Summer transfer window

[alwaysaclaret]

What I noticed the most was his vision and first pass that he gets away like Edwards can do, but looks quicker. A bit of a mix of Koleosho / Edwards in him. As mentioned though very limited footage.

While still only 21, and the highlights of the video on you tube suggest he's got potential, looking at he's recent stats there's nothing to actually suggest he's good enough or ready for an assault on the Premier league this season, and the €14m euros being reported really does seem a big sum.

[Guller Bull]

While still only 21, and the highlights of the video on you tube suggest he's got potential, looking at he's recent stats there's nothing to actually suggest he's good enough or ready for an assault on the Premier league this season, and the €14m euros being reported really does seem a big sum.

Potential is the key word. Few games to showcase his ability this next season and if the worst comes to the worst and we head back down again then "potentially" you have another Odobert fee waiting? Gamble but limited gamble. If not a season in the Championship gets him ready to be big club ready.

[Guller Bull]

Feyenoord faithful feeling faffed off!

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... ve-5195311

[It Is What It Is]

I do like the analytical and player stats approach the club are using to identify players who will strengthen the squad in the right position. I know VK was a big fan of stats. I doubt Sean D was an advocate of it! So is this a relatively new to the club's way of thinking on transfers?

[ollieclarets8]

While still only 21, and the highlights of the video on you tube suggest he's got potential, looking at he's recent stats there's nothing to actually suggest he's good enough or ready for an assault on the Premier league this season, and the €14m euros being reported really does seem a big sum.

The thing is if you look at his minutes played, he's come off the bench in most of his games (might actually be all of his appearances for Lazio last season). This makes any assists/goals vs games a bit skewed.

[HahaYeah]

In for Giorgi Chakvetadze according to the BBC.

Watford midfielder Giorgi Chakvetadze is wanted by the Clarets and fellow Premier League new boys Sunderland, with Birmingham also keen on the 25-year-old Georgian midfielder, who is valued at about £5m. (Sunderland Echo)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 0qjevj495o

[Chester Perry]

I do like the analytical and player stats approach the club are using to identify players who will strengthen the squad in the right position. I know VK was a big fan of stats. I doubt Sean D was an advocate of it! So is this a relatively new to the club's way of thinking on transfers?

Strange thought - given that Dyche made extensive use of stats and recruited analysts into the club - when it came to transfers he also made extensive use of background research on how the player behaved, worked and generally interacted with colleagues etc because he knew he could not afford many failures/bad eggs

[It Is What It Is]

Strange thought - given that Dyche made extensive use of stats and recruited analysts into the club - when it came to transfers he also made extensive use of background research on how the player behaved, worked and generally interacted with colleagues etc because he knew he could not afford many failures/bad eggs

Fair comment CP. Just thought SD went for good experienced old school players on a tight budget

[GetIntoEm]

Fair comment CP. Just thought SD went for good experienced old school players on a tight budget

That's our previous owners. Clearly didn't want to take a risk on young or unproven talent.

We are not doing anything revolutionary, just getting up to modern day standards. Clubs have been using this method for years

[Steddyman]

Strange thought - given that Dyche made extensive use of stats and recruited analysts into the club - when it came to transfers he also made extensive use of background research on how the player behaved, worked and generally interacted with colleagues etc because he knew he could not afford many failures/bad eggs

*cough* Dale Stephen

[JohnDearyMe]

In for Giorgi Chakvetadze according to the BBC.

Watford midfielder Giorgi Chakvetadze is wanted by the Clarets and fellow Premier League new boys Sunderland, with Birmingham also keen on the 25-year-old Georgian midfielder, who is valued at about £5m. (Sunderland Echo)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 0qjevj495o

My Watford supporting mate said he's definitely leaving them this summer. He bumped into him recently and he said he's going back to find, what's left of his world, the world he left behind.

