January Transfer Window Rumours

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:34 pm
Surely you don't mean Nathan "Bambi on ice" Collins?

Yep, he was liability a few years back and he’s slowly chopped that side of his game out.

Him and Van der Berg are both unbelievable cbs now.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:06 pm

Several posters suggesting Shelvey deal to go ahead, and seemingly coming from Plymouth fans that a final take it or leave it offer has been sent for Whittaker at £12m. Not sure if they are in anyway reliable or just Chinese whispers but a few passing them about on Twitter.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:08 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:12 pm
Esteve is great arguably one of the best cbs in the league. But the standard of premier league centre backs is at an all time high.

In all seriousness what team does he get in at the bottom of the table (outside bottom three).

Not sure he gets in at Wolves (there usual three of Doherty, Bueno and Nouri are so rapid and good on the ball).

Everton. Probably be fourth choice.

Spurs. Again probably 4th choice.

West Ham. Again probably 4th choice.

United. Possibly 5th choice.

Palace. Fourth choice

Brentford. Got to fantastic young cbs in Collins and Van Der Berg. Possibly third choice.

Fulham. Again probably 4th choice.

Before I get dogs abuse, I am a massive fan of Esteve I think he has got a very very bright future ahead. But right now (apart from the bottom three clubs) I don’t think he starts for any other premier league side.

You said this two days ago

"Esteve is an excellent defender, the biggest thing that will hold back his career will be his ability on the ball.

If he had Egan Riley’s passing ability I would agree he could go to the top. Right now I think a Crystal Palace or Brentford (mid table is probably where he’s at)"

In one day Brentford and Palace have suddenly better defenders?

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:08 pm

I feel like Newcastle’s claims should come with a community note.

“Unbelievable” CB pairing at the heart of one of the leakiest defences in the PL.

PL CBs at an “all time high” in a season where more goals are conceded than in all-bar one season in the last 30-odd.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:10 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:08 pm
I feel like Newcastle’s claims should come with a community note.

“Unbelievable” CB pairing at the heart of one of the leakiest defences in the PL.

PL CBs at an “all time high” in a season where more goals are conceded the in all-bar one season in the last 30-odd.

It’s full on Kammy with everything being unbelievable!

It’s rare as hen’s teeth that something stated as being unbelievable is actually beyond belief!

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:13 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm
Yep, he was liability a few years back and he’s slowly chopped that side of his game out.

Him and Van der Berg are both unbelievable cbs now.

Only 5 teams in the Premier League have conceded more goals than Brentford.

matttheclaret · Post by **matttheclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:15 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:13 pm
Only 5 teams in the Premier League have conceded more goals than Brentford.

Just beat me to this.

They concede a lot of goals for a team whose centre backs are "unbelievable"

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:18 pm

Apparently weve now signed shelby

KernowHouseClaret · Post by **KernowHouseClaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:22 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:18 pm
Apparently weve now signed shelby

Which one? I'd prefer Tommy, but knowing us it's probably Arthur or John (RIP, went far too soon in season 4)

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:23 pm

Think I’d prefer Carroll

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:25 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:23 pm
Think I’d prefer Carroll

He'd certainly speed our play up...

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:29 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:08 pm
I feel like Newcastle’s claims should come with a community note.

“Unbelievable” CB pairing at the heart of one of the leakiest defences in the PL.

PL CBs at an “all time high” in a season where more goals are conceded than in all-bar one season in the last 30-odd.

Look where Brentford are in the table. There leaking goals because of there system. Individually they are Great players.

Similar to how we are so great defensively because of our system.

By your own logic surely Esteve is crap then? He was a part of one of the worst defences in the premier league last year.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:29 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:08 pm
You said this two days ago

"Esteve is an excellent defender, the biggest thing that will hold back his career will be his ability on the ball.

If he had Egan Riley’s passing ability I would agree he could go to the top. Right now I think a Crystal Palace or Brentford (mid table is probably where he’s at)"

In one day Brentford and Palace have suddenly better defenders?

I think he is at that level. Not sure he starts for them.

Your conflating two topics

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:42 pm

Nicon saying Boro have bid 5m plus add ons for whittaker

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:29 pm
Look where Brentford are in the table. There leaking goals because of there system. Individually they are Great players.

Similar to how we are so great defensively because of our system.

By your own logic surely Esteve is crap then? He was a part of one of the worst defences in the premier league last year.

I never said any of them were crap and I never described Esteve as “unbelievable” last season either.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:56 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm
Yep, he was liability a few years back and he’s slowly chopped that side of his game out.

Him and Van der Berg are both unbelievable cbs now.

You are far more knowledgeable of Premier League footballers than I am so what was his 'liability ' and what has he done to 'chop' it from his game?

