Sack him now

[123EasyasBFC]

Can’t believe YouTubers claiming to be Burnley fan on x is suggesting sacking Parker and bringing in Ole

[boatshed bill]

I’m by no means a Parker Out person, all silly at the mo, but he has to improve offensively or it will cost him his job, or us our future as a top club when parachutes run out.

Plenty of clubs survive without parachute payments. We are not automatically entitled to be a "top" club.

[Row x]

I think folk are gaslighting themselves a bit here. It's fine to support the gaffer and we can acknowledge that he's got us doing well in the table but at the same time it is actually ok to say that the football isn't great

It's lethargic, ponderous, passionless. If anyone has honestly enjoyed that game today as a whole then fair play to you but the prospect of sitting through another 20+ games of that this season has my blood running cold.

We're doing ok for now but for me it isn't going to be long before the opposition teams we face start clueing into the fact that we are not worthy of that much respect, that they don't need to bed in against us, and if they can get an odd goal then they will very likely take the win or a draw at least.

I think you'll find that if teams start "playing"against us, it will work in our favour, rather than against

[Row x]

Can’t believe YouTubers claiming to be Burnley fan on x is suggesting sacking Parker and bringing in Ole

I stopped reading at youtubers

[TPClaret]

I stopped reading at youtubers

They are football experts these YouTubers! Won loads in the game. Can’t believe AP didn’t consider appointing one as manager!

[Mattster]

Anyone pointing to the total shots as some sign we had any attacking threat today is kidding themselves.

Of the 22 shots only 4 of those that were in the area came from open play and none of those were in genuinely dangerous areas of the box. The majority of the shots came from corners and weren't anywhere near threatening.

The fact we generated <1xg from 22 shots tells you the quality of chances we created was absolutely dire.

That said Parker Out shouts are way too soon, especially given we're still 2nd thanks to other teams not putting runs together either. Huge improvements needed, though, and the excuses were tired weeks ago.

[RVclaret]

Anyone pointing to the total shots as some sign we had any attacking threat today is kidding themselves.

Of the 22 shots only 4 of those that were in the area came from open play and none of those were in genuinely dangerous areas of the box. The majority of the shots came from corners and weren't anywhere near threatening.

The fact we generated <1xg from 22 shots tells you the quality of chances we created was absolutely dire.

That said Parker Out shouts are way too soon, especially given we're still 2nd thanks to other teams not putting runs together either. Huge improvements needed, though, and the excuses were tired weeks ago.

It’s not easy getting loads of open play chances inside the box when the opposition defend (well) with almost everyone inside it, particularly without genuine tight space operators in those areas. Haven’t you said before how important it is having a good long distance shooter against those kind of teams? We had that with Benson (over performed xG by the most in the league) to resolve this issue (mostly) last time. Plus 16 corners, I don’t think we created one good chance from them, Arsenal have shown lately how important they are even to teams, like themselves, who dominate games with better players - they even relied on a set piece against us last season at the Emirates - and it’s a real weakness for us. Everything leading up to the final action was good today. Unfortunately we have to choose between Jay and Hountondji up front next game.

[Colburn_Claret]

20 shots says we played perfectly. 4 on target is where it needs improvement. Low hanging fruit

We do need to improve infront of goal, but most of the 10 blocked shots were also on target.
I feel a lot more confident after today, than after Preston.

[ClaretAL]

We do need to improve infront of goal, but most of the 10 blocked shots were also on target.
I feel a lot more confident after today, than after Preston.

Agreed

[Claretnick]

Bloody hell I have read some rubbish over the years on this forum but this OP tops the lot. When SP accepted this job the squad looked a whole lot dfferent and considering the wholesale transfers out he had to deal with I think he's doing okay. He did warn us there would be bumps on the road and he asked us supporters to stick together with the players and his team.
VK's team wasn't exactly pulling up trees at this stage of the 22/23 season so let's just chill and give our team the support and patience it needs to grow. I am really pleased that CJ is getting a run in the team and look how he is growing in confidence after being cold shouldered by the man who signed him....UTC....someone is going to take a pasting before long

[Benson]

Parker Out

Cringe.

