Boring Burnley!

[BigChaCha]

That is what a national newspaper calls us and in this podcast, they don't hold back. with words like 'abysmal' used!. It is also a bit of fun to Google 'boring burnley' as we come up with a lot of search results these days for that query.

The reporter who had to endure the game against Leeds says it was the worst game he had ever seen... The most boring match he had ever seen before our match was in 2005 but he went and looked at the stats for that game in 2005 and it had 4 times as many chances as our last game lol.

On the podcast, they said they would never pay to watch us and that they were surprised there were no boos after the game. (That might counter the argument by some here that we get on player's backs). If anything, I am always surprised at how mild and patient we are as fans!

Anyway, here is a link to that podcast: https://www.theguardian.com/football/au ... ly-podcast

[THEWELLERNUT70]

* The Guardian

'nuff said

[burnley007]

Fair assessment of what is essentially an entertainment business.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Fair assessment of what is essentially an entertainment business.

Our games last season averaged over 3 goals per game, I take it you were entertained with that ?

[fatboy47]

A few easy clicks for the Nuardiag I suppose.

[Staniola]

Fair assessment of what is essentially an entertainment business.

It’s not an entertainment business, it’s professional sport, which is essentially, a winning business. We go to watch and support our team do well. If you want guaranteed entertainment, go to the cinema.

[BigChaCha]

by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:34 am

Our games last season averaged over 3 goals per game, I take it you were entertained with that ?

Yeah, because it is that binary and either being dull as dish water or shipping in goals are the only 2 ways to play!

[LincsWoldsClaret]

The Grauniad reviews of sport, cinema, music etc are truly awful and are written to be “edgy” - best avoided.

[Goobs]

It’s not an entertainment business, it’s professional sport, which is essentially, a winning business. We go to watch and support our team do well. If you want guaranteed entertainment, go to the cinema.

Says a man who clearly never went to watch the remake of Psycho

[kentonclaret]

If the Guardian reporter chose that particular match to attend hoping to be “entertained” then they are as thick as porridge. Almost every pundit was predicting a tight top of the table clash, under 2.5 goals, and both teams to score NO.

[evensteadiereddie]

Not sure what you're getting at there, Goobs, but this boring stuff of being in with a damn good shout of promotion and having gone through a pretty torrid run of fixtures unscathed will do me.
Can you imagine the doom and gloom if we'd been beaten by Leeds?
We now have to see off the lesser teams - no means feat - and this whingeing will soon be forgotten.

[BurnleyFC]

I went on the Accy game last night. I’ve been fairly critical of some of our home performances this season, but let me tell you, we look like prime Brazil compared to League 2 football.

[TsarBomba]

Only conceding 15-20 goals all season is pointless if we don’t go up.

All the post match interviews were dominated by our defensive record, but also similarly by our lack of threat up top.

Unfortunately the two go hand in hand, and you can’t talk about one without the other.

Joni McAnuff asked Parker a pointed question about our lack of goals, and it was the first time that I recall Parker really admitting that it’s becoming a bit of a problem, whereas before he has generally said we are ‘nudging’ it along.

Parker and the players know where we need to improve, they’re not stupid, and I think now we’ve got through this run of fixtures the handbrake will come off a little.

[BigChaCha]

by Staniola » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:49 am

It’s not an entertainment business, it’s professional sport, which is essentially, a winning business. We go to watch and support our team do well. If you want guaranteed entertainment, go to the cinema.

Let's see if the board agree with that when alcohol, food, corporate, walk-ons, ticket sales and season ticket take-ups decline over the next year or so!

One of the main reasons they potted a previous manager was because they could see declining crowds when we were in the Premier League in my opinion and if anyone thinks that winning is the only reason for fans to stay loyally, especially younger fans, then they are incredibly naive and are taking support for granted.

The number of times I have heard fans I know say that they would rather spend their hard-earned money going for a meal or similar rather than watching us seems to be growing too. Many blokes would rather go out with their wife than watch Burnley lol, that's how bad it has got.

I know loads who are opting out at the moment, including my 18-year-old son and all his mates and he has been a fan for 10 years! There is zero chance that we keep our fan base playing this type of football at home, let alone expand it and the board isn't stupid, they will know that.

