Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[BigGaz]

Throw my hat into the ring with

Hannibal Mejbri

It'll get done if they move a little on price. They aren't asking for 20m +, have never, it'd be nothing like that.

Theres some folk within Utd that are annoyed their interest in Berge got out.

The feeling is that they've been made to look like idiots that Fulham have got fed up with their unrealistic asking price for McTominay and so have just targeted his replacement with what they would have happily paid for McT.

Quite amusing but of manoeuvring from Fulham really

[Tricky Trevor]

Isn't he Pires' translator?

Ronaldinhos lad can cover that position.

[fatboy47]

Must be just me that thinks the whole thing is being very well managed.

The only player we'd struggle to replace is Foster..and there's no sign of him going.

The team on Saturday will be as good, if not better, in every position than the one that won the Champ.

[Stproc]

I can now see why Kompany went nuts at JBG.
Seems like another Jelle Vossen where he has used the club to get a move. There is no way this just sprung up overnight.
JBG could have become a club legend this season, but he leaves as a pathetic weasel.

One of the most ridiculous posts on this forum, ever. Congratulations, that’s one hell of an achievement

[123EasyasBFC]

Hannibal is very talented and maybe a perm move somewhere is where he can then kick on

[Tall Paul]

Must be just me that thinks the whole thing is being very well managed.

The only player we'd struggle to replace is Foster..and there's no sign of him going.

The team on Saturday will be as good, if not better, in every position than the one that won the Champ.

It's not just you.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Main thing is we have a bloody massive squad (still), some crap, some average, some good, but we have liquidity to trade. Leeds for example in much bigger pickle. We've started shedding we we really need to. More to leave too obs.

Agree with those saying let's get rid of Trafford to avoid one good sale, like DOS.

Rumoured replacement players are quality - Hannibal and Sarmiento.

The gap is big, and we finished the season quite well last year. We ae coming from a higher base than Sheff and Luton (yes, I know they finished above us).

We are better than Luton and Sheff (see the first game, last season's results against them - 16 v 4 on agg), and the big threat Leeds are in turmoil.

All rational thinking says we go up if we play our cards right. Agree JBG is a loss, and Vits we should keep. DOS I think is the key one, and that does look tough with all the interest, but who knows, maybe he is settled, love his life in Cheshire and wants to bed in and play first team footy at a great club. No inside info there, just hopeful.

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[NewClaret]

So we sell all of our better players, we hopefully get promoted then what? We have to buy a whole new team again to replace the ones leaving now. So we just rebuild every summer? How do you possibly get any better doing that?

I have to say, I’m very much in this camp with regards to the rumoured outgoings. I knew there was going to be sales but I wasn’t expecting quite so many on the “best players” side and more on the “fringe players” side. It’s hard to see the point of last season at all at the moment.

It’s easy to say “ah but finances, debt, etc - you know the reality” but Kompany did say that this summer was different to last and that there was less financial pressure to sell. That must’ve been rubbish because if rumoured outgoings are true we got £70m last summer and are in for £100m plus this summer, so I don’t think it’s a totally unfair position for fans to be quite so surprised that we seem to be selling all our best players and spine… and a lot of experience to boot.

I think ALK and Pace are taking a big gamble now on Scott Parker to perform the miracles Kompany did.

If we go up again I’m of the view we don’t bother spending and see how our lads do, accept the inevitable relegation again but then try to use the subsequent summer sales to buy a squad we can afford to keep together.

This “go up, spend, go down, sell”, cycle isn’t sustainable at all, even if the financial model we have put in place is starting to bare fruit.

[Blyclaret]

You’re 33 with a wife and kids. You get a chance to double your wages with your last big contract. What do you do ? I know what I’d do

[CrosspoolClarets]

Struggling to understand the hysteria, as often on here. Better this way to accumulate a war chest than Leeds, having loan clauses that gains them little, like Jack Harrison.

The other factor was that if the atmosphere was as toxic last season as claimed, many players will want or need to go due to that. Who knows what arguments MTB2 chose not to show - I bet there were dozens. Some players would be unable to kiss and make up.

Like I said yesterday, the main thing is that any sales turn a profit - if they do, we remain strong and have a good track record with incomings. Of course we have to retain a core (in my mind at least 6) so a max of 5 new players in the starting XI.

[Commy]

Deadline day could be interesting this year if we haven't got sorted by then.

