Europa at short notice ..

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:32 am

Am I understanding this correctly? online it says 7th place will take part in the 2nd round qualifier which will be played between July 26 - Aug 2 and the draw for these are on the 23rd of July ! that's short notice for travel etc or is at as I suspect I'm wrong ?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:35 am

Pretty sure the draw is on 19th June.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:36 am

Draw is on the 19th

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:39 am

Draw is 19th June.

3rd round draw 23rd July.

We’ll know our opponents for the third round before we kick a ball.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:39 am

Don’t know the exact dates but the OP is about right in terms of when we will find out who we are playing - we do have short notice.
The draw is on the 19th June for the 1st and 2nd round including when we are home and away I think. So we will know which one of 2 teams we will play but not which one till the first round winner is decided

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:41 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:We’ll know our opponents for the third round before we kick a ball.

No, I have no idea who you are referring to.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:41 am

Thought so cheers

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:42 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Draw is 19th June.

3rd round draw 23rd July.

We’ll know our opponents for the third round before we kick a ball.

Not sure that’s right - won’t we know the 2 teams who play each other with us due to play the winner (if we win our 2nd round game) ?

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Thu May 10, 2018 8:46 am

So we’ll know our opponents when the first round second leg is concluded? Have I got that right.
Sky scanner will crash that night

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 10, 2018 9:13 am

Garnerssoap wrote:So we’ll know our opponents when the first round second leg is concluded? Have I got that right.
Sky scanner will crash that night

Yes

Maja · Post by **Maja** » Thu May 10, 2018 10:11 am

did it?

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu May 10, 2018 10:31 am

So below are the draw details for next season's Europa League:

2nd Qualifying round draw date - 19th June (Games 26th July and 2nd August)

3rd Qualifying round draw date - 23rd July (Games 9th August and 16th August

Play Off round draw date - 6th August (Games 23rd August and 30th August)

Group Stages draw date - 31st August (Games 20th September, 4th October, 25th October, 8th November, 29th November and 13th December)

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu May 10, 2018 10:38 am

Dates are all here https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/n ... 99865.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So far as I can tell we won't know who we're playing until 19th July (the conclusion of the first qualifying round). That is a week, pretty short notice.

June
12 June: Preliminary round draw, Nyon
19 June: First & second qualifying round draws, Nyon
28 June: Preliminary round, first leg

July
5 July: Preliminary round, second leg
12 July: First qualifying round, first leg
19 July: First qualifying round, second leg
23 July: Third qualifying round draw, Nyon
26 July: Second qualifying round, first leg

August
2 August: Second qualifying round, second leg
6 August: Play-off round draw, Nyon
9 August: Third qualifying round, first leg
16 August: Third qualifying round, second leg
23 August: Play-off round, first leg
30 August: Play-off round, second leg
31 August: Group stage draw, Monaco

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu May 10, 2018 10:48 am

Only at the conclusion of the 1st round ties on 19th July will we know our opponents and we will then only have a maximum of 2 weeks before our away leg (2nd August) or just 1 week if we're away in the 1st leg (26th July). No time at all to sort out tickets and transport etc.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu May 10, 2018 10:54 am

It looks like the biggest botch up ever.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:25 am

All the draw and round dates are at

http://www.uptheclarets.com/friendlies-and-key-dates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:26 am

one game at a time!

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:28 am

Garnerssoap wrote:So we’ll know our opponents when the first round second leg is concluded? Have I got that right.
Sky scanner will crash that night

Not if we draw Connah's Quay FC, the Trainline website might though

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:31 am

I’m sure the people in charge of our Ticket Office will have it all in hand.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:34 am

Away for the 2nd qualifying 2nd leg and (if needed) the 3rd qualifying 1st leg

Bugger, hope we get through so I can at least see us in a European competition

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 11:45 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’m sure the people in charge of our Ticket Office will have it all in hand.

Potentially selling 1000's of tickets using our 'loyalty' scheme in just a few days (as posting won't be possible)? I'm sure they and the ticketing system will cope admirably.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:17 pm

Leisure wrote:Only at the conclusion of the 1st round ties on 19th July will we know our opponents and we will then only have a maximum of 2 weeks before our away leg (2nd August) or just 1 week if we're away in the 1st leg (26th July). No time at all to sort out tickets and transport etc.

