Summer transfer window

[randomclaret2]

I know it's all we really have but given the "undisclosed" nature of most transfers I wouldn't trust any valuations on TransferMarkt to be completely accurate tbh

No, thats certainly true , but as you say its all we really have and none of the figures they quote seem outlandish to me

[exilecanada]

Incoming...

Must take him ages to do his hair

[NewClaret]

Benson
Churlinov
Obefemi?
Ekdal
Sonne
Sambo
Delcroix
Hladky

You’d imagine we could get around that figure for all those

I can’t see us selling Sonne after 6 months. Or Sambo. Loans for those guys for development. Also wouldn’t shock me if some of the above go to Espanyol on loan, again to build their fee. Good season in La Liga and I reckon you double what we’d get this year.

Dodgson I would add to that list.

But with a pretty much clean £3m profit from the other two, I think £7m profit from the others is achievable. I don’t think the club will care too much if they do t move some on though, providing they get them good loans that add to their value.

[Steddyman]

Must take him ages to do his hair

It would be really cool to get one on page 100 though.

[Goliath]

If the injury reports are true he may not be going anywhere.

That's the point I was making

[FeedTheArf]

I can’t see us selling Sonne after 6 months. Or Sambo. Loans for those guys for development. Also wouldn’t shock me if some of the above go to Espanyol on loan, again to build their fee. Good season in La Liga and I reckon you double what we’d get this year.

Dodgson I would add to that list.

But with a pretty much clean £3m profit from the other two, I think £7m profit from the others is achievable. I don’t think the club will care too much if they do t move some on though, providing they get them good loans that add to their value.

I’d be p*ssed if I was an Espanyol fan and any of those players (bar Ekdal at a push) turned up. They’ve hardly shown much to suggest they’re going to be pulling up any trees in La Liga. It wouldn’t exactly get the new partnership off to the best start for it to appear that they’ve become our dumping ground.

[boatshed bill]

I’d be p*ssed if I was an Espanyol fan and any of those players (bar Ekdal at a push) turned up. They’ve hardly shown much to suggest they’re going to be pulling up any trees in La Liga. It wouldn’t exactly get the new partnership off to the best start for it to appear that they’ve become our dumping ground.

I'd be pi$$ed off if i signed for a club, hoping to play for them, then later realising i was merely a piece of stock.

[CrosspoolClarets]

As our squad stands I'd guess Hannibal would be playing that role.

Until we go behind. Something we didn’t experience much last season. Then we will need Plan B, i.e. a more creative goalscoring threat than Hannibal. There is room in the squad for both (plus Ramsey etc). I don’t think we need further additions at 10.

[boatshed bill]

Until we go behind. Something we didn’t experience much last season. Then we will need Plan B, i.e. a more creative goalscoring threat than Hannibal. There is room in the squad for both (plus Ramsey etc). I don’t think we need further additions at 10.

JBL.

[NewClaret]

I'd be pi$$ed off if i signed for a club, hoping to play for them, then later realising i was merely a piece of stock.

I imagine in that list, there weren’t many that signed expecting to play regularly.

Of that list, maybe only Ekdal, Benson and Churlinov I would think were given any expectation of real game time. Sonne and Sambo definitely not, Delcroix would’ve known he was back up at best in the Prem and Hladky must’ve known he wasn’t replacing Trafford if he stayed.

All the young lads we sign now like Banel and others will know they’re there to be developed.

[NewClaret]

I’d be p*ssed if I was an Espanyol fan and any of those players (bar Ekdal at a push) turned up. They’ve hardly shown much to suggest they’re going to be pulling up any trees in La Liga. It wouldn’t exactly get the new partnership off to the best start for it to appear that they’ve become our dumping ground.

I wouldn’t over estimate the strength of their squad looking at their transfermarkt values. Their entire squad is valued at €70m, highest value player is €15m, most are in the very low €m’s and they’ve signed 6 frees this summer.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/rcd-espany ... verein/714

As well as Ekdal, I think Benson was a good player for us and would suit La Liga. Think he got 14 goals in the Championship and in the game against Man U that season looked a real threat to me. Churlinov has been in good form on his loan and is an international so I think he could maybe do a job. Hladky may be okay in La Liga?

