Osmajic

[daveisaclaret]

Looks like we'll hit six months without anything happening - it's an absolute disgrace. The FA are making it very clear that their stance on racism is all PR and no action.

[Jakubclaret]

The fly in the ointment appears to be somebody denying the allegation & no concrete evidence stating otherwise as frustrating as that may be! Some people have said from the start you do need something more substantially damning than 2 opposing conflicting accounts.

[billyhamilton82]

I hope they are waiting to hit them when it will hurt most.

Make the decision when the transfer window closes so they can't replace him.

[beddie]

I agree that things like this need thorough investigation and the appropriate time to be dealt with but this particular incident has taken far too long. It should have been decided what action if any is required before the new season kicked off. To quote
“ time is a great healer”, I’ll leave you with that one to think about.

[agreenwood]

The fly in the ointment appears to be somebody denying the allegation & no concrete evidence stating otherwise as frustrating as that may be! Some people have said from the start you do need something more substantially damning than 2 opposing conflicting accounts.

The FA don’t need to be certain that he said what Hannibal alleged. The need to be satisfied that it’s more likely than not that he said it (balance of probabilities).

It’s hard to fathom what could possibly be holding up a hearing being set at this point. They’ve had 6 months to collect all the relevant statements. It’s unlikely that they’ve had to bring in lip reading specialists given the lack of a clear TV footage, but even if they have, it shouldn’t be taking this long.

It feels very much like they’ve allowed Preston to stall this or they are simply hoping that it’ll go away quietly. That said, no doubt this clown will be back in front of them again at some point regardless of the outcome of these proceedings. He seems incapable of behaving himself.

[Procrastinate B]

It’s going to be found ‘unproven’, I’d imagine. Hannibal definitely heard him say it, Osmajic is adamant he said ‘bad’ *******.

I’d imagine the proximity of Osmajic’s face when he was saying whatever he said pretty much renders any camera footage useless.

The length of time this is taking is unfair on both players, the clubs and fans. It needs closure.

[NottsClaret]

How long did it take for Jay Rod’s case to get resolved when he was accused?

[daveisaclaret]

How long did it take for Jay Rod’s case to get resolved when he was accused?

3 months

[NottsClaret]

3 months

Don't see why this is much different then. One player's word against another. It's going to be 'not proven' anyway, just get on with it.

[gandhisflipflop]

Looks like we'll hit six months without anything happening - it's an absolute disgrace. The FA are making it very clear that their stance on racism is all PR and no action.

That’s the sound of the penny dropping I hear!

[daveisaclaret]

Don't see why this is much different then. One player's word against another. It's going to be 'not proven' anyway, just get on with it.

There's no particular reason to think it's going to be not proven.

[Duffer_]

There's no particular reason to think it's going to be not proven.

Apart from the ridiculous length of time involved. A very generous interpretation of events, to the FA at least, might be that they feel there is insufficient evidence to find Osmajic guilty but are at least making him sweat on it.

[JarrowClaret]

How long did it take for Jay Rod’s case to get resolved when he was accused?

Jay Rods case was about the meaning of what was said not necessarily what was said, I don’t think there was ever a question about what Jay said.

[AlargeClaret]

The time it’s taken has been quite alarming bearing in mind there’s only 2 witnesses ( the accused and accuser )
While personally I think it likely that a racial slur of sorts was said to Hannibal , it doesn’t help that it’s “ he said she said “ without any decent footage though . Also not helped by Hannibal being a proven cheat and borderline nutcase for much of last season . Let’s hope for a quick resolution.

[Jakubclaret]

There's no particular reason to think it's going to be not proven.

I'm surprised the FA haven't asked you to step forward to provide the compelling evidence you purport to possess.

[ClaretTony]

Wasn’t something said last week from Preston that the hearing was going to be after the start of the season?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Jay Rods case was about the meaning of what was said not necessarily what was said, I don’t think there was ever a question about what Jay said.

I’m not sure that’s right.

[ClaretTony]

Jay Rods case was about the meaning of what was said not necessarily what was said, I don’t think there was ever a question about what Jay said.

It was a question of what was said. Bong claims Jay Rod said: “You’re black and you stink.” Jay Rod claimed he’d said: “Your breath f****** stinks.”

[claret wizard]

High profile incident at Anfield yesterday. Loads of virtue signalling flags being waved today.

[KernowHouseClaret]

High profile incident at Anfield yesterday. Loads of virtue signalling flags being waved today.

That's because it was a fan against a player in the Premier League, can't have the leagues good name being linked to racism.
If ours had been on the Prem it would have been sorted before now without a shadow of a doubt

[Procrastinate B]

Would imagine fans around the incident would corroborate that racial abuse took place. The Hannibal incident wasn’t heard by anyone else.

[jos]

I was chatting with a Preston fan about this and whilst he agreed Osmajic was a thug he also stated that Hannibal was known for claiming this sort of thing.
I wasn’t aware of any previous claims.

[jackmiggins]

I was chatting with a Preston fan about this and whilst he agreed Osmajic was a thug he also stated that Hannibal was known for claiming this sort of thing.
I wasn’t aware of any previous claims.

Not a good idea to perpetuate hearsay without actually checking that it has any truth.

[Jakubclaret]

Would imagine fans around the incident would corroborate that racial abuse took place. The Hannibal incident wasn’t heard by anyone else.