[123EasyasBFC]

Parker Out

You are boring, spamming every thread about Parker, it’s about time you were banned for a while

[GetIntoEm]

He's not a Burnley fan, I think that's what his username is hinting at.

Probably sits outside Asda pretending to be a war veteran

[claretdj]

Can we all stomach another 6 months of this tripe?

[123EasyasBFC]

They just need banning, it was the same the day Parker was announced, every thread they posted ‘Parker out’

[123EasyasBFC]

Can we all stomach another 6 months of this tripe?

What makes you think it won’t get better?

8 players to come back from injury and a January transfer window

We are 12 games in and second in the league

[TPClaret]

Anyone would think we were 2nd from bottom

[Mattster]

It’s not easy getting loads of open play chances inside the box when the opposition defend (well) with almost everyone inside it, particularly without genuine tight space operators in those areas. Haven’t you said before how important it is having a good long distance shooter against those kind of teams? We had that with Benson (over performed xG by the most in the league) to resolve this issue (mostly) last time. Plus 16 corners, I don’t think we created one good chance from them, Arsenal have shown lately how important they are even to teams, like themselves, who dominate games with better players - they even relied on a set piece against us last season at the Emirates - and it’s a real weakness for us. Everything leading up to the final action was good today. Unfortunately we have to choose between Jay and Hountondji up front next game.

Forget "loads", we didn't even get one. Again.

RE: the long range shooter point; I get you're trying to revise down how we played in the last promotion campaign to make what we're seeing under Parker be more in line with what you want it to be but ultimately you're deluding yourself. Benson scoring a worldy or JBG showing some quality is not the only thing separating the two. Not by a long shot.

We have enough quality in the squad to create chances and score goals at this level, there is no way our attacking options (even limited by injury) are around the 3rd worst in the league. Yet that's where we stand.

[Row x]

Can we all stomach another 6 months of this tripe?

Just don't log on, view other websites.

[RVclaret]

Forget "loads", we didn't even get one. Again.

RE: the long range shooter point; I get you're trying to revise down how we played in the last promotion campaign to make what we're seeing under Parker be more in line with what you want it to be but ultimately you're deluding yourself. Benson scoring a worldy or JBG showing some quality is not the only thing separating the two. Not by a long shot.

We have enough quality in the squad to create chances and score goals at this level, there is no way our attacking options (even limited by injury) are around the 3rd worst in the league. Yet that's where we stand.

The performance today was seen many times during Kompany’s championship season, that’s my point. Many times a long range effort or very clinical Tella finish decided the game. And it won’t stay around that level, the difference is pretty minimal down there (to highlight that, if Anthony’s sitter had been given an xG the other night, not sure why it wasn’t, we’d have moved another 4 places higher just behind Sheff Utd - still too low but it will get better).

[Mattster]

The performance today was seen many times during Kompany’s championship season, that’s my point. Many times a long range effort or very clinical Tella finish decided the game. And it won’t stay around that level, the difference is pretty minimal down there (to highlight that, if Anthony’s sitter had been given an xG the other night, not sure why it wasn’t, we’d have moved another 4 places higher just behind Sheff Utd - still too low but it will get better).

And my point was that that's not the case. You want it to be, to paint Parker in a better light. So you're revising that season down.

But it wasn't.

Some times, yes.

"Many", no.

[Stonehouse]

That was the best performance since the Luton game and you are calling for the sack? Very premature

I don’t think there’s any point us sacking him but his interviews are becoming more and more on the back foot ,as regards the best performance since the Luton game reminds of VK saying we would be improved on every week ,it seems Luton was a one off and apart from the Cardiff game we could have easily lost all the rest as our stats regularly suggest we dominated teams but winning the possession percentages show 100% of bugger all ,and I’d like to see how many passes we made sideways in our own half .

[RVclaret]

And my point was that that's not the case. You want it to be, to paint Parker in a better light. So you're revising that season down.