I agree with your point about needing to get the partnership off to a good start, so I would say it depends on where they’re already strong and where they have potential gaps, to determine if they could make use of them. I’d hope players are pulled rather than pushed on them for that reason. And I’d expect we’d offer up all the data on those players so they can decide.

I also think it’s who you send them with. If they send Tresor and he has a blinding season, along with a couple of others who perhaps just do okay, the fans would be happy overall.

[Guller Bull]

Tenuous link to a player called Anton Stach from Leeds Chronicle or something that is as hard to read as the Burnley Ex
Midfielder I think?

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leed ... h-32052130

[Selby Claret]

Tenuous link to a player called Anton Stach from Leeds Chronicle or something that is as hard to read as the Burnley Ex
Midfielder I think?

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leed ... h-32052130

That article is linking us with Sargent - not Stach

[Grimsdale]

Tenuous link to a player called Anton Stach from Leeds Chronicle or something that is as hard to read as the Burnley Ex
Midfielder I think?

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leed ... h-32052130

I think the Burnley bit in the headline refers to our interest in Josh Sargent, can't see anything linking us with Anton Stach

[Guller Bull]

I think the Burnley bit in the headline refers to our interest in Josh Sargent, can't see anything linking us with Anton Stach

Thanks - I was struggling to read with all the pop ups, we are away camping and the wifi is a bit crap.

[Guller Bull]

That article is linking us with Sargent - not Stach

Ok - yup sorry bout dat! But I ha now just created a tenuous link

[TsarBomba]

https://x.com/sarilaciapp/status/194467 ... 38435?s=46

A link to Diego Carlos of Fenerbahce.

[dcunningham27]

Norwich reporter saying that us and wolfsburg getting closer to the fee for sargent on X

[burnley007]

Norwich reporter saying that us and wolfsburg getting closer to the fee for sargent on X

Who would he choose? hmm

[dcunningham27]

Who would he choose? hmm

he's played in Germany before hasn't he, but sure some people said on here that he was close with Barnes so never know

[Bow]

Really hope we’re not pinning our goals on Sargent. Nowhere near a premier league player.

I understand it’s difficult for a promoted team to find a goal scorer, but spending the best part of £20m on this fella seems a poor decision to me.

Happy to be proved wrong though!

[gandhisflipflop]

Really hope we’re not pinning our goals on Sargent. Nowhere near a premier league player.

I understand it’s difficult for a promoted team to find a goal scorer, but spending the best part of £20m on this fella seems a poor decision to me.

Happy to be proved wrong though!

I’d agree but although I’m not one for stats, he does have a better strike rate than gykores in the championship.

[KRBFC]

Really hope we’re not pinning our goals on Sargent. Nowhere near a premier league player.

I understand it’s difficult for a promoted team to find a goal scorer, but spending the best part of £20m on this fella seems a poor decision to me.

Happy to be proved wrong though!

I’m not saying you’re wrong (because non of us know how he will do at PL level) but wondering Why do you think he’s nowhere near good enough?

[Ric_C]

I think Sargent would be a superb signing. And another Josh into the mix

[ollieclarets8]

I think Sargent would be a superb signing. And another Josh into the mix

We lost one, so makes sense we bring one in

[123EasyasBFC]

Really hope we’re not pinning our goals on Sargent. Nowhere near a premier league player.

I understand it’s difficult for a promoted team to find a goal scorer, but spending the best part of £20m on this fella seems a poor decision to me.

Happy to be proved wrong though!

Who’d of thought players like Ivan Toney and Liam Delap would be premier league level after their performances in the championship.

I’d much rather spend 15-20m on a proven championship goalscorer with English experience than risking it on someone from say Belgium or Dutch leagues

[burnley007]

Who’d of thought players like Ivan Toney and Liam Delap would be premier league level after their performances in the championship.

