Everton move for Dyche

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:22 pm

For anyone thinking Everton are a mess they are 10/1 to go down. Were only 9/2 despite getting nearly half the points required already.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:04 pm

I honestly can't see how Everton are such a big pull for any top manager. They play in a dump of a stadium which has not had a penny spent on it for the last 30 years. I can't think of any trophys they have won in the last 20 years. They have American owners who have a reputation for bleeding clubs dry and have only been their 6 months. I think Dyche has to much oil in his can to take the job, no matter what the media lot thinks

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:08 pm

Top Claret wrote:I honestly can't see how Everton are such a big pull for any top manager. They play in a dump of a stadium which has not had a penny spent on it for the last 30 years. I can't think of any trophys they have won in the last 20 years. They have American owners who have a reputation for bleeding clubs dry and have only been their 6 months. I think Dyche has to much oil in his can to take the job, no matter what the media lot thinks

They're moving into a new stadium within the next few years and their owners aren't American. They haven't won any trophies since the FA Cup in 1995, but then not many clubs have.

Apart from that, good post.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:20 pm

Tall Paul wrote:They haven't won any trophies since the FA Cup in 1995, but then not many clubs have

Only 17 other clubs have won anything since Everton last did.

Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea, Leicester City, Manchester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City, Liverpool, Birmingham City, Portsmouth, Tottenham Hotspur, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Fulham, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Ham United.

Apart from that, a good fact

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:22 pm

'a dump of a stadium's

Surely the worst view on offer there is for away fans with Liverpool a close second.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:25 pm

Right guys it looks like the Everton job has sailed by Dyche,where is his" Dyche to " thread going to be next?i don't think it will be to Tesco in Rawtenstall but you never know,they have a lot of competition in that small town, maybe he could save them.

scamander · Post by **scamander** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:31 pm

I'm not wholly sold on Everton in terms of them having a large financial backing. Do they have rich owners? Yes, but ones who've just spent a lot of cash on a number of players who are on big contracts.

I'd be surprised if any manager going in will be given a war chest. He'll most likely have to sell before he recruits anyone. Not just financially but in logistical terms. I'd imagine this will be part of the job offer/challenge for any new manager there.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:34 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Only 17 other clubs have won anything since Everton last did.

Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea, Leicester City, Manchester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City, Liverpool, Birmingham City, Portsmouth, Tottenham Hotspur, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Fulham, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Ham United.

Apart from that, a good fact

Given that there have been over 100 trophies handed out in that time, 17 isn't many.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Given that there have been over 100 trophies handed out in that time, 17 isn't many.

I was just highlightly perspective and to be mindful of others perspective when tailoring info to suit an argument. 17 is approx 1 in 5 of the 92 clubs in the league system, and if we assume that the bottom 2 tiers are extremely unlikely to win anything then that becomes approx 1 in 2.5 clubs.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:46 pm

Tall Paul wrote:They're moving into a new stadium within the next few years and their owners aren't American. They haven't won any trophies since the FA Cup in 1995, but then not many clubs have.

Apart from that, good post.

You have hit the nail on the head there Paul (moving into a new stadium in a few years) that is no good for Dyche will more than likely have moved on by then

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:49 pm

The only problem I can see at Everton is Steve Walsh. Pretty evident that Koeman didn't want to sign certain players this summer yet they were bought - I can't see Dyche being happy to work that way.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:51 pm

He can't be that arsed about a "dump of a stadium" if he's stayed here for 5 years.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:59 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Only 17 other clubs have won anything since Everton last did.

Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea, Leicester City, Manchester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City, Liverpool, Birmingham City, Portsmouth, Tottenham Hotspur, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Fulham, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Ham United.

Apart from that, a good fact

Make that 16 other clubs. West Ham haven't won a major trophy since 1980. Unless you count blagging a free stadium at the taxpayers' expense.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:06 pm

Sausage wrote:Make that 16 other clubs. West Ham haven't won a major trophy since 1980. Unless you count blagging a free stadium at the taxpayers' expense.