Completely agree although the popular opinion seems to be is that the 2 incidents are identical & should be dealt with in the same manner & timeframe which is frankly preposterous.

[jos]

Not a good idea to perpetuate hearsay without actually checking that it has any truth.

That’s what I’m trying to find out!

[JarrowClaret]

I was chatting with a Preston fan about this and whilst he agreed Osmajic was a thug he also stated that Hannibal was known for claiming this sort of thing.
I wasn’t aware of any previous claims.

Probably because there aren’t any claims out there certainly I’m not aware of any. Anyway it is irrelevant what he has claimed in the past maybe if he has made other claims it was because he believed he was racially abused. It is clear if you look at the incident without any form of tribal bias that Hannibal reacts immediately as if something very bad has been said. So whatever the outcome Hannibal at least truly believes he was racially abused so it wasn’t some made up claim as some Preston fans would have us believe. That doesn’t mean he was definitely racially abused though, they were both gobbing off he could have just misheard as Osmajic claims.

[claret wizard]

Would imagine fans around the incident would corroborate that racial abuse took place. The Hannibal incident wasn’t heard by anyone else.

Seems that is not what happened according to fans reports. Semenyo goes to take throw, fan goes down and says something to him, noone else hears this, 2 mins later the game is stopped. This is according to a Nick Collins in X a Liverpool fan seated near the incident. So let’s see how long this takes to be dealt with now the initial furore has passed.

[Procrastinate B]

Seems that is not what happened according to fans reports. Semenyo goes to take throw, fan goes down and says something to him, noone else hears this, 2 mins later the game is stopped. This is according to a Nick Collins in X a Liverpool fan seated near the incident. So let’s see how long this takes to be dealt with now the initial furore has passed.

Ah, I imagined wrong then!

[claret wizard]

Osmajic should have been banned from every stadium in the UK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvdp2n205o

[Roosterbooster]

Osmajic should have been banned from every stadium in the UK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvdp2n205o

Osmajic hasn't been arrested

[claret wizard]

Osmajic hasn't been arrested

Should Osmajic been arrested?

[ClaretTony]

That's because it was a fan against a player in the Premier League, can't have the leagues good name being linked to racism.
If ours had been on the Prem it would have been sorted before now without a shadow of a doubt

Just to point out that such incidents are not anything to do with the league. If it is a player involved then it’s the FA no matter which league the game is played in.

Yesterday’s was a matter for neither league or FA but the club involved and the police I would imagine.

[ClaretTony]

Osmajic should have been banned from every stadium in the UK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvdp2n205o

Why?

[claret wizard]

Why?

I’m asking the question. But to add some context both incidents are effectively identical, someone says an allegedly racist remark that no one else hears, it’s reported to the referee. In one instance someone is arrested and barred from every football ground in the country awaiting a trial, whilst in the other effectively nothing has happened.

[Jakubclaret]

I’m asking the question. But to add some context both incidents are effectively identical, someone says an allegedly racist remark that no one else hears, it’s reported to the referee. In one instance someone is arrested and barred from every football ground in the country awaiting a trial, whilst in the other effectively nothing has happened.

It's not that simple he's denied it. The person who's been banned probably accepted guilt. When people deny things investigations take place to establish facts.

[ClaretTony]

I’m asking the question. But to add some context both incidents are effectively identical, someone says an allegedly racist remark that no one else hears, it’s reported to the referee. In one instance someone is arrested and barred from every football ground in the country awaiting a trial, whilst in the other effectively nothing has happened.

The bloke on Friday has been arrested and was in custody. He's barred as part of his bail conditions. The situation at Preston is totally different in that it is one man's word against the other as far as we know and I'd assume the FA are still investigating. It wasn't a police matter.

[claret wizard]

It's not that simple he's denied it. The person who's been banned probably accepted guilt. When people deny things investigations take place to establish facts.

Probably….that’s the key word here. We don’t know. However, that’s not the point. I’m wondering why the Police weren’t involved at Preston?

[claret wizard]

The bloke on Friday has been arrested and was in custody. He's barred as part of his bail conditions. The situation at Preston is totally different in that it is one man's word against the other as far as we know and I'd assume the FA are still investigating. It wasn't a police matter.

That’s my point, why was this guy arrested, but not the Preston player? I mention above in the thread that this is also one mans word against another according to fans nearby. No one heard what was said.



So why wasn’t it a Police matter? Did we not make a formal complaint to them?

[Jakubclaret]

Probably….that’s the key word here. We don’t know. However, that’s not the point. I’m wondering why the Police weren’t involved at Preston?

He's denied it & nobody can be 100% & that could possibly include Hannibal if he's misheard something. The evidence friday was probably overwhelming due to the high profile nature of the game & the fans in close proximity.

[Row x]

Probably….that’s the key word here. We don’t know. However, that’s not the point. I’m wondering why the Police weren’t involved at Preston?

To eject him from the ground?

[ClaretTony]

Probably….that’s the key word here. We don’t know. However, that’s not the point. I’m wondering why the Police weren’t involved at Preston?

I doubt the police would arrest someone off the say so of one person

[Row x]

I doubt the police would arrest someone off the say so of one person

Plus there's a process in place when it happens on the pitch between players staff etc.
The Anfield incident involved a member of the public, so it became a police issue. He was ejected from the ground, and arrested later when evidence had been gathered

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