So our only hope of having games where we could plan in advance and hopefully get cheaper flights/accommodation would be if we get to the group stage?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Away for the 2nd qualifying 2nd leg and (if needed) the 3rd qualifying 1st leg

Bugger, hope we get through so I can at least see us in a European competition

Yep exactly the same for me.

I've put the family on warning though that I might have to nip out to "the shops" for a couple of days in the middle of the holiday.

Ideal scenario for me is that we are away in the first leg of the second round - hopefully in Ireland. And then we play Bordeaux in the first leg of the 3rd round !!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:26 pm

I'm on a cruise.

A f**king cruise, the only time we get to Europe in my lifetime and I'm at sea.

Hurstclaret · Post by **Hurstclaret** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:45 pm

If we get through the qualifying rounds do we go into the play off round or straight into the group stage?

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:46 pm

There are loads of clubs who come in at the second qualifying stage; we could draw one of them meaning we'd know a month in advance. If we draw a winner from the first qualifying round we won't know till a week before. That's the way i understand it but i could be wrong.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu May 10, 2018 1:11 pm

I think it would be a decent gesture by the club to put the qualifying round home legs on our season cards

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu May 10, 2018 1:28 pm

Make of this what you will -

Round and draw dates

The schedule of the competition is as follows (all draws are held at the UEFA headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, unless stated otherwise).
Phase Round Draw date First leg Second leg
Preliminary Preliminary round 12 June 2018 28 June 2018 5 July 2018
Qualifying 1st qualifying round 19 June 2018 12 July 2018 19 July 2018
2nd qualifying round 26 July 2018 2 August 2018
3rd qualifying round 23 July 2018 9 August 2018 16 August 2018
Play-off Play-off round 6 August 2018 23 August 2018 30 August 2018
Group stage Matchday 1 31 August 2018 20 September 2018
Matchday 2 4 October 2018
Matchday 3 25 October 2018
Matchday 4 8 November 2018
Matchday 5 29 November 2018
Matchday 6 13 December 2018
Knockout phase Round of 32 17 December 2018 14 February 2019 21 February 2019
Round of 16 22 February 2019 7 March 2019 14 March 2019
Quarter-finals 15 March 2019 11 April 2019 18 April 2019
Semi-finals 19 April 2019 2 May 2019 9 May 2019
Final 29 May 2019 at Olympic Stadium, Baku

Matches in the qualifying (including preliminary and play-off) and knockout rounds may also be played on Tuesdays or Wednesdays instead of the regular Thursdays due to scheduling conflicts.

Preliminary round
Note: All qualified teams below are listed with their 2018 UEFA club coefficients (CC).[14] A new club coefficient system will be used for seeding starting from the 2018–19 season, which is calculated by the maximum of either the club points in the previous five years or 20% of the association points over the same period (instead of the sum of the two values). In cases where the club coefficients are to be determined (teams from their associations are still active in 2017–18 UEFA club competitions), the latest club coefficients are listed.

In the preliminary round, teams are drawn into two-legged home-and-away ties.

The draw for the preliminary round will be held on 12 June 2018. The first legs will be played on 28 June, and the second legs will be played on 5 July 2018.

A total of 16 teams are expected to play in the preliminary round.

Malta Birkirkara CC: 2.750
Lithuania Trakai CC: 1.750
San Marino La Fiorita CC: 1.750
Faroe Islands B36 Tórshavn CC: 1.500
Wales Bala Town CC: 1.000
Malta Gżira United CC: 0.900
Wales Connah's Quay Nomads CC: 0.775
Faroe Islands NSÍ Runavík CC: 0.750
Faroe Islands KÍ Klaksvík CC: 0.750
Andorra Engordany CC: 0.266
Wales Winners of 2017–18 Welsh Premier League Europa League play-offs
Gibraltar Winners of 2017–18 Rock Cup
Gibraltar Runners-up of 2017–18 Gibraltar Premier Division
Andorra Winners of 2018 Copa Constitució
San Marino Runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio
Kosovo Winners of 2017–18 Kosovar Cup

Qualifying rounds
In the qualifying rounds and the play-off round, teams are divided into seeded and unseeded teams based on their 2018 UEFA club coefficients,[14] and then drawn into two-legged home-and-away ties. Teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other.
First qualifying round
The draw for the first qualifying round will be held on 19 June 2018. The first legs will be played on 12 July, and the second legs will be played on 19 July 2018.