[boatshed bill]

What boils my urine is all these PL failures getting moves to PL clubs.
Where's the incentive to fight against relegation if you can get straight back into the PL?

[123EasyasBFC]

It is crazy the fallout over O’Shea and Vitinho because of how they started the season. If in June we said we could get 15m for O’Shea and 8m for Vitinho everyone would of said yes please

[ŽižkovClaret]

I have to assume Vitinho has some family issues that mean a move back to Brazil, even temp, makes sense.

We acted admirably with Foster, but there is a small part of me that doesnt wonder if we might have opened ourselves up to be being seen as a little bit of a soft touch......

I'd like the think the best of people and dismiss this notion but it scratches at me.

[ŽižkovClaret]

What boils my urine is all these PL failures getting moves to PL clubs.
Where's the incentive to fight against relegation if you can get straight back into the PL?

The logic would be that they are perfectly decent players and it wasn't them who were the problem......

*side eye at a Belgian fella in a cap*

[TsarBomba]

Main thing is we have a bloody massive squad (still), some crap, some average, some good, but we have liquidity to trade. Leeds for example in much bigger pickle. We've started shedding we we really need to. More to leave too obs.

Agree with those saying let's get rid of Trafford to avoid one good sale, like DOS.

Rumoured replacement players are quality - Hannibal and Sarmiento.

The gap is big, and we finished the season quite well last year. We ae coming from a higher base than Sheff and Luton (yes, I know they finished above us).

We are better than Luton and Sheff (see the first game, last season's results against them - 16 v 4 on agg), and the big threat Leeds are in turmoil.

All rational thinking says we go up if we play our cards right. Agree JBG is a loss, and Vits we should keep. DOS I think is the key one, and that does look tough with all the interest, but who knows, maybe he is settled, love his life in Cheshire and wants to bed in and play first team footy at a great club. No inside info there, just hopeful.

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Good post.

The situation with Leeds is farcical. We at least have the money to re-invest. Leeds had £190M in owed instalments at the start of this summer, and could only bid £7M for Rowe after selling Summerville for £25M. I read on their forum they only have 19 players, too.

Sure, it’s not ideal losing Berge, and perhaps O’Shea and Vitinho, but it was inevitable we would lose some first teamers. The fringe players alone were never going to
cover the shortfall.

The biggest gripe is having this upheaval when the season has already started. Would love for the window to close before the first game.

We’ll be absolutely fine, and the appointment of Parker looks more astute every week. He’s been here and done it, twice, and he’s exactly the safe pair of hands we need to navigate the turbulence.

[kentonclaret]

Main thing is we have a bloody massive squad (still), some crap, some average, some good, but we have liquidity to trade. Leeds for example in much bigger pickle. We've started shedding we we really need to. More to leave too obs.

Agree with those saying let's get rid of Trafford to avoid one good sale, like DOS.

Rumoured replacement players are quality - Hannibal and Sarmiento.

The gap is big, and we finished the season quite well last year. We ae coming from a higher base than Sheff and Luton (yes, I know they finished above us).

We are better than Luton and Sheff (see the first game, last season's results against them - 16 v 4 on agg), and the big threat Leeds are in turmoil.

All rational thinking says we go up if we play our cards right. Agree JBG is a loss, and Vits we should keep. DOS I think is the key one, and that does look tough with all the interest, but who knows, maybe he is settled, love his life in Cheshire and wants to bed in and play first team footy at a great club. No inside info there, just hopeful.

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Where has Hannibal demonstrated that he is quality? Certainly not during his loan spell at Seville that turned out to be a disaster for him making just a single start and a handful of appearances from the bench. Seville had an option to buy if the player impressed but didn’t take it up.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Get your point 123 but DOS was a beast last half of the season after his shaky start, just some people refused to see it based on his start.

Imagine playing in defence in a team full of kids against the top 8, not easy. He wins everything in the air, in both boxes defends properly, and is fast as hell.

He's the one we need to do all we can to keep IMHO. Will be really tough with all the deserved interest.

Get your point on Viti but he is getting better and better and covers so much ground. £8m is fair, but still a keep if we can.

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[burnley007]

I've seen a few comments from people on here not understanding why some fans are worried/nervous about player sales.
Of course people will be worried, we are fans, not business men, we want the best players at Burnley.
This doesn't mean we're daft, just fans.