Younger fans today have so many more options and it is far harder to gain their loyalty, they don't have that tribalism, support-at-all-costs mentality that the older generation has... Fans in general are getting older and over 40% of people between 13 and 23 are saying that they're not interested in sport at all, it's a ticking timebomb!

[Big Vinny K]

The Grauniad reviews of sport, cinema, music etc are truly awful and are written to be “edgy” - best avoided.

I see wot you did there !

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Historically this media outlet rarely has a positive word to say on the Clarets and can't wait to put the boot in

[Big Vinny K]

Let's see if the board agree with that when alcohol, food, corporate, walk-ons, ticket sales and season ticket take-ups decline over the next year or so!

One of the main reasons they potted a previous manager was because they could see declining crowds when we were in the Premier League in my opinion and if anyone thinks that winning is the only reason for fans to stay loyally, especially younger fans, then they are incredibly naive and are taking support for granted.

The number of times I have heard fans I know say that they would rather spend their hard-earned money going for a meal or similar rather than watching us seems to be growing too. Many blokes would rather go out with their wife than watch Burnley lol, that's how bad it has got.

I know loads who are opting out at the moment, including my 18-year-old son and all his mates and he has been a fan for 10 years! There is zero chance that we keep our fan base playing this type of football at home, let alone expand it and the board isn't stupid, they will know that.

Younger fans today have so many more options and it is far harder to gain their loyalty, they don't have that tribalism, support-at-all-costs mentality that the older generation has... Fans in general are getting older and over 40% of people between 13 and 23 are saying that they're not interested in sport at all, it's a ticking timebomb!

Hospitality already declined significantly before the start of this season because :

1. The senseless people who work in our commercial department putting up prices ridiculously after we got relegated and sat now there wondering why most weeks it’s half empty

2. Getting spanked at home nearly every week last season in one of the most dismal seasons in our history.

3. Several seasons in the Premier League, VAR, the gap widening between clubs, etc etc….the novelty is simply wearing thin with many fans (not just at our club either)

[Winstonswhite]

I thought it was pretty funny tbh- you can’t really argue with anything they had to say.

1.4 goals on average per game seen at Turf Moor this season. A record since 1922. Impressive.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Let's see if the board agree with that when alcohol, food, corporate, walk-ons, ticket sales and season ticket take-ups decline over the next year or so!

One of the main reasons they potted a previous manager was because they could see declining crowds when we were in the Premier League in my opinion and if anyone thinks that winning is the only reason for fans to stay loyally, especially younger fans, then they are incredibly naive and are taking support for granted.

The number of times I have heard fans I know say that they would rather spend their hard-earned money going for a meal or similar rather than watching us seems to be growing too. Many blokes would rather go out with their wife than watch Burnley lol, that's how bad it has got.

I know loads who are opting out at the moment, including my 18-year-old son and all his mates and he has been a fan for 10 years! There is zero chance that we keep our fan base playing this type of football at home, let alone expand it and the board isn't stupid, they will know that.

Younger fans today have so many more options and it is far harder to gain their loyalty, they don't have that tribalism, support-at-all-costs mentality that the older generation has... Fans in general are getting older and over 40% of people between 13 and 23 are saying that they're not interested in sport at all, it's a ticking timebomb!

If you think that's a situation unique to Burnley and not what is happening nationwide across football that's a pretty nieve opinion too unfortunately

[dandeclaret]

Fair assessment of what is essentially an entertainment business.

It’s a results business…. Always has been, always will be…..

[Bordeauxclaret]

Most Burnley fans have been bored with a lot of our performances this season so it’s not difficult to see why neutrals think it’s boring.

[burnley007]

Let's see if the board agree with that when alcohol, food, corporate, walk-ons, ticket sales and season ticket take-ups decline over the next year or so!

One of the main reasons they potted a previous manager was because they could see declining crowds when we were in the Premier League in my opinion and if anyone thinks that winning is the only reason for fans to stay loyally, especially younger fans, then they are incredibly naive and are taking support for granted.

The number of times I have heard fans I know say that they would rather spend their hard-earned money going for a meal or similar rather than watching us seems to be growing too. Many blokes would rather go out with their wife than watch Burnley lol, that's how bad it has got.

I know loads who are opting out at the moment, including my 18-year-old son and all his mates and he has been a fan for 10 years! There is zero chance that we keep our fan base playing this type of football at home, let alone expand it and the board isn't stupid, they will know that.