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:56 pm

Article here from local Plymouth press on the Whittaker situation. Looks like there is reasonable leverage for both sides. From this article, it seems Plymouth need to sell now to draw in funds before the deadline and improve the squad across the board. And his value will go down in the summer if they keep and get relegated.

Less favourable for us is Swansea's sell on fee.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/ ... er-9874621

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:58 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:42 pm
Nicon saying Boro have bid 5m plus add ons for whittaker

This is the thing, while people may feel 12m is steep for Whittaker, if you say 7m upfront and 5m of add ons relating to promotion, then it actually looks a decent bit of business.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:01 pm

Reading Plymouth’s forum, they are looking to make bids for 2 players, one at Lincoln and one at Blackpool. Their fans think they have too many wingers/attackers, so selling Whittaker makes sense from a financial and squad perspective.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:21 pm

YP saying that Nixon says Boro in for Whittaker

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/f ... ey-4951400

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:40 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:49 pm
Can’t really judge Le Fee at Sunderland yet, he’s only played one game

He played well. Surprised Sunderland have managed to get him (other than having worked with Le Bris before). Apparently, there's an obligation to buy clause if the Mackems go up (£20m).

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:29 pm
Look where Brentford are in the table. There leaking goals because of there system. Individually they are Great players.

Similar to how we are so great defensively because of our system.

By your own logic surely Esteve is crap then? He was a part of one of the worst defences in the premier league last year.

Our defence was much better second half of the season coinciding with his arrival. He was probably our best player with Berge then as well

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:12 pm
Esteve is great arguably one of the best cbs in the league. But the standard of premier league centre backs is at an all time high.

In all seriousness what team does he get in at the bottom of the table (outside bottom three).

Not sure he gets in at Wolves (there usual three of Doherty, Bueno and Nouri are so rapid and good on the ball).

Everton. Probably be fourth choice.

Spurs. Again probably 4th choice.

West Ham. Again probably 4th choice.

United. Possibly 5th choice.

Palace. Fourth choice

Brentford. Got to fantastic young cbs in Collins and Van Der Berg. Possibly third choice.

Fulham. Again probably 4th choice.

Before I get dogs abuse, I am a massive fan of Esteve I think he has got a very very bright future ahead. But right now (apart from the bottom three clubs) I don’t think he starts for any other premier league side.

Wolves usual 3 of Doherty, Bueno and Ait Nouri

Just about sums up your football knowledge, Ait Nouri is a left wing back and Doherty is a right wing back filling in.

Wolves usual 3 was Toti, Dawson and Bueno. They signed Agbadhou from the French league. Toti is out injured atm.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:54 pm

The standard in the PL is nowhere near an all time high.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:04 pm
Yep, he was liability a few years back and he’s slowly chopped that side of his game out.

Him and Van der Berg are both unbelievable cbs now.

Perhaps you want to ask their fans what they think of him? His father also drinks in a couple of local bars where I live & is quite friendly with a claret that has posted on here in the past. He does have great things to say about Pace & Burnley F.C.

Bfc · Post by **Bfc** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:30 pm

Stockbrokerbelt, I’m not sure if you’re talking of Collins Senior drinking in a couple off London bars, when he comes over for Brentford games, or whether your talking of his local pub in Leixlip near Dublin. 1 of my Dublin Claret friends, drinks in the same pub. Another Dublin Claret sat next to his dad, after a London away game of ours and Brentford had been at home that day. Both say he is very friendly and talks very well of Burnley.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:35 pm

Sheff Utd confirm Brereton Diaz. agreed a deal with Hertha Berlin for Jonjo Kenny too apparently

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:12 pm

Shelvey

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:15 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:49 pm
Can’t really judge Le Fee at Sunderland yet, he’s only played one game

He looked good vs us.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:16 am
I agree with most of this, just not Shelvey.
Strange, isn't it? Our apparent tactics depending on two wide men, but none that we have seem able to cross a football.

Humphreys is the only one who can cross accurately....the rest are hit & hope.
Anthony being the worst offender, it's almost like they don't practice it.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:24 pm

West Ham have offered £57m for Jhon Duran.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:28 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:24 pm
West Ham have offered £57m for Jhon Duran.

What on earth….

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:28 pm

Shelvey great signing

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:32 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:21 pm
Humphreys is the only one who can cross accurately....the rest are hit & hope.
Anthony being the worst offender, it's almost like they don't practice it.

Good point re Humphreys. People talk about him being a good defender but not always being the most dangerous in an attacking sense, but at Blackburn he put over our one telling cross of the game and it proved enough and on Friday night he put over another peach which was easily our best cross and led to Brownhill heading down for Flemming to fluff his lines.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:06 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:24 pm
West Ham have offered £57m for Jhon Duran.

That’s a Special Offer Price of Buy One Get One Free.

They’ll end up with Duran Duran.