I’d much rather spend 15-20m on a proven championship goalscorer with English experience than risking it on someone from say Belgium or Dutch leagues

I can definitely agree with this logic. Makes more sense.

[Down_Rover]

Doug Collins was best left footer I saw

[ollieclarets8]

Who’d of thought players like Ivan Toney and Liam Delap would be premier league level after their performances in the championship.

I’d much rather spend 15-20m on a proven championship goalscorer with English experience than risking it on someone from say Belgium or Dutch leagues

I think the club have a good plan of always having an eye on next season. Walker signed a 2 year deal - if we do go back down I'm sure Walker can do another season in the Champ and a player such as Sargent has already done it. Obviously you can never guarantee coming back up if you go down, but I think covering next season too is the smart thing to do.

[Andingle]

I'd be happy if we signed Josh Sargent.
Good physical profile , good mobility ,  travels well on the ball at pace , good positional awareness  comfortable on both feet , high intensity work rate , hunger & determination to score goals , good hold up play , think he'd be an ideal fit for us.

[CatonClaret]

Amdouni confirming the rumours about the injury. Might impact transfer plans one way or the other.

[bumba]

Being reported on sky sports now about Sargent so must be getting closer to us or Wolfsburg.

CT has the research begun?

[jlup1980]

Who’d of thought players like Ivan Toney and Liam Delap would be premier league level after their performances in the championship.

I’d much rather spend 15-20m on a proven championship goalscorer with English experience than risking it on someone from say Belgium or Dutch leagues

I agree with your logic. We need someone better than we already have and I think Sargent ticks that box. Whether he's good enough to score the goals to keep us in the PL is an unknown, but he has PL experience, and his stats suggest he knows where the net is in the Championship. He was in the PFA team of the season too, so he clearly has something about him. I think he's a sensible option, but not particularly exciting. That said, we really just need someone who can link the play and get in the right areas. The excitement will hopefully come from the wide men.

[agreenwood]

The average number of goals scored by the 4 teams finishing 14-17th in 2024-25 was 52 (and it was skewed by Spurs scoring 64 – more than several teams in the top 8). In 2023-24 it was 49. In 2022-23 it was 38 and in 2021-22 it was 45.

Obviously it also depends on how good we are defensively (as Spurs proved last year), but lets say we’ll probably need to score around 45 goals to stay up – 4 more than we managed in 2023-24 an 11 more than in 2021-22. With this in mind we probably need a striker capable of scoring 10-12 goals next season. That’s the mark Chris would reached the last time we survived in the division.

A striker who can score 10-12 goals in the PL is probably worth £20m in todays market (probably more). So I don’t think the question is whether Josh Sargeant is worth £20m. It’s whether the club scouts and coaches think he could score 10-12 goals in our team. If they don’t, then there’s no point in buying him. If they do, they should believe that he’s worth the outlay.

[Big Vinny K]

The average number of goals scored by the 4 teams finishing 14-17th in 2024-25 was 52 (and it was skewed by Spurs scoring 64 – more than several teams in the top 8). In 2023-24 it was 49. In 2022-23 it was 38 and in 2021-22 it was 45.

Obviously it also depends on how good we are defensively (as Spurs proved last year), but lets say we’ll probably need to score around 45 goals to stay up – 4 more than we managed in 2023-24 an 11 more than in 2021-22. With this in mind we probably need a striker capable of scoring 10-12 goals next season. That’s the mark Chris would reached the last time we survived in the division.

A striker who can score 10-12 goals in the PL is probably worth £20m in todays market (probably more). So I don’t think the question is whether Josh Sargeant is worth £20m. It’s whether the club scouts and coaches think he could score 10-12 goals in our team. If they don’t, then there’s no point in buying him. If they do, they should believe that he’s worth the outlay.

Yep agree on this.
Clubs like us have tended to survive when you have a player who gets into double figures. Chris Wood was incredibly consistent at that and we also had the likes of Barnes who chipped in with a good amount on a regular basis.
If you want a striker who can score this amount then £20m seems to be the minimum you have to pay now.