Younger fans today have so many more options and it is far harder to gain their loyalty, they don't have that tribalism, support-at-all-costs mentality that the older generation has... Fans in general are getting older and over 40% of people between 13 and 23 are saying that they're not interested in sport at all, it's a ticking timebomb!

I am in that category, which is where so much of my frustration comes from. At least Kompany dreamed big, Parker is the dullest manager on the planet. Fans do not want to watch his football.
Pace is taking a huge risk with the fan-base employing Parker, the repercussions of us not going up this season could be huge with the amount of fans who are finding other things to do with their time...will they come back when things finally change?

[warksclaret]

I hear Ange the Spurs manager was in the stands to see how his team might keep a clean sheet

[kentonclaret]

If people want to be “entertained” go and watch Sheffield Wednesday. They have scored 16 and conceded 15 over their last 8 matches.

[burnley007]

It’s a results business…. Always has been, always will be…..

Are our results really THAT impressive?? Worth being bored to tears every game, gaining a reputation as a team you don't want to ever watch, own fans arguing about whether it's worth it?

I'm not so sure it is...

[Spijed]

I am in that category, which is where so much of my frustration comes from. At least Kompany dreamed big, Parker is the dullest manager on the planet. Fans do not want to watch his football.
Pace is taking a huge risk with the fan-base employing Parker, the repercussions of us not going up this season could be huge with the amount of fans who are finding other things to do with their time...will they come back when things finally change?

Do you think Southampton fans would rather play like they did under Russell Martin or under Scott Parker?

[willsclarets]

It is more of a balance than it used to be, purely based on price. Of you're paying a big chunk of your salary to watch football as a family, then at some point entertainment value comes into it.

The salaries of footballers is obscene, and that cost is passed on to supporters, many of whom simply can't afford it. The net affect of that is you get genuine lovers of a football club being replaced by those who can afford it. And they aren't necessarily as forgiving about results in lieu of being entertained.

If the game was affordable, you would i) filter people in the ground who love the team and the club and ii) Push focus towards results rather than entertainment.

[TsarBomba]

I am in that category, which is where so much of my frustration comes from. At least Kompany dreamed big, Parker is the dullest manager on the planet. Fans do not want to watch his football.
Pace is taking a huge risk with the fan-base employing Parker, the repercussions of us not going up this season could be huge with the amount of fans who are finding other things to do with their time...will they come back when things finally change?

Kompany certainly did dream big. He was more interested in show casing his philosophy than keeping us in the Premier League.

And Pace has taken a huge risk by employing a manager that has got a 100% track record of getting out of this league? Give over.

We’ve negotiated a relegation, ridiculous player turn over, and a new manager extremely well. All of those factors alone can derail a season.

Criticism of our lack of goals is more than justified, but there’s also plenty of positives. There’s work to be done, but we’re pretty much on track and where we ought to be.

If you really think it’s all doom and gloom, I’ll give you the number of my Luton mate and you can speak to him.

[Clovius Boofus]

The Guardian cracks me up. You want to see what they pay some of their columnists to write. They once had an article called How to eat toast.

[BigChaCha]

If people want to be “entertained” go and watch Sheffield Wednesday. They have scored 16 and conceded 15 over their last 8 matches.

Why do we have to keep having these ridiculous extreme analogies to support a narrative? All we want is to not be in the bottom 6 in the league for chances created and not be the worst team out of all 4 leagues for draws at home!

[kentonclaret]

Are our results really THAT impressive?? Worth being bored to tears every game, gaining a reputation as a team you don't want to ever watch, own fans arguing about whether it's worth it?

I'm not so sure it is...

Just 9 goals conceded over 29 Championship matches smashing all existing English Football League records! Why do pundits on Sky remark “What Burnley are doing is absolutely astonishing” when referencing our defensive record if as you claim it’s not really THAT Impressive?

[kentonclaret]

Why do we have to keep having these ridiculous extreme analogies to support a narrative? All we want is to not be in the bottom 6 in the league for chances created and not be the worst team out of all 4 leagues for draws at home!

For the last 2 PL seasons under Dyche Burnley were 1 of the 3 lowest scoring teams.

