Nahki Wells

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:35 pm

jlup1980 wrote:Suggesting it's around £5m, which given the current market, his age and his record isn't bad. £5m is £1m in old money. Overall we'll have paid out £1.5 to replace Gray with Wood and Wells. That's clever business.

When you put it like that, it's not so bad.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:36 pm

Apparently we are only signing him to **** off the Leeds fans because they want Wells to replace Wood. Seems that every cloud has a silver lining.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:36 pm

Rileybobs wrote:That's just a collection of words which form a nonsensical sentence.

You said Taylor wouldn't play this season. I pointed out that he already had played this season.

Sadly as you jumped into someone else's discussion, and you didn't read the initial post.
If you had, you would of* been aware of what was meant by a season ( not a game )

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:36 pm

IndigoLake wrote:When you put it like that, it's not so bad.

By that logic we only got £5m for England defender Michael Keane. Astonishingly bad business.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:39 pm

MACCA wrote:Sadly as you jumped into someone else's discussion, and you didn't read the initial post.
If you had, you would of* been aware of what was meant by a season ( not a game )

It's a public messageboard, I pointed out that you were wrong in thinking that Taylor would not play all season, because he already has. Best to just admit you're wrong.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:40 pm

Nobody has anything against Wells, and we all hope he does well, but he quite clearly has never been our first choice, and when we have spent weeks chasing other targets, this signing smacks of a return to 2014/15, and desperation.

There are questions that need to be asked, when we should have ample money to spend, why we have resorted to signing an injured Championship striker, who will have no sell on fee at the end of his contract with us, and has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he will even make it as a top Championship striker.

There are legitimate concerns about this signing. Course we bloody have faith in Dyche, but the club and manager should never be exonerated from blame, or criticism, where it's warranted. This isn't a dictatorship.

Again, if we are holding back funds for a CB and/or winger then fine, but it's less that 48 hours before the window shuts and we still need blindingly obvious reinforcements at the back and out wide. If we fail to sign a CB or winger in time, then the signing of Wells is nothing more than a pitiful end to another transfer window failure.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:40 pm

Edited- duplicated. See above.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:41 pm

MACCA wrote:Cover and competition for places.

Don't think he will take Wards place for a year or 2 though IMO

If they're not a guaranteed starter, Taylor is exactly the profile of player we should be signing. Ones that will push the current incumbent and eventually, take their place in the team.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:43 pm

DCWat wrote:If they're not a guaranteed starter, Taylor is exactly the profile of player we should be signing. Ones that will push the current incumbent and eventually, take their place in the team.

Agree but Walters, Bardsley and Wells just don't do that. Taylor, Cork and Wood are great signings.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It's a public messageboard, I pointed out that you were wrong in thinking that Taylor would not play all season, because he already has. Best to just admit you're wrong.

I'm wrong.

And I definitely did not know Taylor had played already this season.

Thank you for pointing out my opinion was wrong

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:44 pm

Walters and Bardsley provide competition and experience. Not sure how Wells fits into either category.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:45 pm

Pecking order?
1. Vokes
2. Wood
3: Barnes, Walters, Wells

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:45 pm

I'm tired out after reading all this thread.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:45 pm

DCWat wrote:If they're not a guaranteed starter, Taylor is exactly the profile of player we should be signing. Ones that will push the current incumbent and eventually, take their place in the team.

Absolutely, but Taylor has already played this season!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:46 pm

MACCA wrote:I'm wrong.

And I definitely did not know Taylor had played already this season.

Thank you for pointing out my opinion was wrong

No probs, here to help!!

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:46 pm

I for one am glad we are signing him.

It's going to take some people on here a bloody eternity to pick all the toys up they have thrown out of their peaks.

Welcome to Turf Moor Nakhi. You'll get my support.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Macca is right, Taylor has already played this season.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:47 pm

Taylor hasn't played in the league this season. That's the bread and butter.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:47 pm

mikeS wrote:Pecking order?
1. Vokes
2. Wood
3: Barnes, Walters, Wells

15k to 20k a week to get splinters in his arse. Nice work if you can get it.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:47 pm

Marlonspants wrote:I for one am glad we are signing him.

It's going to take some people on here a bloody eternity to pick all the toys up they have thrown out of their peaks.

