Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[NewClaret]

I think it was around £4m

Think it was €5m purchase (not sure how much if any was add ons) and €10m sale €2m add ons.

[123EasyasBFC]

Interesting that Ipswich didn’t extend or renew any interest in a longer deal if he was an ever present for them last season.

The plan was for him to stay at Ipswich if they didn’t go up

[NewClaret]

Has JBL not been snapped up yet?

No and I’m really hoping he’s part of our plans here.

[FeedTheArf]

He won't take a pay cut, footballers rearly do

He probably won't, but he went on loan to Besiktas in January and I'd be amazed if they footed the rumoured 50k a week wage. There are ways around this. Forest could give him a pay off or could do a subsidised loan with permanent contingent on promotion.

[Cooclaret]

United using Hannibal as a makeweight in Berge deal.

[Colburn_Claret]

Very good deal

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O'Shea is going to be a top CB, and is worth far more than that. I'd be sorry to see him go. I'd be angry to see him go at that price.

[AGENT_CLARET]

If we sign this lad he'd rip the championship apart

https://youtu.be/2UeuFp0nWxo?si=qomr0PaVzDjGFDQG

[AGENT_CLARET]

United using Hannibal as a makeweight in Berge deal.

Heard the same thing

[123EasyasBFC]

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O'Shea is going to be a top CB, and is worth far more than that. I'd be sorry to see him go. I'd be angry to see him go at that price.

10m for al-dakhil is a great deal

[123EasyasBFC]

So incomings wise it’s

Humphreys - loan with obligation
Hannibal - perm of loan with obligation
Sarmiento - loan with obligation
Worrall - perm if O’Shea leaves

[Big Vinny K]

If we sign this lad he'd rip the championship apart

https://youtu.be/2UeuFp0nWxo?si=qomr0PaVzDjGFDQG

Like he did at Birmingham ?

[Pearcey]

How far away from returning are Ekdal and Beyer?

[burnley007]

Has JBL not been snapped up yet?

I just don't understand why we haven't signed him yet. Great player, good attitude, still improving.
Also pretty cheap.

[Pearcey]

Like he did at Birmingham ?

When they played us he really stood out. Was glad he was sent off. Think he’d be a real fans favourite.

[kentonclaret]

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O'Shea is going to be a top CB, and is worth far more than that. I'd be sorry to see him go. I'd be angry to see him go at that price.

I posted a few days ago that selling O’Shea was bonkers and even more so now given the paltry amount that we are reportedly receiving after sell on fees etc.
At the conclusion of Mission To Burnley 2 Kompany told Pace that O’Shea was one of a key core of players needed for a successful Championship campaign.

[Big Vinny K]

When they played us he really stood out. Was glad he was sent off. Think he’d be a real fans favourite.

Hopefully.
Ripping up the championship seems unlikely though based on what he’s done so far.
He did look lively against us I agree but he was also a red card waiting to happen….and seems to be every other time I have seen him play.

[CoolClaret]

'Who's our 5 guys?" - Dave Checketts to Alan Pace/the board when expressing his concerns with the model... Well, who are they? Who's going to be our spine and here for more than 2 years?

[Colburn_Claret]

10m for al-dakhil is a great deal

Apologies if you were referring to Al Dakhil, I took it as O'Shea.
Al Dakhil showed some great potential, and handled rightly could have been a star for us. Kompanys handling of him last season almost broke him, I wouldn't be surprised if he can't wait to get away from the club, and because of that 10mill would be brilliant. But someone could be getting a star. For his sake I hope so.

[mdd2]

Well three of those 4 will count as homegrown. Not sure about Sarmiento as he was with Charlton from aged 7-16 and then Benfica from 16-19 and back in UK from aged 19

[Tricky Trevor]

I just don't understand why we haven't signed him yet. Great player, good attitude, still improving.
Also pretty cheap.

Possibly JBL holding out for top division football in a big 5 league.

[whiffa]

I don't know you know he's probably already on 20x your current wages

Not really the point I was making

[Chester Perry]

Baggies in for a windfall as they get 20% of any profit on O'Shea. If we sell for £15 we only get our £7 + £6.4 million

from an accounting perspective it will be booked as DoS current book value (take a year of amortisation off the purchase price) plus the sell on fee (calculated from the original purchase price) that is taken from the selling price that will be called profit.

In all these deals it has to be remembered that we have to pay all outstanding payments and the sell on immediately on sale conclusion for players we purchased from British teams.

for players purchased from international teams we are only required to maintain the original payment terms registered with FIFA and UEFA - which means we could be paying off on players over multiple years that no longer play for us - I suspect we only finished paying for Cornet this summer as an example.

so what we are seeing is not much actual short term cash generation in deals for Berge and DoS - such deals are usually paid over multiple instalments. Recognition of this has seen some suggest that the club will opt to factor these deals like we did with Wood, Collins and Pope. I am not so sure, given the relationship with MGG, which has already seen the factored TV deal end early via what appears to be a second loan from them to the club (registered in Luxembourg as MGG Lux Sv 2 Claret Compartment Sarl https://www.datocapital.lu/companies/Mg ... -Sarl.html), so it could pay off the agreement with Macquarie early.

We should not forget that MGG are on record as stating that they only get involved in deals where they are the only lender

I am assuming that MGG are driving these sales, not necessarily to see an enforced repayment by the close of the transfer window (which remains a significant possibility), but to be assured one way or another that the club has guaranteed cash flows to meet it's obligations to them.

