Parker - In or Out

[Jakubs Tash]

Some good comments that I kind of agree with. My issue is that we committed to a manager and we shouldn't be considering his employment status so quickly.

Falling down the table could actually be to our benefit in the long run. I'm sure the recruitment team know they need options in January. Look at the chase for Conway in August.

I'll give him time but I watched us in Div 4 so might have more patience than some on here.

Yes, I also remember the 4th division days as I started watching in the 80’s….. My favourite players back then were Paul Comstive and Chris Pearce.

I would suggest it’s all relative though. The current manager has inherited an excellent squad for this level, has spent a very significant chunk of money as well and we are struggling to work the opposition goalkeeper in virtually every match we play.

PS What “chase” for Conway? We were linked and that’s as far as it went as far as I could tell and I followed it very closely on Twitter/X.

[Jakubs Tash]

I wouldn’t say it’s solely Parker sucking the life out of the club, all comes down to the ownership and the many backwards decisions they make, to the price of food in the ground to the silly membership scheme where you can have a B branded cap

Nobody would give a monkeys about those things if the team were winning and scoring goals. We can’t even muster a shot on target in some matches under this manager.

[warksclaret]

Whats hard to quantify is how much of this is down to nearly 40 incomings and outgoings last window. Parker was dealt a bad hand-whilst people say Parker knew what he was coming into, I doubt if Pace would have predicted or told him the numbers. With some very late departures there were only days to get in new faces, bearing in mind the season was underway by then

By contrast Sheff Utd brought Wilder a new manager in during the last season. He had time to appraise his team, and was able to plan a clear out of the old guard during the window and bring in some very shrewd purchases. Cooper, Gilchrist, Burrows, Soutter are very good Championship players. They already had two prominent midfielders in Hamer and Souza, but then two very good free transfers-O Hare and Tyrese Campbell who is showing great potential-and I see their team getting stronger and scoring regularly

[JimmyRobbo]

Yes, I also remember the 4th division days as I started watching in the 80’s….. My favourite players back then were Paul Comstive and Chris Pearce.

I would suggest it’s all relative though. The current manager has inherited an excellent squad for this level, has spent a very significant chunk of money as well and we are struggling to work the opposition goalkeeper in virtually every match we play.

PS What “chase” for Conway? We were linked and that’s as far as it went as far as I could tell and I followed it very closely on Twitter/X.

Yes, those ex Wrexham, Port Vale, (maybe Blackburn?) players were excellent for us after our fall was arrested. I was, unfortunately, watchiing during the collapse under Cavanagh and Miller yet still was an avid supporter. Tough times to hang onto anything.

I agree with a lot of what you say. This is a very good squad. They need something up front to aim at. VK did OK without but he had aged and experienced professionals in Barnes, (a younger) JR and Cork as leaders. I'll giv He Parker chance to get a proper striker/CF. It could be the difference. TC chase was real. He wanted to go up north.

[taio]

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[Cooclaret]

In

Good post.

Why do people (and it’s the same ones) feel the need to ruin every thread by turning it into the playground or nostalgia?

Stick to the OP!

[Leisure]

Good post.

Why do people (and it’s the same ones) feel the need to ruin every thread by turning it into the playground or nostalgia?

Stick to the OP!

Thought that's what he had done by saying 'In' in reply to the thread title question? Or maybe I'm missing something? Anyway, In.

[bfcjg]

Out. No excuses,it's not like today was a one off. I posted earlier we should have gone with attack minded Bellamy.

Posted this after Millwall, I admit I was wrong and overreacted without looking at the bigger picture, I'm solidily now in the IN camp. We are growing and getting better, really excited now about what we bring in during the transfer window to make our attack as potent as our defence.

[RVclaret]

In

[Firthy]

Definitely in. Some of the passing out of defence and build up play in the second half yesterday was great to watch. Imagaine how good we could be if we had a striker who could hit the target and convert the chances we made.

[mdd2]

I agree the football isnt as exciting as VK in 2022-23 and we are unlikely to emulate those results and performances with a total of 101 points but after 18 games last time we had the following stats at home and away compared with this season
P W D L F A Pts P W D L F A Pts P W D L F A PTS
9 5 4 0 17 8 19 9 4 4 1 15 8 16 18 9 8 1 32 24 35 2022-23
8 5 3 0 12 2 18 10 5 3 2 11 4 18 18 10 6 2 23 6 36 2024-25

It may also be argued we have not played as many top teams at this stage as last time. I am not sure of that, only that we have played 7 teams currently in the top 12 but 5 of them away.
Cannot in all honesty at this stage call for SP to be sacked. By the time of the end of the transfer window we had lost 6 players who were involved in the first few games plus Berge who never played this season for us whilst VK had most of his squad together before the season started.