[Ptgclaret]

Other point - it's not exactly exciting the kids. Both mine have no interest in coming on the turf again after going to watch a handful of boring, laborious games at the start of the season. They saw us get a few spankings last season and now this.

They're both football mad - this Christmas neither wanted a Burnley shirt. The oldest especially will watch other teams all the time on TV.

If you want fans in the future, you need to win them over.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Yeah, because it is that binary and either being dull as dish water or shipping in goals are the only 2 ways to play!

This is true but it is also the kind of question some dullards deserve who have gone into meltdown during and since the Leeds game.

I imagine almost everyone would have taken the points tally we just have from those last 9 games, same as everyone would have taken a point on Monday.

Was the game good - no, does it need the drama queen reactions we have had since the game ended no as well.

The weirdest part for me is those whining about the game while watching it on TV, use your remote and watch something which could be classed in the entertainment category and enjoy your viewing.

[BigChaCha]

by kentonclaret » Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:06 am

For the last 2 PL seasons under Dyche Burnley were 1 of the 3 lowest scoring teams.

Now that is a slightly better comparison but still silly... It is fairer to compare Parker to the SD era I suppose but definitely not to compare it to a Premier League season, that's just daft...

Instead, let's compare us to SD and VKs Championship promotion seasons and then see where your stats are at lol... In fact, don't bother, they blow this comparable season in terms of a promotion push and being contenders out of the water for most attacking stats.

[BigChaCha]

by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:11 am

I imagine almost everyone would have taken the points tally we just have from those last 9 games, same as everyone would have taken a point on Monday.

Was the game good - no, does it need the drama queen reactions we have had since the game ended no as well.

The weirdest part for me is those whining about the game while watching it on TV, use your remote and watch something which could be classed in the entertainment category and enjoy your viewing.

Have you ever thought they might be upset at yet another draw in a cumulative list of draws that they have had to endure all season? There has to be a breaking point somewhere if it carries on!

As for people watching it on TV and turning it off... They already are! My 18-year-old son has stopped going on because of the football after going on for 10 years and he has tried numerous times to watch it on TV since but has even given up doing that now, it is so bad.

People like you, like you just said, will tell people to not go on or don't bother watching or switch over if they're not entertained which means you are confirming that people are bored and being turned off by the football. That is the whole point of the conversation!

[ClaretPete001]

Gven the current state of the finances and the model ALK runs it is essential that we get promoted and that is the most important point. It's a points business.

Saying that it is deadly dull and the Leeds game was awful. It will affect the gates and that must be a concern. I would also say that if our timid approach costs us a top two position then some of the criticism is warranted.

Two reasons I don't want to criticise Parker is because: (1) I think a competitive, hard to beat team is a good place to start if we do get promoted and (2) we are woefully lacking up front.

I'm not sure why we spent Eur11 million on Lyle Foster because he does not seem a good fit for either a VK or SP team and has not got much of a record to warrant such a fee. And that's not to say he is a bad player by any means he's not it's just hard to see what his role is in the squad.

In the end, given the model ALK runs and the mistakes made in the transfer market we are doing well to be where we are and SP has done a good job so far.

So, yes we are boring but I can see why and if we do get promoted no doubt we can start to resolve the numerous mistakes made during the VK era.

[TPClaret]

Have you ever thought they might be upset at yet another draw in a cumulative list of draws that they have had to endure all season? There has to be a breaking point somewhere if it carries on!

As for people watching it on TV and turning it off... They already are! My 18-year-old son has stopped going on because of the football after going on for 10 years and he has tried numerous times to watch it on TV since but has even given up doing that now, it is so bad.

People like you, like you just said, will tell people to not go on or don't bother watching or switch over if they're not entertained which means you are confirming that people are bored and being turned off by the football. That is the whole point of the conversation!

Wow your son has only being going for 10 years and he’s given up going already. He’s had some of the best years in the last 40. I’ve been watching them 40 odd years and I’ve seen some real crap over the years.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Have you ever thought they might be upset at yet another draw in a cumulative list of draws that they have had to endure all season? There has to be a breaking point somewhere if it carries on!

As for people watching it on TV and turning it off... They already are! My 18-year-old son has stopped going on because of the football after going on for 10 years and he has tried numerous times to watch it on TV since but has even given up doing that now, it is so bad.