A total of 94 teams are expected to play in the first qualifying round: 86 teams which enter in this round, and the eight winners of the preliminary round.

Serbia Partizan CC: 17.000
Norway Molde CC: 12.500
Iceland FH CC: 5.500
Republic of Ireland Dundalk CC: 5.500
Lithuania Žalgiris Vilnius CC: 5.500
Croatia Osijek CC: 5.200
Republic of Macedonia Vardar CC: 5.000
Slovakia Slovan Bratislava CC: 5.000
Cyprus Anorthosis Famagusta CC: 4.310
Cyprus Runners-up of 2017–18 Cypriot First Division or AEK Larnaca CC: 4.310
Georgia (country) Dinamo Tbilisi CC: 4.250
Estonia Nõmme Kalju CC: 4.000
Scotland Aberdeen CC: 4.000
Sweden AIK CC: 4.000 or Djurgårdens IF CC: 3.995
Sweden Häcken CC: 3.995
Bulgaria Slavia Sofia CC: 3.825
Bulgaria CSKA Sofia CC: 3.825
Bulgaria Winners of 2017–18 First Professional Football League Europa League play-offs CC: 3.825
Latvia Ventspils CC: 3.750
Belarus Shakhtyor Soligorsk CC: 3.725
Belarus Dinamo Minsk CC: 8.000 or Dynamo Brest CC: 3.725
Kazakhstan Kairat CC: 3.625
Kazakhstan Irtysh Pavlodar CC: 3.625
Kazakhstan Tobol CC: 3.625
Norway Lillestrøm CC: 3.485
Norway Sarpsborg 08 CC: 3.485
Bosnia and Herzegovina Sarajevo CC: 3.250
Bosnia and Herzegovina Željezničar Sarajevo CC: 3.000
Liechtenstein Vaduz CC: 2.750
Estonia FCI Levadia CC: 2.750
Moldova Milsami Orhei CC: 2.750
Iceland Stjarnan CC: 2.750
Slovakia DAC Dunajská Streda CC: 2.425
Bosnia and Herzegovina Široki Brijeg CC: 2.250
Georgia (country) Chikhura Sachkhere CC: 2.000
Moldova Petrocub Hîncești CC: 2.000
Iceland ÍBV CC: 1.650
Latvia Liepāja CC: 1.500
Finland KuPS CC: 1.380
Finland Ilves CC: 1.380
Finland Lahti CC: 1.380
Republic of Ireland Shamrock Rovers CC: 1.340
Republic of Ireland Derry City CC: 1.340
Georgia (country) Samtredia CC: 1.250
Latvia Riga FC CC: 1.125
Estonia Narva Trans CC: 1.100
Lithuania Stumbras CC: 1.075
Armenia Gandzasar Kapan CC: 0.975
Armenia Banants CC: 0.975
Malta Balzan CC: 0.900
Northern Ireland Coleraine CC: 0.850
Northern Ireland Glenavon CC: 0.850
Romania Third-placed team of 2017–18 Liga I
Denmark Runners-up of 2017–18 Danish Superliga
Denmark Winners of 2017–18 Danish Superliga Europa League play-offs
Poland Runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Ekstraklasa
Poland Fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Ekstraklasa
Israel Runners-up of 2017–18 Israeli Premier League
Israel Third-placed team of 2017–18 Israeli Premier League
Scotland Runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Scottish Premiership
Azerbaijan Winners of 2017–18 Azerbaijan Cup
Azerbaijan Runners-up of 2017–18 Azerbaijan Premier League
Azerbaijan Third-placed team of 2017–18 Azerbaijan Premier League
Serbia Winners of 2017–18 Serbian Cup
Serbia Third-placed team of 2017–18 Serbian SuperLiga
Slovenia Winners of 2017–18 Slovenian Football Cup
Slovenia Runners-up of 2017–18 Slovenian PrvaLiga
Slovenia Third-placed team of 2017–18 Slovenian PrvaLiga
Slovakia Runners-up or third-placed team or fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Slovak First Football League
Hungary Winners of 2017–18 Magyar Kupa
Hungary Runners-up of 2017–18 Nemzeti Bajnokság I
Hungary Third-placed team of 2017–18 Nemzeti Bajnokság I
Moldova Winners of 2017–18 Moldovan Cup
Albania Winners of 2017–18 Albanian Cup
Albania Third-placed team of 2017–18 Albanian Superliga
Albania Fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Albanian Superliga
Republic of Macedonia Winners of 2017–18 Macedonian Football Cup
Republic of Macedonia Runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Macedonian First Football League
Montenegro Winners of 2017–18 Montenegrin Cup
Montenegro Runners-up of 2017–18 Montenegrin First League
Montenegro Third-placed team of 2017–18 Montenegrin First League
Armenia Winners of 2017–18 Armenian Cup or runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Armenian Premier League
Luxembourg Winners of 2017–18 Luxembourg Cup
Luxembourg Runners-up of 2017–18 Luxembourg National Division
Luxembourg Third-placed team of 2017–18 Luxembourg National Division
Northern Ireland Winners of 2017–18 NIFL Premiership Europa League play-offs

