New Stadium

[alwaysaclaret]

Just need to add a tier to the Bob Lord Stand and a StadiArena stand at the cricket field end. Everything else is fine...

Think it's fair to say and accepted amongst fan's that we're never going to get above a 24-26,000 kind of crowd, however I've long said that we should aspire to this based on the fact that we have to increase to have any chance of sustaining and being able to stay in this league in terms of revenue. So I agree with your idea of another tier on the BL and something similar on the CFS, doesn't have to be massive, just half the existing BL above, and similar on the CFS, and perhaps incorporate an extra 500 in the corners to give us around 4-4,500. However I did here talk maybe up to about 10 years ago now that there was some foundation issues in the BL and it wasn't doable, would have to be a rebuild in order to add another tier.

[Enola Gay]

Plenty of room. The old School site for one place

I think the flood risk is more of an issue at Towneley.

[Rick_Muller]

I think the flood risk is more of an issue at Towneley.

Would that be a worse or better flood risk compared to the new Everton stadium built on water?

[Dyched]

I think the flood risk is more of an issue at Towneley.

Multipurpose stadiums are the future. We can host diving championships, waterpolo, the boat race and the football.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Not read all the comments but our ‘newest’ stands are now considered old. The Bob lord and cricket are ancient artifacts.

If we were to use the current space moving forward then I’ve seen it suggested on another post a while back about knocking it all down and changing the pitch angle so that the goal stands would be where the fans one is and the other where the bob is now.

Wed have a far bigger footprint that way.

Won’t happen though.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I guess you could erect a temporary "stadium" on Townley, and fully demolish Turf Moor, and rebuild a new ground, probably turned 90 degrees, with far more multipurpose corporate facilities, and a capacity of circa 30 to 35k, expandable if need arises.

[brexit]

There is a modern stadium in Lower Darwen that might be for sale soon.

[ŽižkovClaret]

There is a modern stadium in Lower Darwen that might be for sale soon.

That would make me stop going

[Rick_Muller]

That would make me stop going

every now and then for a win is fine though

[pureclaret]

Thanks, I really did not know that.

And I liked Captain Scarlet (I shouldn’t admit this, but I am a member of Spectrum)

There is a lot to be said for having your team performing in the town centre.

It’s just a pain for me to get to.

Are you the Jos who had 2 of the Angels move in with him? or was that Joe 90?

[The Shire Claret]

Not read all the comments but our ‘newest’ stands are now considered old. The Bob lord and cricket are ancient artifacts.

If we were to use the current space moving forward then I’ve seen it suggested on another post a while back about knocking it all down and changing the pitch angle so that the goal stands would be where the fans one is and the other where the bob is now.

Wed have a far bigger footprint that way.

Won’t happen though.

My house is 130 years old and still standing strong

I don't think a 30 year old stand needs to be considered old if maintained properly , especially for a town and club like Burnley ... The only thing those stands need are bigger concourses which they could do.

The Bob lord and CFS do look a lot better than they did but they can be sorted without moving.

We arent located in a major city ... we are never going to be a tourist club ... we just need to update what we currently have ..

Don't need no state of the art stadium... if anything , our tradition is our biggest potential asset

[blatherwickstattoos]

My house is 130 years old and still standing strong

I don't think a 30 year old stand needs to be considered old if maintained properly , especially for a town and club like Burnley ... The only thing those stands need are bigger concourses which they could do.

The Bob lord and CFS do look a lot better than they did but they can be sorted without moving.

We arent located in a major city ... we are never going to be a tourist club ... we just need to update what we currently have ..

Don't need no state of the art stadium... if anything , our tradition is our biggest potential asset

Our stands are massively outdated. Even the newer 2.

[The Shire Claret]

Our stands are massively outdated. Even the newer 2.

Not for a town club like us that has had very recently had millions spent refurbishing all the Hospitality Areas.

[Prof]

I always thought this was an overly complicated discussion.

There is room to add about 10-12 rows to the Bob Lord on the current footprint, either by adding on to what is there or knocking it down and building a new stand. You could probably squeeze a couple more if they lowered the pitch too, which might make some of the seats in the newer stands more appealing. There is roughly 175-180 seats per row in the Bob Lord, that means 1750-2500 more seats give or take a little depending on the layout.

Then, update and shift the cricket field towards the north stand, you could fill in the two corners, and we have a roughly 25k stadium….maybe a little more depending on how they incorporate boxes etc.

