Tarkowski

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:35 pm

Yes he made a couple of minor mistakes but look at how much better he played than Luiz and Rudiger who are supposedly world class players!

Sometimes I think people forget these aren't players in computer games. They're only human. The pressure they were under in the last half hour was immense. I could hardly bear watching it- can't imagine trying to play in it!

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:36 pm

Listening in Super Saturday, WBA even at home played a very negative game. Won't be pretty next week..hope SD has a cunning plan.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:36 pm

He saw Batsyhuiusiuiuiuiuriuiuiuiaiuiaua or whatever he is called off no problem in the first half, struggled against Morata but I suspect most will.

charlyt · Post by **charlyt** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:37 pm

[quote="Chuckypad"]Defending against Chelsea's 1st and 2nd goals - Discuss[/quote
Get thee to a nunnery.
You talk like a tart.

Chuckypad · Post by **Chuckypad** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:37 pm

Chill your t/its!

I see this has brought out the best of the Up the Clarets dichotomy....I didn't intend for this to be a Happy clapper vs Doom mongerer, tit for tat

We've just beat Chelsea FFS - Merely wanted to see what posters thought about ONE aspect of Tarkowski's defending. Win, lose or draw, I'd hope as fans we'd have the capacity to dissect and discuss aspects of our players' games

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:40 pm

dermotdermot wrote:You make a post like this when, at the same time, you're the main protagonist against Tarkowski? Do you suffer from some sort of split personality.

Main protagonist? I didn't start the thread and was just stating a fact , when will people realise this is a football messageboard

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:41 pm

can we not just discuss something without having petty digs at each other ?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:43 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:can we not just discuss something without having petty digs at each other ?

Obviously not , the abuse is unacceptable , no one is allowed to have an alternative opinion without the abuse .

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:44 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Tarkowski did a lot right today. Let's also keep that in mind. Made a particularly vital block in the first half. He didn't get much of a run of games last season. Hopefully he will this season and he'll get better and better. However, we do need to keep improving the squad. So I want Shawcross or Dawson. Dawson is unlikely, in my opinion though.

This.

He had a good game overall. But was caught twice and lost his man (the second was particularly soft). However, by then our midfield had pretty much capitulated in the middle - Chelsea were winning everything and the outball to Vokes just wasn't sticking.

I think Tarks will get better the more games he plays. Will he be good enough? who knows but he's got great potential.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:45 pm

joey13 wrote:Obviously not , the abuse is unacceptable , no one is allowed to have an alternative opinion without the abuse .

What abuse? you're the one who's being argumentative. I should have a lie down if I was you.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:49 pm

Chelsea really improved with Moreta coming on - he's going to score a lot. We won't be the only side to concede a few against them with him to cope with.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:51 pm

dermotdermot wrote:What abuse? you're the one who's being argumentative. I should have a lie down if I was you.

The offending post has been rightly deleted.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:52 pm

I can't believe so called "Clarets Fans" are trying to pick holes in that performance and singling out players, especially on the 1st match of the season against the Champions , and the player in question being his 1st actual starting 11 start due to him rather than injuries??? Get a grip and give your heads a wobble ffs, there won't be many times this season where you can revel in being proud of your team so make the best if it!

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:53 pm

If Carlsberg made footy Saturdays.

I'll celebrate

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:54 pm

Arsenal let 3 in last night

Liverpool let 3 in today.

We let 2 in against Chelsea. But win.

Just a bit of perspective gents.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:56 pm

And one of the guys who scored against us cost....£70 million fookin' quid.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:58 pm

When you read the first post, you KNOW that there is only a handful of posters who would write it. Joey13 is right up there.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:58 pm

I think he'd be better in midfield.

Sorry.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:07 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:When you read the first post, you KNOW that there is only a handful of posters who would write it. Joey13 is right up there.

Brilliant, only one thing wrong with that statement, I didn't write it.Before posting try getting your facts right.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:12 pm

C'mon boys we've just beaten the champions of England and probably one of the top 10 sides in the world at their place,we all make mistakes now and then,but to single a player out is wrong,which in my own opinion is one of the finest victories in our history and before I get slated I wasn't here in the 60s UTC

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:20 pm

He did lose concentration twice for the goals and I'm sure SD will let him know but if your gonna do it
do it on a day you beat the Prem champs...he will learn and get better just like Keano did.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:40 pm

For 60 odd minutes he was absolutely sensational. Just needs to keep his concentration, hopefully that'll come and if it does we could have a gem.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:42 pm

Come on guys give the guy a break,he's not Michael Keane,but at least give him a chance.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:44 pm

joey13 wrote:Brilliant, only one thing wrong with that statement, I didn't write it.Before posting try getting your facts right.

You're right Joey, when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong, it doesn't detract from the fact that your negativity could make Blackpool illuminations look like the bottom of a coal mine. But you didn't start this rubbish rolling, apologies.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:45 pm

nobody is nailing him, just pointing out where he needs to improve - I can guarantee the manager is doing the same. People need to understand the difference between observations and criticism

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:46 pm

Michael Keane wasn't Michael Keane until he'd settled into the side. People remember what a great player he was, but forget that he wasn't like that from his first game. Tarks needs time, like everyone else, regardless of profession.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:52 pm

Chuckypad wrote:Defending against Chelsea's 1st and 2nd goals - Discuss

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:54 pm

I'm blowing raspberries in your direction.

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:02 pm

Disappointing mistakes. Hope he learns from them. Willing to give the lad the benefit of the doubt this game. Fantastic result. I was expecting much much worse.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:12 pm

Ben Mee used to always defend well but be at fault for a lot of the goals the more the minutes he got the better he got, same will happen for Tarky be patient.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:13 pm

Always going to be tough at Chelsea, so it's very harsh to judge anyone on the basis of their performance at Stamford Bridge.