The UEFA Intertoto Cup is considered to be a major trophy (albeit discontinued) and I believe they won that in 1999, so it is 17 clubs. That said, it is missing the point that there have been many winners of major cups since Everton last won something.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:07 pm

Sausage wrote:Make that 16 other clubs. West Ham haven't won a major trophy since 1980. Unless you count blagging a free stadium at the taxpayers' expense.

Newcastle haven't won one either. I think Rick must be counting the Intertoto Cup.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:08 pm

Sausage wrote:Make that 16 other clubs. West Ham haven't won a major trophy since 1980. Unless you count blagging a free stadium at the taxpayers' expense.

Fulham? Make that 15.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:10 pm

My source of info... but still missing the point...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... onours_won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:15 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:My source of info... but still missing the point...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... onours_won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For the point to stand, I'd say you can only class The Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League or Europa League as an 'elite honour'.

Nothing about the Intertoto Cup was an elite honour...

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:16 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:My source of info... but still missing the point...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... onours_won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But, as I said, 17 isn't many given the number of trophies that have been available in that time, and if we ignore the Intertoto Cup (as we probably should) it's only 14.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:17 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:The UEFA Intertoto Cup is considered to be a major trophy (albeit discontinued) and I believe they won that in 1999

******* hell. Really? The Intertoto was merely a qualifying exercise for the UEFA Cup, evidenced by the fact that there were three Intertoto cup winners in 1999: Juventus, Montpellier and West Ham.

Anyway, it's not really worth falling out over. Safe to say that West Ham haven't won a major domestic honour since 1980.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:18 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:'a dump of a stadium's

Surely the worst view on offer there is for away fans with Liverpool a close second.

Palace is pretty bad...cant see the players from the waist up!

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:My source of info... but still missing the point...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... onours_won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm with you. Tall Paul is a **** boy dickhead.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:30 pm

Wolves manager getting a big mention this morning too

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:37 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:My source of info... but still missing the point...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... onours_won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think you forgot to include the LG Performance of the Week Award but yes your ridiculous point does still stand

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:38 pm

I reckon they will bring in Sam until the end of the season to see where they are then, whether a rebuild is needed, but I honestly think they are going to have to start from scratch again.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I think you forgot to include the LG Performance of the Week Award but yes your ridiculous point does still stand

Cheers DA - that made me chuckle

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:09 pm

Possibly the only incentive for Dyche to move to the toffees is a lifetime supply of these......

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:33 pm

Pros...."big" city club, chairman with a budget and wants to spend the cash, a decent chance at repetitively securing a top 8 position over the coming seasons. More draw of foreign and a better youth / scouting systems

Cons....they are a "buy success now" type owners, will not forgive shortcomings, will DEMAND results to change now, probably will not give him an enormous amount of time to get things right.

Tbh, it resembles a much smaller but similar situation when Moyes left Everton for Utd. Had done wonders for Everton, settled the ship, had real prospects. Loved by fans. But his style of Football could not be played at Utd and wasn't like by players, fans or the club. But could not make that leap up properly.

Tbh, only Stoke or WBA I see Dyche making a jump onto which offer him security, control and time to get things right. Just cannot see Everton offering that. Nor Leicester. Or Watford either.

Wish him all the best whatever decision he makes, what he has done for this club in the last 5 years will stay with me for a lifetime

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:40 pm

Dyche would get one and a half seasons.

Now til the end: Dyche grinds out of wins, fans and the owners just glad to be out of trouble, can push on next year...