Doing it in that order means the capacity isn’t massively affected while the build is happening.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Not for a town club like us that has had very recently had millions spent refurbishing all the Hospitality Areas.

What does being a town club have to do with anything ?

[jrgbfc]

Our stands are massively outdated. Even the newer 2.

For me the newer 2 stands are cheap, badly built monstrosities. In an ideal world i'd bulldoze them first and start again but that won't be happening.

[Procrastinate B]

For me the newer 2 stands are cheap, badly built monstrosities. In an ideal world i'd bulldoze them first and start again but that won't be happening.

They are also weirdly angled to each other (if that makes sense? Always annoyed me that.

[NickBFC]

I don't see us moving stadium any time soon. I don't think the club could afford to do it for starters - probably looking at £100-150m in today's money. The CF and BL clearly need a lot of work, and ideally rebuilding - we can't keep kicking the can down the road. I mentioned on the CF thread, IF the club could purchase a small strip of land behind the stand it would enable a part rebuild of the stand and roof over the top of the existing structure as Liverpool and City have done ensuring the stand remains in use. The end result a bigger concourse and possibly extra seats. The BL sounds more complicated if it's true about the foundations - again a small increase in capacity, new roof and corporate facilities at the top would really bring the ground into the modern era and more importantly bring extra revenue into the club. The stadium in its current guise just isn't good enough for the level we want to play at.

[The Shire Claret]

What does being a town club have to do with anything ?

it has a lot to do with it... New state of the art staduims aint chap and monies need to be recouped ... City teams will attract and can put on many events ... i.e ... Spurs and the NFL and then 50-Cent selling it out etc ...

Would I like a new stadium ? Yeah of course ... but it has to make sense ....

A town team like us doesn't need anything more than 25-28k capacity and as much as I enjoy visiting the bigger stadiums ... in the end ... they all do the same job for watching football ...

[Pickles]

What does being a town club have to do with anything ?

It has everything to do with it. The cost of a new stadium is often offset by it hosting gigs and events etc but those are always going to go to Manchester, Liverpool, Preston, Blackburn, even Halifax's Piece Hall before they come to Burnley. Even though there's been an increase in football tourism at the Turf, it's never going to be enough to make a justifiable dent and that's before we get to the still pretty poor public transport which serves the town. I do wonder sometimes if Pace/ALK wish they'd invested in a club in a city or on the outskirts of one to match their ideals. Burnley just doesn't have the footfall/culture/transport/population and never will. 25k is the max we need otherwise we face it being half filled. And for 25k, I'm not so sure we need to move to a new site at all.

[criminalclaret]

Very much a "fag packet" drawing but if BCC were just not gonna give up the land, and I agree with others than we just will never do 30K+ regularly, I propose a compromise of

• Buying some of the BCC land

• Paying for the relocation of the BCC clubhouse

• Double tier / kop home stand to replace CPS with corner filled in upto 10k (existing 4k + additional 6K)

• Right Side North Stand Upper for Away Fans, with Overflow for Lower Tier if needed

• Access behind CFS for home fans to get on and off rather than being funneled through a tiny area

[jos]

Are you the Jos who had 2 of the Angels move in with him? or was that Joe 90?

Too many relationship issues with the Angels as they all appeared to have strings attached!

[ClaretsPadiham]

100% know they have recently been looking into building a brand new ground on the land the club own on Molly Wood Lane in Hapton…

[The Shire Claret]

100% know they have recently been looking into building a brand new ground on the land the club own on Molly Wood Lane in Hapton…

For the last 20 years

[ClaretsPadiham]

44 acres the club own on Molly Wood Lane which is on the border of Rosegrove/Hapton. Accesible from Liverpool Rd. (Just over from Rosegrove Railway station)

[Dressinggown]

Not a problem.

Move to a location close to the M65.

Build an generic stadium with a capacity of around 23,000.

Who knows how many football clubs have these non-descript, soulless venues ?

Middlesbrough, Southampton, Leicester, Reading, Derby, Swansea, Hull, Coventry,.....

Even Darlington had a go.

[Somethingfishy]

100% know they have recently been looking into building a brand new ground on the land the club own on Molly Wood Lane in Hapton…

I think that rumour has come from it being BFC owned land from the days of Bob Lord. I often walk my dog on there and its quite a long strip of land but not particularly wide with the lodge/woods on one side and the greenway on the other. Be a challenge fitting a stadium on there in my opinion.
Handy for J9 but would need some serious civil engineering/bridge to access that land.

