Trump pulls USA out of Paris climate deal

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:18 pm

And America will eventually crumble into the sea as water levels rise from the very real threat of climate change.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:22 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:And America will eventually crumble into the sea as water levels rise from the very real threat of climate change.

They are going to use the new slag heaps as coastal defences

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:24 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:And America will eventually crumble into the sea as water levels rise from the very real threat of climate change.

It is just so crazy. If ever there was a case to knock off a leader of a country it is now in the States.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:26 pm

He is doing what he was elected to do, put America first.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:27 pm

claretandy wrote:He is doing what he was elected to do, put America first.

Because the global climate doesn't affect America?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:30 pm

The usual suspects all lining up to have a pop at trump I see. Good on him I say.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:32 pm

This isn't a pop at Trump, it's just an incredibly short sighted thing to do, in relation to the scale of risk associated with climate change.

Pulling out of this deal puts America on a small list of only 2 other countries, Nicaragua and Syria.

To pull out of the deal is not only not putting America first, it's also putting the Earth in jeopardy.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:33 pm

America joins forward thinkers Syria and Nicaragua as the only three countries not to uphold the Paris accord.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:34 pm

Right_winger wrote:The usual suspects all lining up to have a pop at trump I see. Good on him I say.

Why "good on him"?

What is it about the Paris accord that you think is so bad?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:35 pm

A dangerously stupid man committing dangerously stupid acts.

As well as agreeing to carry on destroying the planet to the point where the damage is irreversible, he's also turning the USA into a pariah state.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:35 pm

mdd2 wrote:It is just so crazy. If ever there was a case to knock off a leader of a country it is now in the States.

Wash your mouth out son... he's a democratically elected leader and if he needs removing it has to be by democracy.
He claims to be supporting his country and its down trodden people, Corbyn is in a way proposing the same but it's arguable that Corbyn has supported our enemies, so do we just kill him if he gets elected.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:38 pm

God forbid a democratically elected leader actually did what he said he was going to do.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:38 pm

The arguments that Syria is being short sighted and irresponsible not thinking about the future of the whole world is laughable, at this moment in time.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:39 pm

Obama not happy. Is there a pun in there.

"Even in the absence of American leadership, even as this administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future, I'm confident that our states, cities and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we've got,"

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:40 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:God forbid a democratically elected leader actually did what he said he was going to do.

That doesn't make it smart.

He also said he was going to target innocent families of terrorists (well, he said he should) so i trust you'll come to his defence against prosecutors in the hague with "God forbid a democratically elected leader actually did what he said he was going to do". I'd love to see how quickly they acquit him after you've said your piece.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:41 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:The arguments that Syria is being short sighted and irresponsible not thinking about the future of the whole world is laughable, at this moment in time.

You're right, of course, but no one is making that argument are they?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:41 pm

To be fair, does anyone trust the figures for emissions coming from Russia, China, India, or any one else, for that matter ?

Obama was clearly taken for a ride by this agreement. There's an easy way to reduce your carbon footprint, destroy your heavy manufacturing industry and export the jobs abroad. In part, it's worked for the UK. These manufacturing jobs are then created in Countries where Health and Safety, emissions monitoring and technological development are far below Western standards.
In Germany, they're building Coal fired power stations again as Merkl has deserted Nuclear and the VW/Audi group have been exposed as crooks over their emissions testing. The Uk has spent fortunes investing in Wind and Solar energy, but we're struggling to find anyone to build new Nuclear plants. Meanwhile, our future back-up power is to be provided by an arsenal of diesel generators !!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:42 pm

Out of interest did anyone hear the comments about how the US will still improve their industries, reducing emissions etc?
They weren't comments by Trump though.

Or aren't we allowed to talk about them?

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:42 pm

Our climate as long been done for, tipping points are in place and the damage even at this stage is irreversible.

To little to late, as year on year dispite efforts carbon emissions are on the rise.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:44 pm

Mindless destruction from a brainless moron.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:45 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:The arguments that Syria is being short sighted and irresponsible not thinking about the future of the whole world is laughable, at this moment in time.

Who was doing that?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:46 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Obama was clearly taken for a ride by this agreement.

In what way? Please explain this opinion.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:46 pm

California and New York State (or City, not sure which) are going to still do their part to reduce carbon emissions but pulling out of the deal effectively gives free reign to carry on as normal if states so wish.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:51 pm

So it doesn't mean an instant return to heavily polluting the atmosphere then?

Glad we've cleared that up, melodramatic panic over...

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Who was doing that?

Post 8

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:52 pm

Most of his other attempts at doing what he said he would have gone 'tits up' so to speak
so this is an easy one for him to do.
He will get his comeuppance sooner or later.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:So it doesn't mean an instant return to heavily polluting the atmosphere then?

Glad we've cleared that up, melodramatic panic over...