[Steddyman]

While still only 21, and the highlights of the video on you tube suggest he's got potential, looking at he's recent stats there's nothing to actually suggest he's good enough or ready for an assault on the Premier league this season, and the €14m euros being reported really does seem a big sum.

Is your source of recent stats more extensive than the clubs data driven scouting tools?

[clarets1978]

*cough* Dale Stephen

I wouldnt have called Dale Stephens a bad egg..... Danny Drinkwater however......

[mkmel]

My Watford supporting mate said he's definitely leaving them this summer. He bumped into him recently and he said he's going back to find, what's left of his world, the world he left behind.

He's booked the Midnight train I assume

[Jakubs Tash]

While still only 21, and the highlights of the video on you tube suggest he's got potential, looking at he's recent stats there's nothing to actually suggest he's good enough or ready for an assault on the Premier league this season, and the €14m euros being reported really does seem a big sum.

€14m is a lot in Burnley terms but in terms of what other Premier League clubs get for €14m, is it a lot of money?

Other Premier League teams are having punts on players and signing youngsters with promise who will be nowhere near the 1st team for these amounts.

[Steddyman]

I wouldnt have called Dale Stephens a bad egg..... Danny Drinkwater however......

That was in response to the 'failures' portion

[alwaysaclaret]

Is your source of recent stats more extensive than the clubs data driven scouting tools?

Well clearly not, but stats are stats, their there for everyone to see, you can have a look if you want, it will tell you that recently he's nothing to shout about, however I have also said that he looks very good on the video, and looks like he's got bags of potential, so a gamble imo, and is a lot to be shelling out right now for a club like us. We should really be looking at more proven commodities, just my opinion.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

In for Giorgi Chakvetadze according to the BBC.

Watford midfielder Giorgi Chakvetadze is wanted by the Clarets and fellow Premier League new boys Sunderland, with Birmingham also keen on the 25-year-old Georgian midfielder, who is valued at about £5m. (Sunderland Echo)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 0qjevj495o

This would be an exciting signing.

[alwaysaclaret]

€14m is a lot in Burnley terms but in terms of what other Premier League clubs get for €14m, is it a lot of money?

Other Premier League teams are having punts on players and signing youngsters with promise who will be nowhere near the 1st team for these amounts.

Difference is, other Premier league club's have a bit more money to shell out for potential than what we do.
Although I do agree that €14m is not a great amount in the grand scheme of "the Premier league" thing's.

[alwaysaclaret]

Potential is the key word. Few games to showcase his ability this next season and if the worst comes to the worst and we head back down again then "potentially" you have another Odobert fee waiting? Gamble but limited gamble. If not a season in the Championship gets him ready to be big club ready.

Fair point made.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The intriguing things regarding Loum are his age, his position and his goals record.

Obviously bags of improvement given he is so young, he scored quite a few in Serie A for his previous team in 2023/24, and he has played more games up front or as a 2nd striker than on the right wing. So that gives him a lot of versatility.

[Chester Perry]

*cough* Dale Stephen

Was a Dyche target in previous years but suggestions he was just brought in by Garlick/Rigg not Dyche

Drinkwater was also believed to be a Garlick/Rigg rather than Dyche signing

[Chester Perry]

€14m is a lot in Burnley terms but in terms of what other Premier League clubs get for €14m, is it a lot of money?

Other Premier League teams are having punts on players and signing youngsters with promise who will be nowhere near the 1st team for these amounts.

there was an article in the Athletic yesterday where it was said a £20m signing could only be expected to start in a Premier League teams 18th (or below) in the table i posted it in the MMT

Most of this we kind of instinctively know but within this article there are some interesting little stats - like a £20m fee (more than our club has ever paid) for a player makes him only worthy as being a ttarter for a club likely to be relegated (18th placed team). There is also further details that can be seen as indicators as why Olympic Lyonnais have fallen foul of the DNCG

from The Athletic

Premier League clubs have the greatest spending power – but it comes at a cost…
https://archive.ph/YNO1R

[HurstGrangeClaret]

there was an article in the Athletic yesterday where it was said a £20m signing could only be expected to start in a Premier League teams 18th (or below) in the table i posted it in the MMT

If that’s true, that is some stat.
Just shows how much we are up against it, although that doesn’t mean we can’t have a successful season.