I'm quietly concerned, but I have a voice in the back of my head telling me that it will all be good and I need to be patient, not easy when I'm already excited about being at Sunderland on Saturday.

[Casper2]

You’re 33 with a wife and kids. You get a chance to double your wages with your last big contract. What do you do ? I know what I’d do

Who cares about morals, money is far more important.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

I think he is a good player Kenton - and to answer the question, Birmingham.

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[Jakubclaret]

You’re 33 with a wife and kids. You get a chance to double your wages with your last big contract. What do you do ? I know what I’d do

You'd take it with both hands you'd literally snatch the hands off nobody's disputing whether he's done the right thing for himself & his family but let's do away with the old cobblers that him coming back was doing us a good turn it might transpire we end up with a fee but that wasn't the plan 2 weeks ago or so when he rejoined. The saudis would have took him there & then if he was noticed.

[123EasyasBFC]

Get your point 123 but DOS was a beast last half of the season after his shaky start, just some people refused to see it based on his start.

Imagine playing in defence in a team full of kids against the top 8, not easy. He wins everything in the air, in both boxes defends properly, and is fast as hell.

He's the one we need to do all we can to keep IMHO. Will be really tough with all the deserved interest.

Get your point on Viti but he is getting better and better and covers so much ground. £8m is fair, but still a keep if we can.

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Don’t get me wrong I would want us to keep them both, especially O’Shea because him and Esteve seem to have a good understanding. I was just saying that the fees being touted for them would have been great fees before a ball had been kicked

[boatshed bill]

I've seen a few comments from people on here not understanding why some fans are worried/nervous about player sales.
Of course people will be worried, we are fans, not business men, we want the best players at Burnley.
This doesn't mean we're daft, just fans.

I'm quietly concerned, but I have a voice in the back of my head telling me that it will all be good and I need to be patient, not easy when I'm already excited about being at Sunderland on Saturday.

It could turn into a shop, rotating stock, as opposed to a club.

[RicardoMontalban]

Because we’re in the midst of it, it feels like chaos. But…

We knew the squad was overblown and there was a lot of work to be done to get it down. If the Odobert fee is anything to go by we don’t appear to be getting stiffed on price, but all our players do have a price. The hope that we’d be able to make whatever financial target we have through shifting the chaff out was unrealistic.

Didn’t Andy Jones make some allusion to 4/5 1st team starters likely to be sold? Feels like that’s where we’re at.

The JBG one is odd, but may also get us a fee out of nothing. Vitinho similar. Good squad players, but you’d hope that the plans are there to replace them with incomings. It’s not ideal, but it’s the reality of our situation given last season’s massive cock-up.

We should still have more than enough to achieve this season’s objective of promotion.

[NewClaret]

Hannibal?

Yes

Well done Paddy, he seemed to get it straight away.

Great player, I think. Remember him playing against us for Brum and thought he looked excellent.

What I specifically like about him is how fast he gets to the ball, works hard, not afraid to tackle. Less languid than Berge but won’t read the game as well you’d imagine.

Of the names I’ve heard linked this is the only one I’m really excited about so hoping there’s actually more going on.

[burnley007]

It feels a bit chaotic atm, but at least there's only 11 days left...

[ervi34]

Worrall linked.

[RVclaret]

Joe Worrall is the centre back replacement for O’Shea. Someone nowhere near capable in the Prem. Meh.

[TsarBomba]

Pete O’Rourke- Burnley in talks to sign Worrall.

https://x.com/sportspeteo/status/182582 ... 82726?s=46

[Ric_C]

FFS

[GDK]

I'm sure everyone would be more relaxed about O'Shea leaving if we knew Ekdal, Beyer and/or Al-Dakhil were going to be available soon. We know they are all good enough at this level.

I understand the confidentiality issues but approximate timescales on their recovery periods would be helpful for us to understand what is going on. If it's a relegation release clause for Dara then there won't be much we can do but these 3 are perfectly adequate cover if fit.

[whiffa]

You’re 33 with a wife and kids. You get a chance to double your wages with your last big contract. What do you do ? I know what I’d do

If I had a wife and kids, I wouldn't be considering a move to Saudi unless it's 20x my current wages.

[123EasyasBFC]

Joe Worrall is the centre back replacement for O’Shea. Someone nowhere near capable in the Prem. Meh.