[gandhisflipflop]

I think that rumour has come from it being BFC owned land from the days of Bob Lord. I often walk my dog on there and its quite a long strip of land but not particularly wide with the lodge/woods on one side and the greenway on the other. Be a challenge fitting a stadium on there in my opinion.
Handy for J9 but would need some serious civil engineering/bridge to access that land.

Agree. There is only 1 route in and out isn’t there? And no way could it accommodate 20k plus fans

[quoonbeatz]

I do wonder sometimes if Pace/ALK wish they'd invested in a club in a city or on the outskirts of one to match their ideals.

They do, hence buying Espanyol. Modern, near 40k capacity stadium in a major European city that hosts top flight football and hosts big gigs and other events.

[NewClaret]

For me the newer 2 stands are cheap, badly built monstrosities. In an ideal world i'd bulldoze them first and start again but that won't be happening.

Agree entirely with this, but do think they could be made to look a lot better if they:

1) joined the Longside and Jimmy Mac together with a corner stand with the same style of roof supports (not sure if this is even possible)

2) re-clad the whole lot in a material other than corrugated steel in claret & blue.

1 is clearly never going to happen with the new corner stands now in place but 2 still could. Expect we’ll still have them in another 30 years though

[NewClaret]

44 acres the club own on Molly Wood Lane which is on the border of Rosegrove/Hapton. Accesible from Liverpool Rd. (Just over from Rosegrove Railway station)

Always wondered where that was. Is it the land accessed via Lower Rosegrove Lane?

[NewClaret]

100% know they have recently been looking into building a brand new ground on the land the club own on Molly Wood Lane in Hapton…

If that is the case and it’s the land I think you mean, my guess would be it’s a smaller ground for the Academy/Women’s team, which would be absolutely brilliant.

[Clovius Boofus]

Now four pages about something that ain't going to happen.

[Andreshotboots]

If that is the case and it’s the land I think you mean, my guess would be it’s a smaller ground for the Academy/Women’s team, which would be absolutely brilliant.

Not sure why you'd want to incur such huge costs for something that doesn't generate any money for the club..

I think Everton will discover this sooner rather than later by keeping Goodison going..

[The Shire Claret]

Now four pages about something that ain't going to happen.

My thoughts exactly

[aggi]

Not sure why you'd want to incur such huge costs for something that doesn't generate any money for the club..

I think Everton will discover this sooner rather than later by keeping Goodison going..

Keeping Goodison was more because the initial development plans weren't giving a decent return right now. Every chance it will still be demolished at some point in the future unless they manage to emulate Arsenal and average 40k crowds (which seems unlikely).

[aggi]

And no chance of moving away from Turf Moor, the site isn't valuable enough to make it worth moving out of town. Which is good, because I don't think I've ever been to a decent stadium that isn't in walking distance of the town centre.

There isn't really an economic argument for increasing capacity, a few thousand extra tickets won't make much difference. It's increasing hospitality that really bumps up the money. That's mainly what Everton have done with their new stadium.

[NewClaret]

Not sure why you'd want to incur such huge costs for something that doesn't generate any money for the club..

I think Everton will discover this sooner rather than later by keeping Goodison going..

For me it’s a cost of business of running a football club. If you want a top class academy and a WSL women’s team, you need somewhere for them to play their home games and I’m not sure in Leyland is a sustainable long term solution.

Gawthorpe with a new Academy/Women’s building would be preferable, but not sure there’s the room or access to build a small stadium there.

[clarets1978]

Not sure why you'd want to incur such huge costs for something that doesn't generate any money for the club..

I think Everton will discover this sooner rather than later by keeping Goodison going..

Arent funding womens teams becoming a good PSR dodge these days? (I may have that wrong btw)

[ŽižkovClaret]

100% know they have recently been looking into building a brand new ground on the land the club own on Molly Wood Lane in Hapton…

Pre-match for home and away fans at Lowerhouse!

[Somethingfishy]

Pre-match for home and away fans at Lowerhouse!

CPCC2

[Somethingfishy]

IF they did decide to build on that land on Molly Wood Lane (very very unlikely) would it be classed as an out of town ground? Ok it isn't in the town centre but it wouldn't exactly be out on a limb either. It could/would have direct access to the M65 AND be close to amenities/pubs for the supporters. Places like Sycamore Farm, Rosegrove Unity, Lane Ends..and yes Lowerhouse CC ....would all be within walking distance as would bus routes and rail connection at Rosegrove is close by. It would tick a lot of boxes location wise.