[boyyanno]

The problem is the Transfer fee very rarely reflects the ability of the player in my opinion.

Players within their peak are cheaper than young wonderkids because of the potential. I think there's still good players to be had in the 10-20m price bracket providing you do sensible buisness.

[Steddyman]

Well clearly not, but stats are stats, their there for everyone to see, you can have a look if you want, it will tell you that recently he's nothing to shout about, however I have also said that he looks very good on the video, and looks like he's got bags of potential, so a gamble imo, and is a lot to be shelling out right now for a club like us. We should really be looking at more proven commodities, just my opinion.

Sorry, I didn't mean that to sound arsey. I tried to edit it, but it was too late.

My point was ALK's supposed USP is around how it uses data to find and uncover gems. I think we as fans just need to trust them on what they value a player at. They will and have got some wrong, but hopefully they get a lot more right.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

That's not the point I'm making and you know it. I'll trust Pace, Turner and Parker to get the right price for Trafford, if and when we do eventually sell him.

Tbf, you said that you’re glad that anyone prepared to accept £30m + pope isn’t negotiating for the club. You must have a figure in mind to make that statement?

[Chester Perry]

Sorry, I didn't mean that to sound arsey. I tried to edit it, but it was too late.

My point was ALK's supposed USP is around how it uses data to find and uncover gems. I think we as fans just need to trust them on what they value a player at. They will and have got some wrong, but hopefully they get a lot more right.

It is not a USP if everyone is doing it and even Matt Williams has publicly acknowledged that there is nothing new/unique in what ALK/Velocity are doing it - however well or otherwise they may do it

[CrosspoolClarets]

Daily Telegraph reporting this afternoon that Newcastle are doing a triple swoop for Trafford, Pedro and Elanga.

They have bid £25m for Trafford including add ons. A gentleman’s agreement is in place allowing him to leave this summer, but the fee is proving a problem.

At that price - I can see why
Gentleman’s agreements don’t mean he can go on the cheap. Feels at least £10m away from even having a conversation. Unless Parker secretly feels he isn’t up to it yet and needs a better replacement, which I doubt.

[Firthy]

Daily Telegraph reporting this afternoon that Newcastle are doing a triple swoop for Trafford, Pedro and Elanga.

They have bid £25m for Trafford including add ons. A gentleman’s agreement is in place allowing him to leave this summer, but the fee is proving a problem.

At that price - I can see why
Gentleman’s agreements don’t mean he can go on the cheap. Feels at least £10m away from even having a conversation. Unless Parker secretly feels he isn’t up to it yet and needs a better replacement, which I doubt.

I thought we'd already told them £40m was the asking price so not even close.

[randomclaret2]

Daily Telegraph reporting this afternoon that Newcastle are doing a triple swoop for Trafford, Pedro and Elanga.

They have bid £25m for Trafford including add ons. A gentleman’s agreement is in place allowing him to leave this summer, but the fee is proving a problem.

At that price - I can see why
Gentleman’s agreements don’t mean he can go on the cheap. Feels at least £10m away from even having a conversation. Unless Parker secretly feels he isn’t up to it yet and needs a better replacement, which I doubt.

Fabrizio Romano is reporting that Trafford has agreed terms with Newcastle and its a case of reaching an agreement on the fee now.

[randomclaret2]

Daily Telegraph reporting this afternoon that Newcastle are doing a triple swoop for Trafford, Pedro and Elanga.

They have bid £25m for Trafford including add ons. A gentleman’s agreement is in place allowing him to leave this summer, but the fee is proving a problem.