Second qualifying round
The second qualifying round is split into two separate sections: Champions Path (for league champions) and League Path (for cup winners and league non-champions).

The draw for the second qualifying round will be held on 19 June 2018 (after the completion of the first qualifying round draw). The first legs will be played on 26 July, and the second legs will be played on 2 August 2018.

A total of 94 teams are expected to play in the second qualifying round:

Champions Path

The 17 losers of the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League first qualifying round, and the three losers of the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League preliminary round.

League Path

27 teams which enter in this round, and the 47 winners of the first qualifying round.

Netherlands AZ CC: 25.000
Poland Legia Warsaw CC: 24.500
England Burnley CC: TBD (15.921)
Greece Asteras Tripoli CC: 9.000
Greece Atromitos CC: 5.720
Israel Hapoel Haifa CC: 4.350
Spain Seventh-placed team of 2017–18 La Liga
Germany Sixth-placed team of 2017–18 Bundesliga
Italy Seventh-placed team of 2017–18 Serie A
France Sixth-placed team of 2017–18 Ligue 1
Russia Fifth-placed team of 2017–18 Russian Premier League
Portugal Fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Primeira Liga
Ukraine Fifth-placed team of 2017–18 Ukrainian Premier League
Belgium Winners of 2017–18 Belgian First Division A Europa League play-offs
Turkey Fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Süper Lig
Czech Republic Fourth-placed team or fifth-placed team of 2017–18 Czech First League
Switzerland Fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Swiss Super League
Netherlands Winners of 2017–18 Eredivisie Europa League play-offs
Austria Third-placed team or fourth-placed team of 2017–18 Austrian Football Bundesliga
Austria Fifth-placed team of 2017–18 Austrian Football Bundesliga
Croatia Runners-up or third-placed team of 2017–18 Croatian First Football League
Romania Runners-up of 2017–18 Liga I
Denmark Winners of 2017–18 Danish Cup
Belarus Winners of 2017–18 Belarusian Cup
Sweden Winners of 2017–18 Svenska Cupen
Scotland Winners of 2017–18 Scottish Cup
Cyprus Winners of 2017–18 Cypriot Cup

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu May 10, 2018 1:35 pm

If Wikipedia is right about teams already qualified we could be drawn with Olympiakos or Strum Gratz if we beat our first opposition.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:00 pm

:it is all gonna end in tears.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:03 pm

The Enclosure wrote::it is all gonna end in tears.

You mean we could end losing to a bunch of unknown part time sheep farmers in our first match?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm on a cruise.

A f**king cruise, the only time we get to Europe in my lifetime and I'm at sea.

I know the feeling Lancaster, I was on a f**king cruise on the day of our 2009 play off final and it was a 'sea day'

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:34 pm

So roughly 50:50 whether or not we will know the second round opponents before the conclusion of the first round games. (Assuming there are no weird rules around seedings or anything.)

EDIT: Just saw In the qualifying rounds and the play-off round, teams are divided into seeded and unseeded teams based on their 2018 UEFA club coefficients,[14] and then drawn into two-legged home-and-away ties. Teams from the same association cannot be drawn against each other.