But it wasn't.

Some times, yes.

"Many", no.

Similar ones

Stoke away 0.5 xG 63% possession
Coventry home 0.6, 64%
Preston away 0.4, 71%
Cardiff away 0.9, 60%
Coventry away 0.8, 60%
Blackpool away 0.6, 76%
Reading home 1.2, 70%

Ones where a worldie / luck / penalty was needed without much chance creation

Sunderland away 0.7, 4 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Wigan away 0.8, 5 goals
Boro home 0.9, 3 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Luton away 1.3, 1 goal (pen)

Other tight games that Benson turned around / won on his own after being subbed on (won’t count these)

Millwall, Blackburn away, Rotherham home

I’ve probably missed a few off (Twine winning the WBA home game with a free kick after a pretty difficult, low chance game) but 10 out of 46 there plus the 3 where a sub changed the game (we had much worse ones today), so can we stick with ‘many’ rather than ‘some’? Today was actually a better performance than the majority of those games (xGD >) without the clinical final third play. So no, not revising anything, merely an objective view.

[Boss Hogg]

It was dull and negative today but this thread and the OP are pathetic.

[claretspice]

It wasn't negative today. We dominated the game and particularly in the first half it was quite clear what we were trying to do. It was very similar to how we played under Kompany. Plenty of movement, rotation and generally 5 or 6 players in forward areas.

There were two big problems though. Firstly we couldn't sustain it, not least because Flemming who was integral to the first half faded as a result of a lack of game time, and also because QPR identified Humphrys as the limiting factor to our attacking armoury at left back. Secondly, the truth is the four players charged with playing off Flemming aren't quite of the required quality, technically. They work hard and run hard, but there isn't the guile of a Zaroury of Gudmundsson or even Maatsen amongst Anthony, Koleosho, Laurent and Brownhill. Good players but they all need to be paired with craftsmen who can pick a pass, not each other.

The good news is that in Ramsey, Redmond and Tresor in particular, but also Benson and Sarmiento, we have some quality to return. Speaking of Tresor, if he doesn't appear next week there will be reasonable questions to be asked. If clubs were willing to take him on loan in August they presumably expected him to be fit by November and, well, here we are. We were crying out for someone of that ilk today.

[ClaretLoup]

People need to consider the hand Parker has been dealt. In terms forwards in Jayrod, Hountondji and Fostrr he has got the two, three and four of clubs. The fire sale took four of the picture cards out of his hand, like Amdouni, Vitinho, JBG and Odebert all progressive attacking players.

Nonetheless he has built a team that is solid at the back and has a platform from which to progress.

[ClaretPete001]

Enjoyed the performance today, first half was excellent aside from last ditch QPR defending and several half chances missed. Missing a match winner or two at the moment, a spark for some creativity (JBG) or magic from Benson. Jay Rod and Hountondji offered nothing unfortunately.

Agree, first half was very good and showed real progress. I think we can all see the issue but as far as it goes I can't see what more Parker can do.

Not sure creativity was lacking more a physical presence in the box.

[ClaretPete001]

It wasn't negative today. We dominated the game and particularly in the first half it was quite clear what we were trying to do. It was very similar to how we played under Kompany. Plenty of movement, rotation and generally 5 or 6 players in forward areas.

There were two big problems though. Firstly we couldn't sustain it, not least because Flemming who was integral to the first half faded as a result of a lack of game time, and also because QPR identified Humphrys as the limiting factor to our attacking armoury at left back. Secondly, the truth is the four players charged with playing off Flemming aren't quite of the required quality, technically. They work hard and run hard, but there isn't the guile of a Zaroury of Gudmundsson or even Maatsen amongst Anthony, Koleosho, Laurent and Brownhill. Good players but they all need to be paired with craftsmen who can pick a pass, not each other.

The good news is that in Ramsey, Redmond and Tresor in particular, but also Benson and Sarmiento, we have some quality to return. Speaking of Tresor, if he doesn't appear next week there will be reasonable questions to be asked. If clubs were willing to take him on loan in August they presumably expected him to be fit by November and, well, here we are. We were crying out for someone of that ilk today.