Welcome to Turf Moor Nakhi. You'll get my support.

He hasn't played yet this season.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:49 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Taylor hasn't played in the league this season. That's the bread and butter.

No, a couple of cup games equals a good season.

Pope last year was mesmeric, can't believe he got over looked for England.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:49 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahki_Wells#Club_career" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pop down to his career statistics. 42goals in 91 apps for Bradford followed by 44goals in 143 for Huddersfield. Can't be written off.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:52 pm

MACCA wrote:No, a couple of cup games equals a good season.

Pope last year was mesmeric, can't believe he got over looked for England.

The Pope is Argentinian, you wally.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:52 pm

Marlonspants wrote:I for one am glad we are signing him.

It's going to take some people on here a bloody eternity to pick all the toys up they have thrown out of their peaks.

Welcome to Turf Moor Nakhi. You'll get my support.

He'll get all our support.

But there are legitimate concerns why we have ended up signing an average, injured, Championship striker with less than 48 hours of the window remaining.

It smacks of failure, desperation. An almost 'he'll do' signing, to cover the cracks, bolster the squad, instead of it being a signing to seriously strengthen the first 11, which is what we STILL need to do.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:53 pm

piston broke wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahki_Wells#Club_career

pop down to his career statistics. 42goals in 91 apps for Bradford followed by 44goals in 143 for Huddersfield. Can't be written off.

Lower league footballer

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:53 pm

KRBFC wrote:So did Dyche not really want Waris?
What's our net spend this summer?
At a guess, we are set to record a profit on outgoings/incomings.

I am sure the Board and Dyche will agree a price that they will spend on a player.I don't know how badly Dyche wanted Waris or Andone or anybody else but I am sure that the Board and Dyche discuss our targets and have a price limit.They do talk to each other not just bandy figures around on a message board.As for net spend I don't know the figures and if I start saying we only got around £31m for Keane and Gray not £50m I will have Cricketfieldclaret after me

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:53 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Nobody has anything against Wells, and we all hope he does well, but he quite clearly has never been our first choice, and when we have spent weeks chasing other targets, this signing smacks of a return to 2014/15, and desperation.

There are questions that need to be asked, when we should have ample money to spend, why we have resorted to signing an injured Championship striker, who will have no sell on fee at the end of his contract with us, and has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he will even make it as a top Championship striker.

There are legitimate concerns about this signing. Course we bloody have faith in Dyche, but the club and manager should never be exonerated from blame, or criticism, where it's warranted. This isn't a dictatorship.

Again, if we are holding back funds for a CB and/or winger then fine, but it's less that 48 hours before the window shuts and we still need blindingly obvious reinforcements at the back and out wide. If we fail to sign a CB or winger in time, then the signing of Wells is nothing more than a pitiful end to another transfer window failure.

Firstly, this is nothing like 14/15. Ironically, had we signed Wells then we arguably would have had a much better season.

Secondly, his scoring record at Championship level is better than Vokes and vastly better than Barnes. I haven't compared to Wood but I suspect it's similar.

Thirdly, we've just signed Chris Wood for £15m and we're playing 451. Vokes and Wood are our main strikers. We needed a different option from the bench and Wells gives us that. He certainly has more goal threat than Barnes or Walters. How much do you think we should be signing a 3rd / 4th choice striker for?

Fourthly, have faith.

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Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:55 pm

mikeS wrote:Pecking order?
1. Vokes
2. Wood
3: Barnes, Walters, Wells

More like:

Vokes + Barnes OR Wells

OR

Wood + Barnes OR Wells

Having said that, if we do sign Wells today I think Barnes will be off tomorrow.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:56 pm

TsarBomba wrote:It smacks of failure, desperation. An almost 'he'll do' signing, to cover the cracks, bolster the squad, instead of it being a signing to seriously strengthen the first 11, which is what we STILL need to do.

There may be concerns over injuries to players and strength in depth but the team that played Spurs is a good one. If our players remained injury free for the season (unlikely I know) are you saying our first eleven still isn't good enough for the PL?

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:56 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:If all we want is another body and it doesn't matter about the quality, then sign Doris the cleaner.

We're in the Premier League. Let's sign some Premier League players to play in our Premier League team.