Looks like our co-efficient will be ~ 5, not sure whether that will put us in the unseeded section (where we'll probably be playing another team entering at the 2nd round) but I suspect we'll be seeded looking at some of the other co-efficients.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm on a cruise.

A f**king cruise, the FIRST time we get to Europe in my lifetime and I'm at sea.

Corrected that for you, you negative nelly.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:41 pm

The high likelihood is that we'll be a seeded team for the 2nd qualifying round meaning we will have to wait till the 19th July to see who we play from the 1st qualifying round.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:42 pm

aggi wrote:So roughly 50:50 whether or not we will know the second round opponents before the conclusion of the first round games. (Assuming there are no weird rules around seedings or anything.)

Just been looking at last year's draw and looks like all the teams which entered at the 2nd round stage played a qualifier from the 1st round. Don't know if that was by chance or design.

Correction - Just seen that 2 teams entering at the 2nd round stage did get drawn together but the chances of this happening is slim.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 10, 2018 2:42 pm

I thought there were some rules around seedings based on the countries coefficients etc

I've just been looking at some of the bigger leagues - french, spanish, Italian, Portugal and German - and there are some potential big teams joining the 2nd round with us...but not sure we can play them if there are seeding rules in place.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 10, 2018 3:16 pm

How does seeding work for the rounds? Are we one of the highest seeds because we're an English club? so we'll get drawn against the weaker non seeded teams in all of the rounds (including the final qualification game?). The playoff round is the final qualification game, correct? so there are 4 rounds of qualifying (8 games). Last years playoff round there was some very good teams in there, Milan, Everton, Zenit, Athletic Bilbao, Ajax, Fenerbahce are we likely to avoid similar sides due to seeding?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu May 10, 2018 3:38 pm

I think we're likely to be seeded for rounds 2 and 3, but if we make it to the playoff we might be struggling. So getting to the group stage is far from the formality some people seem to think it will be. Could end up playing Sevilla, for example.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 10, 2018 3:41 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I think we're likely to be seeded for rounds 2 and 3, but if we make it to the playoff we might be struggling. So getting to the group stage is far from the formality some people seem to think it will be. Could end up playing Sevilla, for example.

We will be unseeded for the playoffs? meaning we're likely to play a loser from the Champions League playoff round? is that how it works? Do the Champions League teams who fail to qualify even get dropped into Europa League qualifying?

442please · Post by **442please** » Thu May 10, 2018 3:55 pm

Seedings are determined by a club coefficient. It’s calculated through how well you’ve done in European competitions over the past 5 years (which for us is 0) OR 20% of your national coefficient, which ever is highest. 20% of England’s national coefficient currently is 15.921 (this could increase slightly more if Liverpool win CL). This number certainly guarantees us to be a seeded team in both 2nd and 3rd qualifying round, and very likely to be seeded in the play-off round aswell.
In this year’s play-off round, Partizan Belgrade were the seeded team with the lowest coefficient of 16.075 (very similar to our coefficient). However, there has been a change in ruling for the 2018/19 campaign which makes it almost a certainty we’ll be seeded in every qualifying round. Previously, coefficients were calculated through how well you’ve done in Europe over the past 5 years PLUS 20% of your national efficient, whereas they’ve changed it now for next season as it which ever is highest, meaning that most teams coefficients will be much lower, being beneficial to us.

I hope that makes sense haha.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu May 10, 2018 4:01 pm

We have a coefficient of 15.921 but that will increase if Liverpool win the Chanpions League. We have the England average or our own (zero) whichever is higher.

I started a spreadsheet today seeing as I was not working, to show who will be seeded above us, but most leagues finish this weekend with a lot to be decided, so I have decided to hold off until next week.

I currently expect us to be seeded in the Q2 and Q3 phases, but not to be seeded in Q4 (the play off round) where only 12 end up going through into the group stages (from the league path). That will thus be the big game if we make it, and Sod’s law, I am away in Portugal. I suspect I may be quoting Captain Oates to my family “I am just going outside, I may be some time”.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu May 10, 2018 4:35 pm

current seedings here with updates to come as the leagues finish.

https://www.footballseeding.com/europea ... ing-18-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;