Agree mostly but the ball was in the box a lot.....! Kolosheo and Anthony both played well today as did Laurent. As I say above the problem is having a physical presence in the box. The player of the match was Cook for a reason; he won everything.

[beddie]

The football is abysmal. Absolutely shambolic.

Team ripped to shreds soon after his first game, weeks later second in the league. What a silly post.

[Boss Hogg]

I think frustrating is more the way I should describe it. It has followed some very negative displays but we did try to get the ball forward more today and looked decent in the first half. We mainly lack that quality final ball and a proper striker with instinct. Still needs more urgency in stages of the game and particularly when the game is running out. There are no game changers on the bench either but that might improve with injured players returning. If we are there or thereabouts in Jan we can make use of the window and push on from there.

[BigGaz]

I think you'll find that if teams start "playing"against us, it will work in our favour, rather than against

I'm not so sure, personally.

[burnley007]

There HAS to be better than Parker Out there.
He is everything we were told he would be.

[BigGaz]

It wasn't negative today. We dominated the game and particularly in the first half it was quite clear what we were trying to do. It was very similar to how we played under Kompany. Plenty of movement, rotation and generally 5 or 6 players in forward areas.

There were two big problems though. Firstly we couldn't sustain it, not least because Flemming who was integral to the first half faded as a result of a lack of game time, and also because QPR identified Humphrys as the limiting factor to our attacking armoury at left back. Secondly, the truth is the four players charged with playing off Flemming aren't quite of the required quality, technically. They work hard and run hard, but there isn't the guile of a Zaroury of Gudmundsson or even Maatsen amongst Anthony, Koleosho, Laurent and Brownhill. Good players but they all need to be paired with craftsmen who can pick a pass, not each other.

The good news is that in Ramsey, Redmond and Tresor in particular, but also Benson and Sarmiento, we have some quality to return. Speaking of Tresor, if he doesn't appear next week there will be reasonable questions to be asked. If clubs were willing to take him on loan in August they presumably expected him to be fit by November and, well, here we are. We were crying out for someone of that ilk today.

I'm glad you've said that.

Laurent has been decent for us but he wouldn't get within a country mile of the first choice starting line up of any Matchday squad of ours that I can think over for at least the last decade, maybe 15 years, under normal circumstances.

My great white hope is that Benson can rediscover some form, as well as Ramsey, Redmond and Tresor returning to the fold and starting to contribute. In an ideal world this means that the likes of Anthony, Laurent, Sarmiento, Koleosho are not going to get a look in.

Koleosho is being done a little bit dirty in that so much of our attacking output relies on his shoulders, at twenty but as for the rest of them they are extremely limited and whilst they are doing their best, they are what they are: backups.

[MT03ALG]

Why did Jay get a contract if he can't play anymore. He is literally a pointless player to have at the club.

Jay is only on £45,00 a week

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Jay is only on £45,00 a week

Is there a zero missing from that figure? If so, I hope you are wrong

[taio]

Similar ones

Stoke away 0.5 xG 63% possession
Coventry home 0.6, 64%
Preston away 0.4, 71%
Cardiff away 0.9, 60%
Coventry away 0.8, 60%
Blackpool away 0.6, 76%
Reading home 1.2, 70%

Ones where a worldie / luck / penalty was needed without much chance creation

Sunderland away 0.7, 4 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Wigan away 0.8, 5 goals
Boro home 0.9, 3 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Luton away 1.3, 1 goal (pen)

Other tight games that Benson turned around / won on his own after being subbed on (won’t count these)

Millwall, Blackburn away, Rotherham home

I’ve probably missed a few off (Twine winning the WBA home game with a free kick after a pretty difficult, low chance game) but 10 out of 46 there plus the 3 where a sub changed the game (we had much worse ones today), so can we stick with ‘many’ rather than ‘some’? Today was actually a better performance than the majority of those games (xGD >) without the clinical final third play. So no, not revising anything, merely an objective view.

