Team without Barton

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:55 pm

This is true, and its a thorny issue.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by claretspice » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:Well we have a massive total of 4 points away with what we normally do. Can't get much worse.
Or to put it another way, weve lost one of the last 4 away from home.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:23 pm

claretspice wrote:Or to put it another way, weve lost one of the last 4 away from home.
Unfortunately we've lost two, both on Merseyside.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:38 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Unfortunately we've lost two, both on Merseyside.
I actually quite like you TP.
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Re: Team without Barton

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:47 pm

claretspice wrote:But our results have been ok against the teams we're competing with, ie those outside the top 7. Weve only won 1 since the end of Jan, but weve only lost 2 - one of those when we played 85 minutes with 10 men, one in the last minute. Thats despite the vast majority of those games being away.

We're a bit low on confidence and not at our best but there's nothing to justify completely ripping up our approach and starting from scarce. We tried it once and got trained by an out of form Leicester.
That's one way too dress up 1 win in 12 by completely ignoring results against 7 teams in the league. I think 0 wins away from home in almost a year makes ripping up our approach and starting from scarce a completely reasonable solution.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:That's one way too dress up 1 win in 12 by completely ignoring results against 7 teams in the league. I think 0 wins away from home in almost a year makes ripping up our approach and starting from scarce a completely reasonable solution.
Which is more disingenuous, ignoring results against a third of the league or ignoring half of our results in the season?

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:05 pm

I don't understand why people take our away form as a singular item and ignore our home form. If we need to scrap everything and start again because of away form does that mean we need to keep everything the same because of our home form. We all know that our record next season will be different home form and away we will have different players and maybe a slightly different method. We are a small fish in a big pond and will be next season as well i hope people will start to realise we are what we and just support or at least save there moaning for the internet.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by summitclaret » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:13 pm

No it means we need a different approach away. Anyway we have been sussed now home and away in imo. We are limping to safety like 633 squadron returning from a WW2 mission. I still think we will make it, which would be a massive achievement for a small club, but a lot of investment is needed for next season.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:13 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Which is more disingenuous, ignoring results against a third of the league or ignoring half of our results in the season?
I was talking about our approach just away from home. I believe we can play different players/formations/systems away and home. We can continue doing what has worked at home but completely rip up the plans and start again for the away games which was my point, I opened myself up for this response because I didn't clarify that well enough.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:15 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:I don't understand why people take our away form as a singular item and ignore our home form. If we need to scrap everything and start again because of away form does that mean we need to keep everything the same because of our home form. We all know that our record next season will be different home form and away we will have different players and maybe a slightly different method. We are a small fish in a big pond and will be next season as well i hope people will start to realise we are what we and just support or at least save there moaning for the internet.

Nobody ignored the home form, read my post above. I didn't put it across well enough but I meant continue doing what has worked at home but scrap everything for only away games.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by JohnMac » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:31 pm

Heaton
Lowton Keane Mee/Tarkowski Ward
JBG Hendrick Westwood Defour Brady
Gray

Nothing ventured...

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:33 pm

Apologies have no problem intention of reading all posts, but if I have missed something fine and you aren't the only person talking about the away form KR. Everyone including Dyche and team accept the away form isn't right we need to change something that isn't going to happen this season though we may still win our last 2 which shouldn't paper over it. People seem to forget in a few od the games we have lost we have played quite well it is what it is though.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:56 pm

Wow never type on a phone whilst eating made a bit of a mess of that last post. Anyway hopefully Defour gets game time I agree with others though that it will only happen if we switch to a 3 in midfield.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by SparkyClaret » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:11 am

I'd like him to line up as a 4-5-1, with a central 3 of Defour, Westwood and Hendrick with Brady and JBG pushing forward to support Gray. Unfortunately it is a bit risky playing a central midfield three when you've only got 3 first team central midfielders, which is why I expect Dyche to stick with 4-4-2 as per the United game, just swapping out Mee and Barton for Tarkowski and Defour.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Firthy » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:28 am

Heaton
Lowton Keane Tark Ward
Westwood
JBG Hendrick Defour Brady
Gray

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by simonclaret » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:47 am

TVC15 wrote:it is 3 from us, Hull and Swansea
We're well and truly shafted then.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Spijed » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:55 am

simonclaret wrote:We're well and truly shafted then.
Why?

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by colne-claret » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:58 am

Heaton
Lowton Keane Tarkowski Ward
JBG Hendrick Westwood Defour Brady
Vokes

Subs: Pope, Darikwa, Long, Arfield, Boyd, Gray, Barnes.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by TVC15 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:19 am

simonclaret wrote:We're well and truly shafted then.
My mistake - 2 from us, Tigers & Swans !

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by claretdom » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:21 am

TVC15 wrote:My mistake - 2 from us, Tigers & Swans !


Which of Sunderland / Boro are you making safe ?
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Re: Team without Barton

Post by TVC15 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:14 am

claretdom wrote:Which of Sunderland / Boro are you making safe ?
3rd time lucky

ONE from :
Burnley
Hull
Swansea

Feck me the league will be finished before I post this correctly !
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Re: Team without Barton

Post by claretdom » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:17 am

TVC15 wrote:3rd time lucky

ONE from :
Burnley
Hull
Swansea

Feck me the league will be finished before I post this correctly !

Haha, bet you feel more confident now it's 1 in 3 not 3 in 3 or 2.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by simonclaret » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:12 pm

20/1 odds still available if anyone convinced we're going down.

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:26 pm

simonclaret wrote:20/1 odds still available if anyone convinced we're going down.
How dare you mention odds at this sensitive time!

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by claretdom » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:28 pm

If you agree Sunderland and Boro will be the bottom 2 in that order you can get 28/1 on us being 18th

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Re: Team without Barton

Post by Spike » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'd understand changing to a 4-5-1, but not changing to something we have never used this season.
got to agree Dyche has got us this near to staying up and he will complete the job!

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