Worrall more than capable at championship level until Beyer is back fit

[kentonclaret]

I think he is a good player Kenton - and to answer the question, Birmingham.

UTC

According to an article posted online from United In Focus dated 19 August 2024, it states that Rangers were interested in signing Hannibal but that has now cooled with the player expressing a preference to play in France or Spain.
If he shone at Birmingham perhaps he could do the same at Burnley.

[TsarBomba]

Joe Worrall is the centre back replacement for O’Shea. Someone nowhere near capable in the Prem. Meh.

Captained Forest in their promotion season, which I’m guessing is what we are targeting here.

[LongsideClaret]

I expect Worrall and Humphreys to come in at CB. Dara, McNally and another to go out.

[NewClaret]

Yep, that one’s true and all. One of the ones I’m thoroughly unimpressed with.

Don’t see the need and would rather keep McNally. Waste of funds in my view.

Experience the only up side but someone proven not to cut it in the premier league seems odd.

I didn’t want him when we were linked with Dyche either.

[123EasyasBFC]

I expect Worrall and Humphreys to come in at CB. Dara, McNally and another to go out.

Hopefully the other is Delcroix and we keep Beyer and when Beyer is back to full fitness he can take his place next to Esteve

[ervi34]

Benson leaving according to Sacha.

[LongsideClaret]

Hopefully the other is Delcroix and we keep Beyer and when Beyer is back to full fitness he can take his place next to Esteve

Not heard anything about Delcroix, and from what I hear Beyer is a million miles way from being fit.

[daveisaclaret]

I think everything going on is pretty good, taking away my feelings on if this is a good model for a football club. Everybody understood we needed to seriously cut down the squad and recoup some money while doing so, there was just a lot of wild optimism that we'd do it by getting rid of all the players we didn't want and keeping all the good ones. Twine aside (great deal) that hasn't happened, but we have done considerably better than I expected with the good ones.

We will need to make a couple of signings to make sure there is proper balance to the team but we will seemingly come out of this window having achieved success according to the club's model and with the best team in the league.

[RVclaret]

Yep, that one’s true and all. One of the ones I’m thoroughly unimpressed with.

Don’t see the need and would rather keep McNally. Waste of funds in my view.

Experience the only up side but someone proven not to cut it in the premier league seems odd.

I didn’t want him when we were linked with Dyche either.

Who are the winger names you’ve heard?

[claretskeith]

Not heard anything about Delcroix, and from what I hear Beyer is a million miles way from being fit.

Anything re: Benson?

[boatshed bill]

According to an article posted online from United In Focus dated 19 August 2024, it states that Rangers were interested in signing Hannibal but that has now cooled with the player expressing a preference to play in France or Spain.
If he shone at Birmingham perhaps he could do the same at Burnley.

Burnley, not Barcelona?

[Selby Claret]

Beyer Ekdal and Al-Dakhil are all perfectly capable - and I think proved to be good enough for the Champ last time round.
If one or more of them were fit we'd be less worried about any departure of O'Shea.
Its just frustrating not knowing how long before any of them will return.

[randomclaret2]

I wonder if Worrall and Humphreys are the first " Scott Parker signings " i.e. players he has identified and wants as opposed to those identified by our scouting operation. ?

[kentonclaret]

Don’t get me wrong I would want us to keep them both, especially O’Shea because him and Esteve seem to have a good understanding. I was just saying that the fees being touted for them would have been great fees before a ball had been kicked

Ekdal and Beyer seemed to have spent more time on the treatment table than they have on the pitch whilst being at Burnley. But that may just be me getting the wrong perception but they are certainly not in the ever present category.

[SonofPog]

Worrall helps with the homegrown quota and a bit of leadership in the squad.

Rather keep DOS of course, but seems like that's not an option.

As GDK says, it'll help if we had any of Ekdal, Beyer, Al-Dakhil fit.

[Burnley87]

The only way we will ever compete at the top of the Championship and lower premier league is by good player trading. FFP , stagnant season ticket revenues and ticket sales due to the size of the fan base is going to restrict standard forms or revenue. We can make more money through good player trading than selling season tickets.

The model is exactly the right one and looking at the fees we are bringing in for players the club are making healthy returns on players.

The only balance they need to find is the balance between being competitive in the Premier League and balancing the books which I hope the have learnt from last season if we get back there next season.

So far the recruitment has been good and we look really competitive in the Championship this season despite losing players.