[123EasyasBFC]

Well three of those 4 will count as homegrown. Not sure about Sarmiento as he was with Charlton from aged 7-16 and then Benfica from 16-19 and back in UK from aged 19

He’s had 3 years at an English club before turning 21

[Commy]

Like he did at Birmingham ?

He was 19 when he was at Birmingham. I liked him when he was there and I am sure he must have improved since.

[Swizzlestick]

Weren't there discipline and application problems with Hannibal at Sevilla?

[Mark the Claret]

He was 19 when he was at Birmingham. I liked him when he was there and I am sure he must have improved since.

You don't stay that long at United if you're crap.

[Bordeauxclaret]

You don't stay that long at United if you're crap.

I think we’ve had players from them that disprove that.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Weren't there discipline and application problems with Hannibal at Sevilla?

And everywhere he’s been

[kentonclaret]

Weren't there discipline and application problems with Hannibal at Sevilla?

Made just the 1 start, 5 substitute appearances and Sevilla chose not to take up an option to buy at the end of the loan. Quite possible given the fact that United have also had very few suitors for his signature.

[quoonbeatz]

Widely known as Hannibell.

[The Shire Claret]

Please do not sell Benson to Leeds

[Casper2]

You don't stay that long at United if you're crap.

Ha ha brilliant

[JimmyRobbo]

27 is approaching prime for a CB

Absolutely corrcect. My mistake. He's been around that long and been linked with us so many times under Dyche, I thought he was older.
The rest of what I said was true, though.

[Dyched]

Everyones been asking for this for years then crying now it’s happening

[Guller Bull]

Everyones been asking for this for years then crying now it’s happening

Best not to generalise.

[Big Vinny K]

He was 19 when he was at Birmingham. I liked him when he was there and I am sure he must have improved since.

Hopefully but hard to tell given does not sound like he’s played much.

Not saying he won’t be good but we are looking at a very different type of player to Berge in terms of experience and proven quality.

The fact he has come from United means very little these days. Tbh the way SAF used to operate and some of the duds we and other teams have signed from United in the past if anything it adds an unjustified premium to the price.

[dandeclaret]

You don't stay that long at United if you're crap.

As Neil Wood, Phil Eckersley??, Luke Chadwick. John O'Kane and Lee Roche would prove.....

[randomclaret2]

Richard Eckersley

[Luppy]

As Neil Wood, Phil Eckersley??, Luke Chadwick. John O'Kane and Lee Roche would prove.....

Lee Roche...... shudder

[Poulton-le-Claret]

I seem to remember quite a few complaining last season that we were too nice and not willing to get in the faces of the opposition and now people are concerned about Hannibal's disciplinary record..... Can't win.

He could turn out to be a total s*** house player, but he will be our s*** house if the deal happens.

[randomclaret2]

Dont forget Steve Gardner

[Big Vinny K]

Everyones been asking for this for years then crying now it’s happening

Asking for what exactly ?

Letting a load of greedy yanks put the club in more debt than we have ever had in our history ?

Or spending £200m on building an over bloated squad that managed to scrape 24 points in one of the worst seasons to watch as a supporter in our history

Or is it buying 30 or 40 new players most of us have never heard of and would struggle to still remember half their names now ?

Or is it seeing players play for the team for half a season before we sell them to help repay the debt ?

Which ones of the above have we all been asking for ?

[Luppy]

How far away from returning are Ekdal and Beyer?

Saw Beyer at the weekend - had a photo taken with my son after he'd struggled to get out of his car! Asked him how long he would be - "a few weeks" was the reply.

[KRBFC]

I think the only thing that stood out about Hannibal is his big Afro hair style and his willingness to stick a foot in. Haven’t seen much in terms of actual ability.

[Silkyskills1]

You don't stay that long at United if you're crap.

Phil Jones.

[BigChaCha]

I find it quite humorous that 99.9% of people in here were saying not so long ago that we would struggle to off-load players or that we would lose money on them and now they are saying 25m is not enough and that we should be holding out for 30m lol!...

I was one of the 0.1% who predicted we would sell about 120m to 130m worth of talent and I won't be far wrong... Interestingly, the same people were also saying the same thing after the relegation just before VK became manager and they were wrong then too!

[gandhisflipflop]

Asking for what exactly ?

Letting a load of greedy yanks put the club in more debt than we have ever had in our history ?

Or spending £200m on building an over bloated squad that managed to scrape 24 points in one of the worst seasons to watch as a supporter in our history

Or is it buying 30 or 40 new players most of us have never heard of and would struggle to still remember half their names now ?

Or is it seeing players play for the team for half a season before we sell them to help repay the debt ?

Which ones of the above have we all been asking for ?

Yawn.

[KRBFC]

I’d like to see us go and reinvest some of this money on a couple of standout young players at this level.

The likes of:

Sunderland - Paterson, Clarke, Rigg, Neil
Norwich - Rowe
Coventry - Sheaf
Plymouth - Whittaker
WBA - Fellows

Just a few that spring to mind. I suspect we’ll bank £100m and spend peanuts on lesser replacements though.

[Pearcey]

As Neil Wood, Phil Eckersley??, Luke Chadwick. John O'Kane and Lee Roche would prove.....

Forgot about O’Kane. Just googled him and he had some mental issues before retiring at 28. Never really enjoyed football and now cares for Autistic kids. Fair play to him.

[claretskeith]

Weren't there discipline and application problems with Hannibal at Sevilla?

He took chunks out of players.