I think you may have misunderstood the basics of climate science.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:54 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:God forbid a democratically elected leader actually did what he said he was going to do.

And polluting the atmosphere with dangerous toxins etc.

Oh well..

It's one thing that you can guarantee with Trump is that he or his advisers won't take any notice of what science tells them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:56 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Post 8

Nope. It's criticising the most advanced economy and country in the world for being literally as forward thinking as a country that is into a 7th year of a brutal civil war. That's not the same as criticising Syria. No one doesn't understand why Syria doesn't give a **** about the Paris accord and post #8 doesn't imply otherwise. Are you Sidney in disguise?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:59 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:The arguments that Syria is being short sighted and irresponsible not thinking about the future of the whole world is laughable, at this moment in time.

"I can't believe that millionaire is eating out of a bin like a tramp"

"The argument that tramps shouldn't eat out of bins is laughable"

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:00 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:God forbid a democratically elected leader actually did what he said he was going to do.

I think the point is, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say, and a totally ridiculous thing to do.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:00 pm

Spijed wrote:And polluting the atmosphere with dangerous toxins etc.

Oh well..

You do know that shale gas is a fossil fuel whilst we're getting all high and mighty on this side of the pond.
If we were paying more than lip service to Climate change we wouldn't have railroaded fracking in.
Northern powerhouse just Osbornes personal little joke, Thatcher pulled the plug on Northern natural resources as he marched back in for the Candy from the baby

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:02 pm

Greenmile wrote:"I can't believe that millionaire is eating out of a bin like a tramp"

"The argument that tramps shouldn't eat out of bins is laughable"

Isn't that what I'm saying question Trump don't question Syria

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:03 pm

Yeah Spijed, you really should stop all those fracking operations you are personally running before you can have a go at Trump.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:06 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Isn't that what I'm saying question Trump don't question Syria

The point is that no one is questioning Syria, just as no one is questioning the tramp in my analogy.

I'm sure you get it really, but just in case, here's a key:-

Millionaire - Trump
Tramp - Syria
Eating out of a bin - failing to uphold the Paris agreement
1st quote - whoever you think you were arguing against in your original post.
2nd quote - your original post.

(patronising enough for you?)

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:06 pm

Greenmile wrote:Yeah Spijed, you really should stop all those fracking operations you are personally running before you can have a go at Trump.

I think it's the first we'll take Manhattan then we'll take Berlin that is my point
Insert London Washington etc

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:09 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I think it's the first we'll take Manhattan then we'll take Berlin that is my point
Insert London Washington etc

Nope, you've lost me now. Sorry.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:12 pm

Oh the outrage from a bunch of people who, ironically, most are quite happy driving around in their carbon emitting petrol and diesel vehicles. LOL

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:12 pm

Greenmile wrote:Nope, you've lost me now. Sorry.

I think it's a Leonard Cohen song. Google thinks so, at least.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:13 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Oh the outrage from a bunch of people who, ironically, most are quite happy driving around in their carbon emitting petrol and diesel vehicles. LOL

They were told by Labour to buy diesels too

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:13 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Oh the outrage from a bunch of people who, ironically, most are quite happy driving around in their carbon emitting petrol and diesel vehicles. LOL

That's the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on the internet.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:16 pm

claretandy wrote:He is doing what he was elected to do, put America first.

Fair enough so long as you therefore accept that his position will be equally protectionist when we try to cobble together some kind of trade deal withe USA post Brexit.
I don't see any reason for us to celebrate this.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:17 pm

Greenmile wrote:The point is that no one is questioning Syria, just as no one is questioning the tramp in my analogy.

I'm sure you get it really, but just in case, here's a key:-

Millionaire - Trump
Tramp - Syria
Eating out of a bin - failing to uphold the Paris agreement
1st quote - whoever you think you were arguing against in your original post.
2nd quote - your original post.

(patronising enough for you?)

You're hardly superior, with your analogy my initial post suggests that it is hardly right to compare the Syrian tramp with the Yankee dollar man, Luvee

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on the internet.

No it isn't. I've read some of your posts and mine in comparison, is by no means the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on the Internet.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think it's a Leonard Cohen song. Google thinks so, at least.

Wow and he apologised for patronising me, as if he has the tools.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:22 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Your hardly superior, with your analogy my initial post suggests that it is hardly right to compare the Syrian tramp with the Yankee dollar man, Luvee

*You're

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on the internet.

It's not, it is an arguable point.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:23 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Wow and he apologised for patronising me, as if he has the tools.

Sorry, but I never apologised to you, and I never will.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:25 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:It's not, it is an arguable point.

What, that if you use a car then you're a hypocrite for wanting to reduce emissions? No, it's not. It's dumb as ****. It's like arguing against someone who says we should reduce government debt by criticising them for not donating their wages to that cause.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:26 pm

Guy is a nutjob, but sadly he's a democratically elected nutjob.

Just like Hitler was