Yeah but 'Premier League players' cost a lot of money in fees and wages. We don't have the budget for a squad full of 'Premier League players'.

Walters, Bardsley, Taylor, Wells - these are Moneyball signings, the sorts of signings we need for our squad, nothing to get down about.

Wells is well-known to Dyche and staff so should be able to integrate. His goal record in the Championship stands up to comparison with Vokes, Wood, Barnes, Gray. He fits the position vacated by Gray, and he'll give us the option of changing things from the bench. When fit I can see him making a similar contribution to Gray.

brigante · Post by **brigante** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:57 pm

Used in the right way, with support from another striker and a midfield that has arguably the best eye for goal in a generation, I think he could be an astute signing.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:57 pm

It's not about whether he will get our support or not, that's a given. I'll give him my full support. What most people are miffed about is that:

a. this seems like a cheap option
b. this isn't a signing that will drastically improve our team (squad options maybe)
c. This could signal the end in any pursuits for a much needed quality wide/link man
d. As we have been linked with him in the past, it smacks of a name at the end of the list who can "do a job"

JamesSherbourne · Post by **JamesSherbourne** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:58 pm

Has he even signed ?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:59 pm

lucs86 wrote:Yeah but 'Premier League players' cost a lot of money in fees and wages. We don't have the budget for a squad full of 'Premier League players'.

We do. We receive £100m in TV money each season. We've just made £50m from selling players.

We've got stacks and stacks of cash.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:00 pm

The more I think about it the more I think this signing is a marketing ploy to increase our exposure in Bermuda.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:00 pm

Swansea gets Renato Sanches, West Brom gets Krychowiak. We get Wells!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:01 pm

Jimscho wrote:I am sure the Board and Dyche will agree a price that they will spend on a player.I don't know how badly Dyche wanted Waris or Andone or anybody else but I am sure that the Board and Dyche discuss our targets and have a price limit.They do talk to each other not just bandy figures around on a message board.As for net spend I don't know the figures and if I start saying we only got around £31m for Keane and Gray not £50m I will have Cricketfieldclaret after me

The touchstone for a decent summer is to end it with a stronger first eleven AND a stronger squad than we started with.

At present, thats not the case - Cork improves the first eleven, Wood may or may not do so but is in a battle for his place with Vokes, and everyone else signed is currently padding out the squad - and so far as anyone can tell based on his record, Wells doesn't change that. The fact that Arfield, Heaton and others vastly exceeded expectations is no guarantee that we'll do so every time and besides, with our financial position we ought to be well beyond the point where we need to pull rabbits out of the hat in the transfer market. Wells isnt young enough to be an investment and both the fact he's missed a big chunk of pre season and has a variable record in the lower divisions suggests he's not going to have an immediate starting impact. The fact the fee might not be 10 million is a pyhric victory when he's unlikely to be a player who immediately improves the first eleven.

There's still 30 hours left in the window, so still time to bring in a couple of players who do improve the first team. But we're moving closer to the point of reckoning and it's hard to be confident that we're going to be able to view the window as a net success.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:02 pm

Slurpy wrote:Swansea gets Renato Sanches, West Brom gets Krychowiak. We get Wells!

And don't forget Manchester United got Lukaku.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:02 pm

File under Juke/Sordell. #last minute/sixth choice before the window shuts.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:04 pm

Slurpy wrote:Swansea gets Renato Sanches, West Brom gets Krychowiak. We get Wells!

Renato Sanches won't cut it in this league not a player who likes any sort of contact goes missing alot.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:04 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:We do. We receive £100m in TV money each season. We've just made £50m from selling players.

We've got stacks and stacks of cash.

We have wages and bills to pay and we got £31/32m not £50m.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:05 pm

Slurpy wrote:Swansea gets Renato Sanches, West Brom gets Krychowiak. We get Wells!

At least I've heard of Wells!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:06 pm

claretspice wrote:The touchstone for a decent summer is to end it with a stronger first eleven AND a stronger squad than we started with.

