a profit.

Pin that on your wall, stick it in your calendar.

What did we pay £8m?

Laughable to suggest he isn’t worth more than that.

[BigGaz]

£20 to the loser's charity of choice says he won't

[SalouClaret]

£20 to the loser's charity of choice says he won't

You really want to bet £20 that we wouldn't get £8m for Odobert?

[BigGaz]

In this window, we will not sell WO at a profit.

12m Euros is the widely reported fee.

My stance is that anyone in their right mind would want to look and see how this talented yet occasionally threatening and lightweight youngster gets on at champ level for 6 months or so first.

[BigGaz]

(and I'll be proven right)

[Selby Claret]

What is classed as a homegrown player?

They have to have been registered with a club (or more than one club) in England or Wales for at least 3 years before turning 21

So unless we sign a player from overseas before their 18th birthday and keep them until 21 (or sell to another English / Welsh club) they will never be homegrown

e.g. Cesc Fabregas, despite being Spanish, was in England from 18-21 and classed as homegrown.

Interestingly, Eric Dier - an England international - was not 'homegrown' when at Spurs as his formative years were spent in Portugal

[ksrclaret]

(and I'll be proven right)

Stop measuring your willy, Gaz, and put it away.

In all politeness, absolutely nobody outside of your own reflection cares one jot whether you're proven right or wrong.

Let's leave this thread for what it's intended for.