[Anonymous Claret]

Posted this after Millwall, I admit I was wrong and overreacted without looking at the bigger picture, I'm solidily now in the IN camp. We are growing and getting better, really excited now about what we bring in during the transfer window to make our attack as potent as our defence.

Thanks for your honesty and humility bfcjg.

A very big IN btw from me.

[Mattster]

VK had most of his squad together before the season started.

Except for Tella, Beyer, Benson, Zaroury and Vitinho who all joined after the season started.

[mdd2]

Except for Tella, Beyer, Benson, Zaroury and Vitinho who all joined after the season started.

Vitinho played against Huddersfield in the first match, Benson in the second match and Tella was with us by game 3. This season we lost several players who played in the intial 2 games. Pretty sure we had lost most of the players we would have preferred to keep before a ball was kicked-Pope Mee Tarks, Collins, Cornet, McNeill.
Whereas look at the first teamers who left after the first game this season.

[Cooclaret]

Thought that's what he had done by saying 'In' in reply to the thread title question? Or maybe I'm missing something? Anyway, In.

I can see the plankishness in my reply!

Good post wasn’t sarcastic, it was a genuine compliment to sticking to the OP.

[hoosier-daddy]

It's never been an Out because I'm not thick.

He's gone through one hell of a transfer window and had 11 of his players injured. Yet he currently has us 2nd.

[fatboy47]

It's never been an Out because I'm not thick.

This
That's about the strength of it.

Why on earth is it being debated?

[Mattster]

Vitinho played against Huddersfield in the first match, Benson in the second match and Tella was with us by game 3. This season we lost several players who played in the intial 2 games. Pretty sure we had lost most of the players we would have preferred to keep before a ball was kicked-Pope Mee Tarks, Collins, Cornet, McNeill.
Whereas look at the first teamers who left after the first game this season.

My mistake with Vitinho. But that's still 4 absolutely key players in the squad that joined after the start of the season. Players that account for over 40% of our goals that season (much higher if you factor in assists too).

Cornet was sold after season started, without playing a game, much like Berge. McNeil was sold the day before the season started.

[Blyclaret]

My comment was more about what he must be thinking behind the scenes, he must be very aware of the unrest that is building among fans.

One of his core objectives is to sell the club around the world, to build our brand globally. Scott Parker is almost certainly the worst choice to help spread the brand. The brand isn't even popular in Burnley at the minute!

This is the guy thats responsible for starting the Parker out bullshite.
Hes quite now.

[HurstGrangeClaret]

Once a manager has been appointed, you have to stick by him and give him time to impose himself on the squad.
The situation has already been summed up in earlier posts- a massive IN from me.

[123EasyasBFC]

This is the guy thats responsible for starting the Parker out bullshite.
Hes quite now.

Was hoping they were quiet now because their account had finally been banned

[taio]

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[louieollie]

Dear oh dear oh dear .......

burnley007 wrote: ↑
My comment was more about what he must be thinking behind the scenes, he must be very aware of the unrest that is building among fans.

One of his core objectives is to sell the club around the world, to build our brand globally. Scott Parker is almost certainly the worst choice to help spread the brand. The brand isn't even popular in Burnley at the minute!

Has this fellow gone back to Ewood then? ..............very quiet these days THANK CHRIST!

[leelad]

Parker most definitely and emphatically in

It's my first post on this thread, have watched this thread develop in the early part of this season.
I questioned why this post was set up in the first place. I accept that the performances of the team were iffy in the first couple of months of the season, but things take time to develop and the squad (let's face it) was not formed until game 5 of this season.

As football fans, we have to accept that managers need time to develop a formula (whatever that maybe) to win games. It's different to what we saw at times under VK, and has differences to SD, but I do think now SP is starting to know who his best 11 are (and there are players waiting to come back from injury as well).

Enjoy the ride Clarets for the second half of the season as I do think there are further improvements to come and more importantly, let's be patient as well with how this squad continues to develop. UTC.

[Bigvince]

Is this thread still a thing?

[TsarBomba]

Our biggest win of the season, probably best performance too, and the board is dead. Shame there isn’t as much gusto praising the boys as there is criticising, but that’s society these days.