At present, thats not the case - Cork improves the first eleven, Wood may or may not do so but is in a battle for his place with Vokes, and everyone else signed is currently padding out the squad - and so far as anyone can tell based on his record, Wells doesn't change that. The fact that Arfield, Heaton and others vastly exceeded expectations is no guarantee that we'll do so every time and besides, with our financial position we ought to be well beyond the point where we need to pull rabbits out of the hat in the transfer market. The fact the fee might not be 10 million is a pyhric victory when he's unlikely to be a player who immediately improves the first eleven.

There's still 30 hours left in the window, so still time to bring in a couple of players who do improve the first team. But we're moving closer to the point of reckoning and it's hard to be confident that we're going to be able to view the window as a net success.

Surely the only reliable measure of whether the first eleven is better or not is results. on that basis it's better than it was last season.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Jimscho wrote:We have wages and bills to pay and we got £31/32m not £50m.

We've also not paid out the headline figures - works both ways so it's still a valid point.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:09 pm

"At least I've heard of Wells"!

In North Somerset isn't it?

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:09 pm

claretspice wrote:The touchstone for a decent summer is to end it with a stronger first eleven AND a stronger squad than we started with.

At present, thats not the case - Cork improves the first eleven, Wood may or may not do so but is in a battle for his place with Vokes, and everyone else signed is currently padding out the squad - and so far as anyone can tell based on his record, Wells doesn't change that. The fact that Arfield, Heaton and others vastly exceeded expectations is no guarantee that we'll do so every time and besides, with our financial position we ought to be well beyond the point where we need to pull rabbits out of the hat in the transfer market. The fact the fee might not be 10 million is a pyhric victory when he's unlikely to be a player who immediately improves the first eleven.

There's still 30 hours left in the window, so still time to bring in a couple of players who do improve the first team. But we're moving closer to the point of reckoning and it's hard to be confident that we're going to be able to view the window as a net success.

For all our recent successes, the one niggle remains the fairly limited pool from which we shop. Previously it was mainly due to resources, but this summer I think there's an element that Dyche simply doesn't trust what his recruitment team are bringing to him. We continue to essentially buy almost exclusively from a relatively small pool of players that Dyche and his coaching team know well through their own history or because we've encountered the players regularly in opposition.

There's even a suggestion with this deal that the Chief Executive has been particularly influential.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:I like Taylor, a good signing. The point is, Robertson appeared to be Dyche's main LB target, we wouldn't pay the fee for him.

Not so - Taylor was always our number one target for left back. We tried very hard to sign him a year ago.

skibum84 · Post by **skibum84** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:12 pm

When I saw him play in the playoffs I thought he looked a really good player and someone we should go for if they didn't get promoted. Stood out as a quality footballer and he's a player who can easily increase in value.

The comments on this site make me cringe. Do people expect us to go spend £30million on someone who might get fail and be worth £10 next summer after spending £5 on wages?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:15 pm

Welcome to Burnley! I hope the lad makes a few people eat their words.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:15 pm

claretspice wrote:The touchstone for a decent summer is to end it with a stronger first eleven AND a stronger squad than we started with.

At present, thats not the case - Cork improves the first eleven, Wood may or may not do so but is in a battle for his place with Vokes, and everyone else signed is currently padding out the squad - and so far as anyone can tell based on his record, Wells doesn't change that. The fact that Arfield, Heaton and others vastly exceeded expectations is no guarantee that we'll do so every time and besides, with our financial position we ought to be well beyond the point where we need to pull rabbits out of the hat in the transfer market. Wells isnt young enough to be an investment and both the fact he's missed a big chunk of pre season and has a variable record in the lower divisions suggests he's not going to have an immediate starting impact. The fact the fee might not be 10 million is a pyhric victory when he's unlikely to be a player who immediately improves the first eleven.

There's still 30 hours left in the window, so still time to bring in a couple of players who do improve the first team. But we're moving closer to the point of reckoning and it's hard to be confident that we're going to be able to view the window as a net success.

I have to disagree with you on the strength of the squad.I think the players brought in are better than those that have left,apart from Keane.Not to sorry to lose Gray,don't think he wanted to be here.Boyd I liked but he was better protecting the defence than attacking.Thought Darikwa was out of his depth in Prem.Think Taylor,Bardsley,Walters are better back up squad players and Cork and Wood willl be good signings.I do think we need another CB as it could be a problem with an injury.