People like you, like you just said, will tell people to not go on or don't bother watching or switch over if they're not entertained which means you are confirming that people are bored and being turned off by the football. That is the whole point of the conversation!

Upset ? jesus, we drew a game which everyone would have taken a point from. Had we drawn 5-5 would you less upset or even happy with gaining a point from a 10 goal draw ? Were you ok with the result, performance and entertainment level from the game just 5 days earlier ?

As for my lad has stop going, then lets sack Parker.

Monday was also the biggest home attendance of the season.

[aggi]

It’s a results business…. Always has been, always will be…..

It isn't that simple though is it, it's a combination of results and entertainmnet.

Whether or not our results will be good enough to make up for the lack of entertainment is obviously a close run thing at the moment.

[TPClaret]

100% a results business. Football is so fickle these days. Managers are judged on results. They know if they lose a few they are suddenly out of a job.

[fatboy47]

Weird how the turf is more or less full every game, what with all these fans turning away from the club.

[dandeclaret]

Are our results really THAT impressive?? Worth being bored to tears every game, gaining a reputation as a team you don't want to ever watch, own fans arguing about whether it's worth it?

I'm not so sure it is...

Every game? Is that your argument here, cos it feels less than a week ago that the team scored 5. But maybe that's just in my world. And are the results that impressive? They've lost 2 games all season, and are averaging nigh on 2 points per game. That's very good.

[Big Vinny K]

As always it’s down to a combination of things.
Yes SP was handed a difficult scenario but yes some of this is down to his tactics and his purchases / selections.

It’s undoubtedly boring and frustrating to watch.

But our current ownership and financial model means that going up this year or next is their priority. For an owner who has not even heard of Eric Dier do we really expect them to have an idea that SP does not have a history of his teams playing like Kevin Keegans teams (he won’t have heard of him either)

We are kind of stuck with what we have for now. No merit in getting rid of SP and in no way does he deserve it either. We have had some great away performances too which is extremely enjoyable in this division because of the amount of fans we can take away.

It’s not all doom and gloom - there’s more good than bad. If some of our supporters can’t take that - then it’s up to them. Luckily we have enough fans who can take the ups and downs

[NewClaret]

It’s not an entertainment business, it’s professional sport, which is essentially, a winning business. We go to watch and support our team do well. If you want guaranteed entertainment, go to the cinema.

Even then it’s not really guaranteed at the cinema, is it? You’ll enjoy some films more than you will others.

We won the last game 5-0 away. Very boring, that.

Agree with the other comments that it’s a results business and that’s what counts. It was a good result vs Leeds.

We had a brilliant season under Kompany at Championship level, one I think is often overlooked and under appreciated now, but it was followed up by a terrible one.

Maybe, just maybe, we’ll have a less exciting one this year but a better one next year (if promoted)… which we should keep in mind.

[Spijed]

A comparison between our attendances this season compared to those under VK in the Championship.

[Goliath]

A comparison between our attendances this season compared to those under VK in the Championship.

They aren't actual figures though are they, just how many tickets were sold?

Also, it's a rubbish metric because season tickets were purchased prior to the seasons so the attendances can't really give a true reflection until next season. Obviously if we go up like we did under Kompany then it becomes meaningless because we will probably be sold out most weeks or close to.

Only if we dont go up will we see the real effect of Parkers style on attendances.

[Dyched]

It’s not an entertainment business, it’s professional sport, which is essentially, a winning business. We go to watch and support our team do well. If you want guaranteed entertainment, go to the cinema.

We didn’t win

[dsr]

It’s a results business…. Always has been, always will be…..

More to it than that. If all people were interested in was results, then the Burnley Cricket team would be getting 20,000 on every week as well, because they're a winning side.

People want to win, obviously, but even for the diehards, a large part of the reason they attend is because they want to watch football. If they think they aren't getting football, or not enough of it, then sooner or later they will stop going on.

[dandeclaret]

More to it than that. If all people were interested in was results, then the Burnley Cricket team would be getting 20,000 on every week as well, because they're a winning side.

People want to win, obviously, but even for the diehards, a large part of the reason they attend is because they want to watch football. If they think they aren't getting football, or not enough of it, then sooner or later they will stop going on.

And that argument is totally debunked by Spijed's table above, showing an increase in attendance this year, compared to the last championship season.