[mybloodisclaret]

Seriously, where is 007, he apologised for being such a sulky entitled child, then we chucked a bad performance in against Derby, I think he lost his head againg big time but since then we haven't looked back, and he hasn't been seen.

Come on 007, admit it, you and Shaggy are wrong.

PARKER IN!!!

[ArmchairDetective]

In

[NewClaret]

Our biggest win of the season, probably best performance too, and the board is dead. Shame there isn’t as much gusto praising the boys as there is criticising, but that’s society these days.

I’ve noticed this. Crazy how busy this site is when we lose or draw and quiet when we win. It does make you wonder!

[Guller Bull]

I’ve noticed this. Crazy how busy this site is when we lose or draw and quiet when we win. It does make you wonder!

What makes you wonder?

It has always been like that. It’s the same as any football forum anywhere. That’s what it’s built for, for expressing emotion and difference of opinion. Pretty tedious world if we all thought and did the same.

[willsclarets]

What makes you wonder?

It has always been like that. It’s the same as any football forum anywhere. That’s what it’s built for, for expressing emotion and difference of opinion. Pretty tedious world if we all thought and did the same.

Some people have literally disappeared since Flemmings goal at Norwich. Of course it would be tedious if everyone had the same opinion, there's nothing wrong with criticism.

But the reactionary nonsense on here is so much more tedious than anything else. Players getting ridiculous 3s, threads on players like the 21 year old Hannibal, calls for the managers head etc. They're not really thought out opinions they're just toddler tears. I don't think I've seen such a lack of bigger picture on here ever considering the summer especially.

And it would only take a few bad results in December and Jan to have them all flood back throwing the baby out with the bathwater again.

[TPClaret]

Ludicrous that people were losing their nerve after less than half a season. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Think in general people have no patience these days and want instant success, not just in football but in everything. You have to work for success, I think people want it handed on a plate.

[Clovius Boofus]

Please have a heart. This must be an awful time for the UTC doomers.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I can see why he got potted after 8 games in Belgium.

The Fulham and Bournemouth fans were spot on the football we play is not even as good as Southgate slop.

Even the fact sky can't big it up should give you a clue how good it is.

Like the guy but his football is atrocious boring crap.

[Clovius Boofus]

I'll file the above post under Poe's law.

[ElectroClaret]

I can see why he got potted after 8 games in Belgium.

The Fulham and Bournemouth fans were spot on the football we play is not even as good as Southgate slop.

Even the fact sky can't big it up should give you a clue how good it is.

Like the guy but his football is atrocious boring crap.

[mdd2]

Results are what matter. We have the same number of points after 23 games as with VK W13 D8 L2 GD now 21 then 22 ( I think)
Scored 46 conceded 24 with VK. This time F30 A9
As a poster above stated this is the way SD started out, grinding results from a tight defence

[ClaretLoup]

Given the amount of offensive players stripped out of the club in the last window, I don’t think Parker had too many options other than to build the team from the back line and then try and develop a more offensive style of play.

[NewClaret]

What makes you wonder?

It has always been like that. It’s the same as any football forum anywhere. That’s what it’s built for, for expressing emotion and difference of opinion. Pretty tedious world if we all thought and did the same.

It makes you wonder how many on here with extreme views are actually Burnley fans when they, say, disappear after a big win.

Maybe it does happen on other boards, I don’t know. Other than a cursory glance from time to time I don’t pay much attention to other messages boards. I just find it a bit odd that the highs - of which yesterday was definitely one, beating top of the league away - aren’t met with the same emotion as something so terrible as a draw.

I have no issue with others having different views, or expressing them here. Would be good if they’d debate them consistently though.

[bumba]

I can see why he got potted after 8 games in Belgium.

The Fulham and Bournemouth fans were spot on the football we play is not even as good as Southgate slop.

Even the fact sky can't big it up should give you a clue how good it is.

Like the guy but his football is atrocious boring crap.

Strange view.

I've heard nothing but praise from pundits, ex pros and neutrals unlike our fan base.
He's doing an excellent job with half a squad unavailable all season.

[TsarBomba]

I can see why he got potted after 8 games in Belgium.

The Fulham and Bournemouth fans were spot on the football we play is not even as good as Southgate slop.

Even the fact sky can't big it up should give you a clue how good it is.

Like the guy but his football is atrocious boring crap.

Give me this ‘atrocious, boring crap’ every day of the week.