Are you actually being serious?

[Roberts' Tash]

The football is abysmal. Absolutely shambolic.

Absolutely ridiculous

[Jakubclaret]

In terms of results it's silly to be talking about sacking him & that's all that really matters at the end of the day. It's a p1ss poor league & due to crapness faced we are doing good. Everything's boringly predictable but satisfactory enough to let things draw to the inevitable conclusion.

[KRBFC]

Are you actually being serious?

Yes he is, imagine comparing a side that is near the bottom in terms of XG, shots on target and chances created with that Kompany side.

101 points, 87 goals and 29 wins in 46 games.

Trying to compare the two sides is the most disingenuous bullshit, it’s an absolute insult to that heroic Kompany side to be compared to this blunt ponderous bag of crap.

[KRBFC]

As for sacking Parker, it’s clearly not the right time at the minute and it’s tough because I like when he speaks and he was dealt a tough hand.

However, the excuses are starting to wear thin, he’s got us playing with the handbrake on, there’s absolutely no excuses in the world that will convince me this squad should be near the bottom of the league in terms of chances created and expected goals.

[ClaretJimmy]

What is the old saying about the table doesn't lie? People might not like it and we're not steamrolling teams, but we are second in the division. The manager deserves the season as a minimum, then see where we are

[scamander]

Just a couple observations - a rule for creating content on YouTube is to make it controversial. I'm on there (ancient history) and the common strategy you are told which works is a clickbait headline/graphic and controversial angle. Just for clarity I don't go down that route but it's very common once you notice it. For example, a video about our league position vs recent performances:
"Scott Parker, getting the team to tick" versus
"Parker out by Xmas? Are we the worst top 2 side EVER?"

Now as for sacking, just consider how that would make us look to other managers. Do you think it would suggest we are a good stable option or car crash circus?

[RVclaret]

Are you actually being serious?

Yeah, if someone is using xG in their argument against me then it’s worth using it back when I know I’m right, it cuts out biases.

Yes he is, imagine comparing a side that is near the bottom in terms of XG, shots on target and chances created with that Kompany side.

101 points, 87 goals and 29 wins in 46 games.

Trying to compare the two sides is the most disingenuous bullshit, it’s an absolute insult to that heroic Kompany side to be compared to this blunt ponderous bag of crap.

It’s a comparison between the performance against QPR and other similar, if not worse, types of performances under VK. They happened, there’s no disguising that. Stylistically it was near the exact same but we didn’t have someone (Benson or JBG) to come on and win the game.

[Dyched]

[quote=taio post_id=2438591 time=<a href="tel:1729984391">1729984391</a> user_id=260]
Are you actually being serious?

Yeah, if someone is using xG in their argument against me then it’s worth using it back when I know I’m right, it cuts out biases.
[quote=KRBFC post_id=2438601 time=<a href="tel:1729988907">1729988907</a> user_id=335]


Yes he is, imagine comparing a side that is near the bottom in terms of XG, shots on target and chances created with that Kompany side.

101 points, 87 goals and 29 wins in 46 games.

Trying to compare the two sides is the most disingenuous bullshit, it’s an absolute insult to that heroic Kompany side to be compared to this blunt ponderous bag of crap.
[/quote]
It’s a comparison between the performance against QPR and other similar, if not worse, types of performances under VK. They happened, there’s no disguising that. Stylistically it was near the exact same but we didn’t have someone (Benson or JBG) to come on and win the game.
[/quote]


100% this. People think we steamrollered every opponent and that’s far from the case.

21 times out of 46 in the VK season we scored 1 or 0 goals.

13 times we scored 3 or more goals.