Peacock-Barrel · Post by **Peacock-Barrel** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:13 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:32 pm
Good point re Humphreys. People talk about him being a good defender but not always being the most dangerous in an attacking sense, but at Blackburn he put over our one telling cross of the game and it proved enough and on Friday night he put over another peach which was easily our best cross and led to Brownhill heading down for Flemming to fluff his lines.

Humphreys is effective because he gets his crosses in quickly. The wingers are constantly switching feet, losing momentum and letting CBs set themselves. Credit to him for it, he said he's been working on it.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:17 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:32 pm
Good point re Humphreys. People talk about him being a good defender but not always being the most dangerous in an attacking sense, but at Blackburn he put over our one telling cross of the game and it proved enough and on Friday night he put over another peach which was easily our best cross and led to Brownhill heading down for Flemming to fluff his lines.

His cross also lead to Brownhill's stooping header within the last few games

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:25 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:06 pm
That’s a Special Offer Price of Buy One Get One Free.

They’ll end up with Duran Duran.

If only they could tempt Rio out of retirement...

Ibahjanner · Post by **Ibahjanner** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:53 pm

Don't hold your breath on Chinese whispers about whittaker. The club know what they want for him and will not sell him if they don't get their valuation. The first reason I say it, the recent accounts released showed 10.5 million in the bank. Whilst this has been earmarked for infrastructure of the academy etc they can use it for any transfers whilst they wait for the efl to decide on the suitability of the new investors in the club.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:55 pm

Ibahjanner wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:53 pm
Don't hold your breath on Chinese whispers about whittaker. The club know what they want for him and will not sell him if they don't get their valuation. The first reason I say it, the recent accounts released showed 10.5 million in the bank. Whilst this has been earmarked for infrastructure of the academy etc they can use it for any transfers whilst they wait for the efl to decide on the suitability of the new investors in the club.

Doesnt seem that long ago that we had £50m in the bank...wonder what happened to it ?.

Row x · Post by **Row x** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:04 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:55 pm
Doesnt seem that long ago that we had £50m in the bank...wonder what happened to it ?.

It's talking about Plymouth

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:13 pm

Decent signing in my opinion Shelvey, Massengo was clearly not getting a look in , so to replace him with Shelvey who has a good passing range , rocket of a shot and a decent set piece I think is good business.

Now let’s go and get some more creativity and goals .

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:13 pm

Will JJ Shelvey be the new Joey Barton?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:23 pm

Leeds, Burnley and Sheffield United are weighing up moves for St. Gallen striker Willem Geubbels

With eight goal involvements in 13 Swiss Super League games this season, the 23-year-old has impressed

Lower tiers on twitter

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:37 pm

Row x wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:04 pm
It's talking about Plymouth

I know

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:48 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:23 pm
Leeds, Burnley and Sheffield United are weighing up moves for St. Gallen striker Willem Geubbels

With eight goal involvements in 13 Swiss Super League games this season, the 23-year-old has impressed

Lower tiers on twitter

How often do these links with 3/4 clubs named come to fruition? Always a bit suspect . You’d be surprised as well if sheff Utd were in for another having gotten both Cannon and Diaz

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:54 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:48 pm
How often do these links with 3/4 clubs named come to fruition? Always a bit suspect . You’d be surprised as well if sheff Utd were in for another having gotten both Cannon and Diaz

Have Sheff United signed Cannon yet?

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:54 pm
Have Sheff United signed Cannon yet?

Deal agreed with Leicester

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:23 pm
Leeds, Burnley and Sheffield United are weighing up moves for St. Gallen striker Willem Geubbels

With eight goal involvements in 13 Swiss Super League games this season, the 23-year-old has impressed

Lower tiers on twitter

Very highly thought of as a young lad I believe.

Was a wonder kid on fm about 5 years ago

Highlight real looks a bit like Hountondji

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:04 pm

Ibahjanner wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:53 pm
Don't hold your breath on Chinese whispers about whittaker. The club know what they want for him and will not sell him if they don't get their valuation. The first reason I say it, the recent accounts released showed 10.5 million in the bank. Whilst this has been earmarked for infrastructure of the academy etc they can use it for any transfers whilst they wait for the efl to decide on the suitability of the new investors in the club.

Hi there Janner.
I don't read your boards but from what's been posted on here recently, specifically with regards to Saturday it sounds like he's lost interest for the Pilgrims.

I am not 100% sure he's what we need to be honest but there seems to be a pursuit of sorts. It's probably worth looking at what happened to us AFTER the season began; around 15 players left, as they wanted out. It happens, often not much clubs can do about it in the end.

We lost players like Berge, Vitinho, Muric, O'Shea, Odebert, quality players but they wanted to leave so left. No point keeping an unhappy asset.

Whether he ends up here or not who knows? Seems Boro are now keen on making a move for him.