Next year: Has to totally adapt style of play to keep fickle fans entertained and do so with a squad which is not his and a real hodgepodge of purchases. Mid table finish but it let go in the summer when a famous European name becomes available.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:49 pm

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... em-balague" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Refreshing news from Molineux; a man who knows how to say no.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:28 pm

In the light of this, It would be nice if someone asked Sky to explain why, yesterday, they reported that Dyche was about to be offered th job!!!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:31 pm

Why would Dyche want it if he isn’t genuinely their first choice. If this is correct and they have looked at the wolves manager I can’t see him going.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:49 pm

Tuesday morning we were expecting movement, reported of course by the shithawks at shitSky.

Thursday night and still no movement.

Good.

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm

Maybe just maybe Dyche has already said NO!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm

BFS coming up on the rails

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:53 pm

bobinho wrote:Tuesday morning we were expecting movement, reported of course by the shithawks at shitSky.

Thursday night and still no movement.

Good.

It’s Wednesday

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm

Yeah.

Wednesday.

Cheers Joey.

Kids...don't do tea.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:39 pm

I don't see why we as a set of fans should be subject to emotional blackmail and be made to feel ill every time a job comes up elsewhere, either by the board of directors or the manager. Lots of folk just don't need this pantomime bullsh*t.

If you haven't got the honour to respect your fans then go, Dyche. Good riddance to a psychological game player.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:44 pm

Pstotto wrote:I don't see why we as a set of fans should be subject to emotional blackmail and be made to feel ill every time a job comes up elsewhere, either by the board of directors or the manager. Lots of folk just don't need this pantomime bullsh*t.

If you haven't got the honour to respect your fans then go, Dyche. Good riddance to a psychological game player.

Steady on lad,it's only a game ..

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:46 pm

joey13 wrote:It’s Wednesday

That Monday night football has really screwed my body clock.
I managed to convince myself that today was Thursday.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:That Monday night football has really screwed my body clock.
I managed to convince myself that today was Thursday.

It’ll be the extra hour at weekend

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

joey13 wrote:It’s Wednesday

you b'stard, I was really hoping it was Friday tomorrow and now you've gone and spoilt it...

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:46 pm

Wolves manager turned them down now,leaveSean alone,he loves where he is,as are all of us!

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:14 pm

I don’t understand why some on here view Everton as being SD’s “level” and that somehow he couldn’t manage one of the big six, apparently because of his framework style.....

Do they not recognize that his framework is adjustable to the players he has available to him?

Personally I feel bertiebeehole had it right in post #75 - Arsenal is certainly within his reach and would be ideal for a Dyche-applied framework, but with flair players...

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:14 pm

Yeah conjo and football is the game, not all this other cr*p.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:42 pm

Balague is full of shite.

He makes a living from Sky from repeating stuff he’s read in Spanish sports papers.

If he was to be believed Messi would be at Coty and Ronaldo and Bale would on either wing at United.

Everyone thinks he’s ace because he’s Spanish. He talks ******** half the time. He was good 15 years ago now he’s a parody of himself.

Heat on number 1 · Post by **Heat on number 1** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:46 pm

I would love Everyone to come in for Dyche and then for him to tell them thanks but no thanks who do these "big clubs" think they are think they can just click their fingers and Dyche will go running, may be he will but it's a total lack of respect and the media are no better or the pundits

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:46 pm

It's also on the BBC webpages about Nuno.

Heat on number 1 · Post by **Heat on number 1** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:51 pm

That would have been Everton not everyone sorry my first post and I got it wrong

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:53 pm

Top Claret wrote:I honestly can't see how Everton are such a big pull for any top manager. They play in a dump of a stadium which has not had a penny spent on it for the last 30 years. I can't think of any trophys they have won in the last 20 years. They have American owners who have a reputation for bleeding clubs dry and have only been their 6 months. I think Dyche has to much oil in his can to take the job, no matter what the media lot thinks

Nice bit of America bashing here.

Glazer family (Manchester United), John Henry (Liverpool), Stan Kroenke (Arsenal), Steve Kaplan (Swansea), Ellis Short (Sunderland), Josh Harris and David Blitzer (Crystal Palace).

...

Bleeding clubs dry? Hah. What did they do to upset you?