However, purely from the perspective of Kevin Long being next in line and us only having 3 viable centre halves, we do need to sign another.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:21 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:You're right Joey, when I'm wrong I say I'm wrong, it doesn't detract from the fact that your negativity could make Blackpool illuminations look like the bottom of a coal mine. But you didn't start this rubbish rolling, apologies.

Thanks

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:27 pm

At least Huddersfield kept a clean sheet eh Joey?

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:28 pm

I think the scout that spotted him needs a pat on the back coz I think he's a fantastic ball playing centre half isn't that far from being the finished article.

Cobblers claret · Post by **Cobblers claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:33 pm

I think a certain Michael Keane didn't have a particularly good first game. Hope this Tarks fella turns out to be as shite as him.

All I know is it's a very long time since I rang up Chelsea mates and gloated.

It took most of the season to record an away win last year. We got that monkey off our back early this season.

We've had some shite and difficult times in our past. This is a second consecutive season in the top and we've just beat the champions in their back yard.

I really don't give a rats earhole who made mistakes I'll watch match of the day in a smug zone and enjoy it with a beer.

I ve nearly crapped myself with fear on the lead up to the orient game I prefer the emotion tonight.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:35 pm

Tarkowski was up against some of the best players of 1 touch football that i've seen for a long time, and kept their goal tally down to 2.

Well done pal, well done.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:39 pm

Tarkowski before today had only played with Kevin Long at the back in the Premier league for Burnley. Give him a chance to form a decent partnership with Ben Mee and he will thrive.
Aside from the two switch offs he was very impressive indeed in my opinion, strong, dominant in the air, good tackles and a couple of very important clearances in the box when Chelsea were threatening.
A good start and will get better.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Braindead wrote:Tarkowski before today had only played with Kevin Long at the back in the Premier league for Burnley. Give him a chance to form a decent partnership with Ben Mee and he will thrive.
Aside from the two switch offs he was very impressive indeed in my opinion, strong, dominant in the air, good tackles and a couple of very important clearances in the box when Chelsea were threatening.
A good start and will get better.

Give a Burnley player a chance? Are you having a laugh?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:43 pm

Wasn't Keane a bit all over the place when he first played for us? Just saying.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:43 pm

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The professionals view. 9/10 second to Sam for MoM.
I thought he was at fault for both goals but mistakes he'll learn from. A call from Lowton could have seen him step up and Morata would have been offside for the first.
Otherwise immense, won everything coming into our box.
Still very early in his PL life and he'll be around for a while.

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:43 pm

Just seen the goals again and he should be disappointed with them. Lost his man very easily. By no means writing the lad off he also made some good clearances. It's an unforgiving Leauge.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:43 pm

From Sky Sports..

Player ratings
Chelsea: Courtois (5), Rudiger (4), Luiz (4), Cahill (3), Azpilicueta (5), Kante (5), Fabregas (4), Alonso (5), Boga (4), Willian (5), Batshuayi (5)
Subs: Christensen (5), Morata (6), Musonda (NA)
Burnley: Heaton (7), Lowton (7), Tarkowski (9), Mee (7), Ward (8), Gudmundsson (7), Cork (8), Hendrick (7), Defour (8), Brady (8), Vokes (9)
Subs: Arfield (6), Walters (6)
Man of the match: Sam Vokes

What does a player have to do FFS?

edit, just seen your post piston, apologies.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:56 pm

joey13 wrote:Thanks

Don't mention it.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:58 pm

Zom Zom wrote:From Sky Sports..

Player ratings
Chelsea: Courtois (5), Rudiger (4), Luiz (4), Cahill (3), Azpilicueta (5), Kante (5), Fabregas (4), Alonso (5), Boga (4), Willian (5), Batshuayi (5)
Subs: Christensen (5), Morata (6), Musonda (NA)
Burnley: Heaton (7), Lowton (7), Tarkowski (9), Mee (7), Ward (8), Gudmundsson (7), Cork (8), Hendrick (7), Defour (8), Brady (8), Vokes (9)
Subs: Arfield (6), Walters (6)
Man of the match: Sam Vokes

What does a player have to do FFS?

edit, just seen your post piston, apologies.

How can Sky Sports get it so wrong?

I had Tarks 8,Mee 8 and Vokes 8 (others as Sky) - but then I was front row in the Lower Shed, couldn't really see the positioning at the other end of the pitch - where all 5 goals were scored.

Tarks looked great in the first half, as though he'd been playing Premier League all his life. Give him time, he will get better.

UTC

Ilkley claret · Post by **Ilkley claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:00 pm

He was blooming brillant first half

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:08 pm

Braindead wrote:Tarkowski before today had only played with Kevin Long at the back in the Premier league for Burnley.

Wrong

Flat Stanley · Post by **Flat Stanley** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:10 pm

He had a great game overall. Yes he lost his man for at least one of the goals but was totally dominant in the first half. People gave Ben Mee a free pass when he was making mistakes and giving away goals and we should give Tarks the same chance. There is a great player in there he just needs time to learn. He has all the attributes [other than pace] be a really top class defender. He is strong, great in the air in both boxes, good touch, great passer, good tackler and blocker what more do you want without spending £30m? Saved us at least a couple of goals today as well.

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:28 pm

From TV view Tarks did some good stuff, some not so good.
Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes, Keane did and look where he is now.
Give the guy a chance and I reckon he'll do ok, being part of a team that's just beaten the current PL champions away is a good start

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:28 pm

What did I think of Tarkowski - I'll tell you.

CHELSEA 2 BURNLEY 3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm struggling to grasp the idea that anything else matters! Ask me again tomorrow. Or next week.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:34 pm

Get a bloody grip, a team of heros today.

No need at all for this thread or negativity.