At that price - I can see why
Gentleman’s agreements don’t mean he can go on the cheap. Feels at least £10m away from even having a conversation. Unless Parker secretly feels he isn’t up to it yet and needs a better replacement, which I doubt.

Fabrizio Romano is reporting that Trafford has agreed terms with Newcastle and its a case of reaching an agreement on the fee now which is expected in the next few days

[Newcastleclaret93]

Daily Telegraph reporting this afternoon that Newcastle are doing a triple swoop for Trafford, Pedro and Elanga.

They have bid £25m for Trafford including add ons. A gentleman’s agreement is in place allowing him to leave this summer, but the fee is proving a problem.

At that price - I can see why
Gentleman’s agreements don’t mean he can go on the cheap. Feels at least £10m away from even having a conversation. Unless Parker secretly feels he isn’t up to it yet and needs a better replacement, which I doubt.

Even at 25m that makes him the 8th most expensive keeper in history.

It does seem low though given that city have a sell on clause. I suspect we will end up agreeing around the 30m mark

[northeastclaret]

Fabrizio Romano is reporting that Trafford has agreed terms with Newcastle and its a case of reaching an agreement on the fee now.

Trafford agreed terms 12 months ago , old news, hopefully what isnt agreed is that Newcastle get him on the cheap. Why should they?

[blatherwickstattoos]

€14m is a lot in Burnley terms but in terms of what other Premier League clubs get for €14m, is it a lot of money?

Other Premier League teams are having punts on players and signing youngsters with promise who will be nowhere near the 1st team for these amounts.

We spent about the same amount on Odabert and Koleosho. It’s not a lot of money in football these days and worth the gamble

[Vegas Claret]

no idea if it's legit

[Targetman]

Fabrizio Romano is reporting that Trafford has agreed terms with Newcastle and its a case of reaching an agreement on the fee now which is expected in the next few days

Surely Newcastle and Burnley need to agree on the fee before Newcastle are allowed to discuss personal terms with Trafford, not the other way round?

[alwaysaclaret]

Sorry, I didn't mean that to sound arsey. I tried to edit it, but it was too late.

My point was ALK's supposed USP is around how it uses data to find and uncover gems. I think we as fans just need to trust them on what they value a player at. They will and have got some wrong, but hopefully they get a lot more right.

No worries, and yes all we can do is hope we get it right.

[Milltown1882]

Surely Newcastle and Burnley need to agree on the fee before Newcastle are allowed to discuss personal terms with Trafford, not the other way round?

Those days are long gone.

[Newcastleclaret93]

no idea if it's legit

Be a great signing

[Targetman]

Those days are long gone.

So clubs are now allowed to approach players from other clubs despite them being under contract?

[dcunningham27]

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[burnmark]

Interesting

[claretonthecoast1882]

Interesting

Ornstein is about as reliable as it gets

[RVclaret]

I suggested Tuanzebe on this thread a few weeks ago

Played right back and right centre back in a back 5 for Ipswich. Good player but has had injury issues.

[Milltown1882]

Interesting

Goalkeeper signed
Left back signed
Centre back medical
What's the odds on a right back tomorrow?

[Darnhill Claret]

This news also in The New York Times

[Newcastleclaret93]

I suggested Tuanzebe on this thread a few weeks ago

Played right back and right centre back in a back 5 for Ipswich. Good player but has had injury issues.

I agree seems like a no brainer doesn’t it

[Newcastleclaret93]

Anyone else really impressed with this years business so far?

Seems like the club has really learnt from past mistakes and are targeting the right profile of players.

If we can get a couple more players in the key positions then Parker has been given a great opportunity

[ollieclarets8]

Goalkeeper signed
Left back signed
Centre back medical
What's the odds on a right back tomorrow?

I think this latest fella is more a right back but he can play both, so it might be a centre back and right back in one swoop and he'll step in for both.