[Mattster]

Similar ones

Stoke away 0.5 xG 63% possession
Coventry home 0.6, 64%
Preston away 0.4, 71%
Cardiff away 0.9, 60%
Coventry away 0.8, 60%
Blackpool away 0.6, 76%
Reading home 1.2, 70%

Ones where a worldie / luck / penalty was needed without much chance creation

Sunderland away 0.7, 4 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Wigan away 0.8, 5 goals
Boro home 0.9, 3 goals (Benson scores a cross)
Luton away 1.3, 1 goal (pen)

Other tight games that Benson turned around / won on his own after being subbed on (won’t count these)

Millwall, Blackburn away, Rotherham home

I’ve probably missed a few off (Twine winning the WBA home game with a free kick after a pretty difficult, low chance game) but 10 out of 46 there plus the 3 where a sub changed the game (we had much worse ones today), so can we stick with ‘many’ rather than ‘some’? Today was actually a better performance than the majority of those games (xGD >) without the clinical final third play. So no, not revising anything, merely an objective view.

Took one look at this list, saw Wigan on it and instantly knew you are looking at xG by itself without any consideration of the actual performances/quality of chances created. Like I said, revising that season down in an attempt to delude yourself what we're witnessing is anywhere near similar.

We scored 5 open play goals in that game, all within the penalty area, 3 of them within central area of the box with 2 of them between the penalty spot and the six yard box.

But yeah, that was really similar to yesterday where we didn't even have 5 open play shots attempts from anywhere inside the area

[watsonsclarets]

Wow, football has finally gone mad- Kompany gets Burnley relegated and gets a top European job because of the style he adopts - Scott Parker gets Burnley to 2nd in the league with a brand new squad by and large who are finding their feet but are working hard.

Are we now all about style over substance? Do not get me wrong; I was as annoyed as anybody yesterday. We did not score, but have we now become so entitled that we can't see the woods from the trees?

[SydneyClaret]

Absolute bllx that. I would rather we stayed down and played progressive football. could not give a monkeys about promotion but as I said on the "Zzzzzz" thread this is not good to watch. Still think SP will get us promoted but it's dire football.

Yeah let’s play fancy VK football, stay down and go bankrupt in 2 seasons. We are playing the type of football suited to the players we have. We are 2nd in the league. The board sold all the best players, not Parker.

Nothing to whinge about. Who in the championship is playing better football than us. Really. Would you rather we played like QPR and just parked the bus last week at Sheffield Wednesday.

[Quicknick]

As I keep saying, we will win the division with Leeds second.

[RVclaret]

Took one look at this list, saw Wigan on it and instantly knew you are looking at xG by itself without any consideration of the actual performances/quality of chances created. Like I said, revising that season down in an attempt to delude yourself what we're witnessing is anywhere near similar.

We scored 5 open play goals in that game, all within the penalty area, 3 of them within central area of the box with 2 of them between the penalty spot and the six yard box.

But yeah, that was really similar to yesterday where we didn't even have 5 open play shots attempts from anywhere inside the area

We scored 5 goals from 7 shots with less total xG than yesterday (1.2) which further backs up my point that we had far more clinical finishing. The game was also a bit more open with Wigan being the worst team in the league by a distance and them trying to play a bit (possession 54/46) unlike the 11 players QPR had in their own third for most of the game - so not the most like for like example, the others above are better.

[Mattster]

Wow, football has finally gone mad- Kompany gets Burnley relegated and gets a top European job because of the style he adopts - Scott Parker gets Burnley to 2nd in the league with a brand new squad by and large who are finding their feet but are working hard.

Are we now all about style over substance? Do not get me wrong; I was as annoyed as anybody yesterday. We did not score, but have we now become so entitled that we can't see the woods from the trees?

Here comes the "entitled" thing again, stating anyone not happy wants "style over substance"

I'll make the same point I have before:

I don't know whether people are being obtuse or just failing to comprehend when they make comments about some fans being entitled.

I don't think anyone is wanting "more attractive" football. The fans that have issues with how we're playing are mostly frustrated we don't (or didn't, if indeed this weekend was a turning point) create any chances.

For all I care we could play route one, lump it and hope if it was creating chances. It was not about the football being "attractive", it was about looking like we can actually, consistently, score goals. In that respect this weekend was a significant step forwards, let's hope we build on that.