Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[burnley007]

Why would it need agreeing today just because he’s down in Plymouth, we managed to fly assignon on a private jet on deadline day last Jan

It seems like those days are gone now, we'd probably expect him to cycle up now.

[billyhamilton82]

It seems like those days are gone now, we'd probably expect him to cycle up now.

Already booked rickshaw

[RVclaret]

Why would it need agreeing today just because he’s down in Plymouth, we managed to fly assignon on a private jet on deadline day last Jan

Fair point.

[Commy]

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/182 ... -foster%2F

[RVclaret]

Second bid for Whittaker. Loan with obligation.

https://x.com/nickmashiter/status/18291 ... 54003?s=46

[Murger]

Second bid for Whittaker. Loan with obligation.

https://x.com/nickmashiter/status/18291 ... 54003?s=46

We really must be skint if we’re going in with a second similar bid.

[Commy]

Well 'they tried.'

[summitclaret]

Already booked rickshaw

JJ just seen north of Exeter carrying Whittaker on a sudan chair single-handedly.

[burnley007]

Second bid for Whittaker. Loan with obligation.

https://x.com/nickmashiter/status/18291 ... 54003?s=46

Why the loans????

It just seems odd. Everything at the club feels so temporary nowadays. I'm really starting to miss the Dyche/Garlick days of stability and boring transfer windows.

[Rileybobs]

Presumably we've had some encouragement to have gone in with another loan to buy offer.

[RVclaret]

We really must be skint if we’re going in with a second similar bid.

First one was an option, this is an obligation (for all intents and purposes it’s a permanent signing, like Tresor & Esteve). Usually done for cash flow reasons.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

I cannot see why Plymouth would accept a loan with obligation. If he's a good character a deferred payment is of zero use to them. Use the Amdouni, Twine, Weghorst sales to fund it.

[Vegas Claret]

Wout gone as expected

[Murger]

First one was an option, this is an obligation (for all intents and purposes it’s a permanent signing, like Tresor & Esteve). Usually done for cash flow reasons.

Doesn’t help Plymouths immediate cashflow issues though. Which when it comes to it, is all that counts.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Got to imagine Parker sees Whittaker playing in the ten role?

[1989_claret]

Wout gone to Ajax

[burnley007]

Wout gone to Ajax

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... es-to-ajax


Not much of a write up is it, he came, he did nowt, he left.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Doesn’t help Plymouths immediate cashflow issues though. Which when it comes to it, is all that counts.

Depends on the loan fee.

They can be quite clever about these types of deals.

Could be for example a really high loan fee for this year that’s let’s say 4m. Then the transfer fee is paid over 5 years starting next season.

[1989_claret]

Why the loans????

It just seems odd. Everything at the club feels so temporary nowadays. I'm really starting to miss the Dyche/Garlick days of stability and boring transfer windows.

Surely that's a parody account with a name like that Nick Mashiter

[Murger]

official?

I can't see it anywhere.

Official twitter.

[ClaretAL]

Second bid for Whittaker. Loan with obligation.

https://x.com/nickmashiter/status/18291 ... 54003?s=46

I bet that guy on X got some grief at school

[ClaretAndJew]

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... es-to-ajax


Not much of a write up is it, he came, he did nowt, he left.

On official site and twitter.

[ClaretAndJew]

I bet that guy on X got some grief at school

Lick

[123EasyasBFC]

Depends on the loan fee.

They can be quite clever about these types of deals.

Could be for example a really high loan fee for this year that’s let’s say 4m. Then the transfer fee is paid over 5 years starting next season.

I thought the exact same, 4m loan fee with another 6 or 7m to make it perm

[alwaysaclaret]

Wout gone to Ajax

Should help the whittaker bid, maybe we up it if the 2nd bid is rejected again.

[Tricky Trevor]

We really must be skint if we’re going in with a second similar bid.

If we offer the £8m, reportedly bid, as a loan fee and top it up next Summer he is worth it.
Obs dependant on how much the top up reaches.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I thought the exact same, 4m loan fee with another 6 or 7m to make it perm

I’ve been listening to a few podcasts and that seems to be the popular method for transfers these days.

From the sounds of it the loan sections of the deal are incredibly high

[morninbob]

Even if we bid 10m, they'd only get the first installment now which could be the same as the loan fee anyway.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’ve been listening to a few podcasts and that seems to be the popular method for transfers these days.