If you are wanting a striker in the 15 to 20 range then you only have to look at the prices strikers like Wissa, Mbuembo etc are going for and how much the likes of Solanke and others went for.

All a risk but think it’s less a risk if the person you are buying has done it before in the EPL or done well towards the top of the championship. If you are scoring 20 plus in championship then you are still doing well to score half this number in the EPL. It’s a decent level to assess because you are often playing against defenders who have played in the EPL recently.

[FeedTheArf]

A striker who can score 10-12 goals in the PL is probably worth £20m in todays market (probably more). So I don’t think the question is whether Josh Sargeant is worth £20m. It’s whether the club scouts and coaches think he could score 10-12 goals in our team. If they don’t, then there’s no point in buying him. If they do, they should believe that he’s worth the outlay.

I agree to a point, but I think we've always got to have an eye on the season after.

If we do end up back in the Championship 12 months from now, Brownhills goals have to come from somewhere next time and a player who bagged a more than decent number this season with a years experience at the club already would, in theory, be well placed to get us back up at the first time of asking.

[agreenwood]

Sounds like Sargent could be off to Wolfsburg.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/649294 ... ed_article

[dcunningham27]

Sounds like Sargent could be off to Wolfsburg.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/649294 ... ed_article

sky sports saying both us and wolfsburg in talks for him

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Won’t be too gutted if we missed out on Sargent. Don’t rate him anywhere near £20m, and he’s hardly a solution to our striker situation.

[KRBFC]

Won’t be too gutted if we missed out on Sargent. Don’t rate him anywhere near £20m, and he’s hardly a solution to our striker situation.

Why don’t you rate the best striker in the Championship?

[Pearcey]

As a Norwich based Claret I would be gutted to miss out on Sargent. I’ve said for a while now that I’d like us to sign him. I think he’s a cracking player and exactly the type of striker we should be looking at. Every one of my Canary mates rate him.

[KRBFC]

I think a lot of people look at his poor PL season at Norwich when he was how old? 20? I believe he also played on the wing at Norwich in the PL with Pukki as the sole striker.

The only thing with Sargent for me is his recent injury record, it felt like he missed half of the season at Norwich last year and the year before that he only played 28/46 league games.

Maybe it was just one long injury midway through 23/24 that kept him out until midway through 24/25

[Woodleyclaret]

His injury record is a cause for concern but we may be looking elsewhere too.Time will tell.

[Pearcey]

I think a lot of people look at his poor PL season at Norwich when he was how old? 20? I believe he also played on the wing at Norwich in the PL with Pukki as the sole striker.

The only thing with Sargent for me is his recent injury record, it felt like he missed half of the season at Norwich last year and the year before that he only played 28/46 league games.

Maybe it was just one long injury midway through 23/24 that kept him out until midway through 24/25

Looks to have been an ankle injury and then a groin injury which both resulted in surgery. If he’s now fixed then shouldn’t be an issue.

[dougcollins]

SSN definitely pushing the Sargent story. Can't link it as it's on the telly.

Wolfsburg also linked.

[ollieclarets8]

SSN definitely pushing the Sargent story. Can't link it as it's on the telly.

Wolfsburg also linked.

Hopefully the lure of Premier League football will be enough.

[Jakubs Tash]

Won’t be too gutted if we missed out on Sargent. Don’t rate him anywhere near £20m, and he’s hardly a solution to our striker situation.

Who would you suggest is going to realistically be “a solution to our striker situation” at the prices that we can afford?

[agreenwood]

Chris Wood cost us £15m back in 2017. He was also 25 at the time and had very little Premier League experience.

As I said above, if the club genuinely believe he can deliver for us in the top flight, £20m doesn’t seem that big a gamble 8 years later.

[mkmel]

Even if we get Sargent does anyone think that we will still be looking to sign another striker.

[ollieclarets8]

Even if we get Sargent does anyone think that we will still be looking to sign another striker.

Can't see it unless it's a loan towards the end of the window.