We have a manager that doesn’t put himself before the club, has built a team in a very short space of time despite having the rug pulled from under him, is tactically astute, knows how to set up a defence, and has instilled some values back into the players and club. This club was a proper basket case in the summer.

Yes, there’s still lots of improvement to be had, but what Parker has done in a matter of months is remarkable, and I hope he is here for many years to come.

[warksclaret]

Doing an unbelievable job. I was so down after 16 of the squad exited, with only a week of the window to go, and a new manager. Feared the worst, but one look at the table today and it tells you everything. But funnily what I like about him is that he does not look "shifty" unlike someone we knew, and its the honesty I like most about SP

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Strange view.

I've heard nothing but praise from pundits, ex pros and neutrals unlike our fan base.
He's doing an excellent job with half a squad unavailable all season.

Feels like watching a team grind results out even when the players should be levels above the opposition.

I gave him a lot of credit early doors on here you can check my posts. I reiterate i like the guy, comes across well.

I haven't seen any improvement in performances what i have watched, its a really hard watch with no skill on show or two crosses a game like yesterday.

Its not even anti football i cant give it a name as ive never seen football played in such a dull way before. Passing for the sake of passing. Running around in circles with little passes that get nowhere.

Its not exciting its not fast its like watching paint dry. At least with VK's obsession with passing backwards they had a go attacking a few times a game after each player had touched it 100 times.

I wont be watching the next few games as its waste of time, each to their own, Pace hasnt got a clue what hes doing evidently if and when we get promoted, cant see this style doing anything in the prem.

[Cornwallclaret]

Wow.. bye then you will not be missed. This must be a late entry into ‘the worst post of 2024’ competition

[NL Claret]

Haven’t bothered reading much of the recent posts however the old classic line has been rolled out again. Fulham and Bournemouth fans warned us. Think someone might be on a bit of wind up, pretty sure post of his posts are more like casts.

[Clovius Boofus]

Looks like 007 is back.

[The Shire Claret]

Feels like watching a team grind results out even when the players should be levels above the opposition.

I gave him a lot of credit early doors on here you can check my posts. I reiterate i like the guy, comes across well.

I haven't seen any improvement in performances what i have watched, its a really hard watch with no skill on show or two crosses a game like yesterday.

Its not even anti football i cant give it a name as ive never seen football played in such a dull way before. Passing for the sake of passing. Running around in circles with little passes that get nowhere.

Its not exciting its not fast its like watching paint dry. At least with VK's obsession with passing backwards they had a go attacking a few times a game after each player had touched it 100 times.

I wont be watching the next few games as its waste of time, each to their own, Pace hasnt got a clue what hes doing evidently if and when we get promoted, cant see this style doing anything in the prem.

That first goal was absolutely superb yesterday in the build up against the second best defense in the league only to us...

Also, the second goal against Watford was even better and fantastic football skill on show

You are entitled to your view of course but it's not one I can get with at all... There have been boring games this season but only Derby in the last few have been poor and that's due to teams coming for a point - it happened under VK too.

There is a very valid reason for all the passing and it's not just Burnley who do it but if you gain control of the game and get the opposition chasing then you test their fitness and break them down

Maybe you don't like modern day football ?

[ClaretLoup]

I wont be watching the next few games as its waste of time, each to their own, Pace hasnt got a clue what hes doing evidently if and when we get promoted, cant see this style doing anything in the prem.

Great news for the people sitting near you, probably in your living room.

Conversely I am looking forward immensely to visiting the Riverside and can’t think of a better place to be than a packed Turf Moor on NYD hopefully cheering the lads on to another three points.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Seems the needle has reached the level of David Koresh and his followers like Dyche's last season

Garlic come back all is forgiven.

[Row x]

Feels like watching a team grind results out even when the players should be levels above the opposition.

I gave him a lot of credit early doors on here you can check my posts. I reiterate i like the guy, comes across well.

I haven't seen any improvement in performances what i have watched, its a really hard watch with no skill on show or two crosses a game like yesterday.

Its not even anti football i cant give it a name as ive never seen football played in such a dull way before. Passing for the sake of passing. Running around in circles with little passes that get nowhere.

Its not exciting its not fast its like watching paint dry. At least with VK's obsession with passing backwards they had a go attacking a few times a game after each player had touched it 100 times.

I wont be watching the next few games as its waste of time, each to their own, Pace hasnt got a clue what hes doing evidently if and when we get promoted, cant see this style doing anything in the prem.

At least if you're not watching we won't have to read your drivel.