From the sounds of it the loan sections of the deal are incredibly high

So many people on X not understanding that an obligation means Plymouth can actually spend the money now, knowing they have that money coming in. Like the obafemi from Swansea deal

[NickBFC]

Surely that's a parody account with a name like that Nick Mashiter

Bet his nickname at school was Kiss.

[BigGaz]

Nick Mashiter FFS

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm really starting to miss the Dyche/Garlick days of stability and boring transfer windows.

Same here, it would save us from all your shite jokes.

[northernpowerhouse]

Why the loans????

Maybe it's some weird accounting trick. Defer the payment until next year and the books look different. I don't know if it applies to us but sometimes clubs do it to meet FFP rules.

[TheFamilyCat]

So many people on X not understanding that an obligation means Plymouth can actually spend the money now, knowing they have that money coming in. Like the obafemi from Swansea deal

Depends whether whoever they are buying from wants to defer their money too.

[Suntan]

Loan with an obligation to buy isn’t that stupid an idea to be honest. We’d have to pay slightly above market value as Plymouth would need to take out a loan against the future income. So we’d have to buy the player and cover loan costs. We get to defer payment for 12 months, Plymouth still get their cash to reinvest. And payment in 12 months for us is likely to coincide with receipt of the Zeki money from Benfica. Or Trafford if he leaves and the deal is structured in a similar manner. Same if Lyle goes on loan with an obligation.

[BigGaz]

There's levels to all of this in so many ways isn't there. Last season you're signing your future France International that youll flog for 30m to Spurs and it's Ornstein and Romano announcing it.

This year you're signing Swansea cast offs and it's being called by a bloke called Nick Mashiter from backwater FM

[The Shire Claret]

Wout put a nice send off on his Instagram

[BigGaz]

Maybe it's some weird accounting trick. Defer the payment until next year and the books look different. I don't know if it applies to us but sometimes clubs do it to meet FFP rules.

That's spot on what it is pal.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Nick Mashiter sounds like someone who might be drinking in Mo's Tavern

[123EasyasBFC]

There's levels to all of this in so many ways isn't there. Last season you're signing your future France International that youll flog for 30m to Spurs and it's Ornstein and Romano announcing it.

This year you're signing Swansea cast offs and it's being called by a bloke called Nick Mashiter from backwater FM

Swansea cast off scored 19 goals in the league we are trying to get out of this season

[Rileybobs]

There's levels to all of this in so many ways isn't there. Last season you're signing your future France International that youll flog for 30m to Spurs and it's Ornstein and Romano announcing it.

This year you're signing Swansea cast offs and it's being called by a bloke called Nick Mashiter from backwater FM

NIck Mashiter, from the BBC, or Fabrizio Romano, from his bedroom.

[Swizzlestick]

Nick Mashiter sounds like someone who might be drinking in Mo's Tavern

We’ve made a loan offer with obligation to buy for Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo.

[Steddyman]

I guess Plymouth can use the obligation to get a loan for the full amount, so does in fact cover their short term needs.

[Swizzlestick]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/ ... ey-9516279

Rooney derided our bid as ‘laughable’ and said now unlikely to sell

[BigGaz]

Swansea cast off scored 19 goals in the league we are trying to get out of this season

I'm aware and I'm excited by the prospect of it, they still cast him off (stupidly) though.

[123EasyasBFC]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/ ... ey-9516279

Rooney derided our bid as ‘laughable’ and said now unlikely to sell

Pretty standard thing for a manager to say don’t you think. Wouldn’t go down well with the fans if he turned around and said ‘yeah we are working with clubs to sell Morgan’

[BigGaz]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/ ... ey-9516279

Rooney derided our bid as ‘laughable’ and said now unlikely to sell

Looks like that's after our laughable (he's right) option to buy bid but before the mandatory one.

This is just talking the price up for me.

[Rileybobs]

Laughable is better than derisory, isn't it?

[BigBadBarnes]

Maybe it's some weird accounting trick. Defer the payment until next year and the books look different. I don't know if it applies to us but sometimes clubs do it to meet FFP rules.

Surely then it's only an effective trick for one year? As next summer the payment will show up and make the spending that year more difficult. Obviously in our case,.if we get promoted it would help mask that. But lots of clubs seem to be doing it, even ones that are unlikely to have any change in division

[gandhisflipflop]

That refers to the option to buy as opposed to the obligation to buy