Tommy Robinson

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:39 am

Hopefully one day people like Dazzler will understand and realise that not all Pakistani men are Muslim, and not all Muslims are Pakistani men.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:41 am

Whilst the gangs don't represent all Muslims, have you noticed how the Muslim community doesn't tend to report anything they know or have concerns about and when it all comes to light some of them will try to blame the victims and not the gangs?

Similar to white people who find out their partner is a child abuser but stand by them or refuse to accept it.

Both sides guilty of ignoring a problem when its right in front of their eyes.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:42 am

KRBFC wrote:Why were there reporting restrictions? sweeping it under the carpet, hiding identities yet white paedo's are quite rightly named and shamed before a trial has even begun.

not at all, the 29 defendants' names and addresses are all in the public domain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39580591" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:42 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Hopefully one day people like Dazzler will understand and realise that not all Pakistani men are Muslim, and not all Muslims are Pakistani men.

So does that mean having an issue with Islam doesn't make someone racist?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:51 am

So according to some tin foil hatted folks on here there is an establishment conspiracy to protect the identities of a gang of pedos because of their religion, and this is far more likely an option than a bloke with a history of being in contempt of court pleading guilty in court of being in contempt of court.

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:55 am

This thread really needs to be separated into two (or maybe three).

On the one hand there is the 'Is Tommy Robinson guilty of being in contempt of court, and should he have been sent down?' debate. Clearly the answer to both is yes.

On the other hand there is the 'Those who think he's guilty are tacitly supporting pedos' debate. Clearly this is rubbish. Nobody agrees with pedos.

Then there is the side issue of 'The mainstream news doesn't accurately report cases of Muslim men raping/being pedos and more should be said' arguers. This is a whole different kettle of fish and really should have its own thread so as not to conflate it with the above issues.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:14 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So does that mean having an issue with Islam doesn't make someone racist?

You tell me what you think and I hope you'll understand why I took umbrage at your previous generalisations

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:16 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So does that mean having an issue with Islam doesn't make someone racist?

That is right you can vent any criticism you want about Islam and you can also criticise any one that interprets passages from the Quran and acts upon them in a way that is at odds of modern society.

What you cannot do is discriminate against an individual follower of a religion just because he follows that religion or slur members of a religion just because of disgraceful acts of people who happen to follow a religion. However you can criticise a perceived community’s silence in covering up crimes and that silence only happened because they followed the same religion.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:19 am

Rick_Muller wrote:You tell me what you think and I hope you'll understand why I took umbrage at your previous generalisations

I think people struggle to differentiate between the two, but this is encouraged by Muslims who scream racism anytime some dares to mention an issue with Islam, so it's just become accepted that it's a race, when really it's just a religion.

It isn't helped by dim-witted Non-Muslims who also link Islam with race in their little minds.

Disliking Islam shouldn't be treated any different to disliking Christianity etc.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:19 am

At least we all now know exactly what Dazzler is.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:20 am

keith1879 wrote:This is a report of the original case in Canterbury where "Tommy Robinson" was convicted and given a suspended sentence. https://www.canterburyjournal.co.uk/how ... anterbury/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It appears to me to go massively beyond all concepts of freedom of speech. He was behaving in a completely unacceptable way outside of a courtroom and was lucky to get a suspended sentence. As has been said several times above - his behaviour could have led to the collapse of the case.

I have read the report and apologise for my inaccuracies. I wasn't aware of the full facts of his previous case and now I am I realise that I was wrong. I stand by everything I have said with regard to freedom of speech but in this particular case I was was ill informed and too quick to jump to conclusions, I'm sorry if I have offended anyone.

My passionate belief in freedom of speech and expression is such that I sometimes get a little too passionate but it is never my intention to upset or offend and in this instance I have been proved wrong. Thank you Keith for putting me right.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:20 am

Dy1geo wrote:That is right you can vent any criticism you want about Islam and you can also criticise any one that interprets passages from the Quran and acts upon them in a way that is at odds of modern society.

What you cannot do is discriminate against an individual follower of a religion just because he follows that religion or slur members of a religion just because of disgraceful acts of people who happen to follow a religion. However you can criticise a perceived community’s silence in covering up crimes and that silence only happened because they followed the same religion.

I tend to treat people as I find them, their religious beliefs aren't an issue for me as a general rule of thumb.
Unless their beliefs cause them to act in a stupid or harmful manner.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:20 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:At least we all now know exactly what Dazzler is.

Someone who doesn't like Islam?
Or someone who doesn't like child abusers?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:23 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Someone who doesn't like Islam?
Or someone who doesn't like child abusers?

He doesn't seem to have a problem with white child abusers.

He never starts threads when a gang of white paedophiles gets sentenced.

One can only assume from his silence on the matter that he thinks that sexual abuse of children by white men is acceptable.

He only posts when it's something to do with muslims. He's obsessed with them.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:24 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Someone who doesn't like Islam?
Or someone who doesn't like child abusers?

No - he's a taxi driver so by some peoples logic (not mine and neither yours as you have demonstrated above) he should be strung up like John Worboys, who for the record I dont think is Muslim or Pakistani.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:26 am

Yet more obfuscation

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:31 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:He doesn't seem to have a problem with white child abusers.

He never starts threads when a gang of white paedophiles gets sentenced.

One can only assume from his silence on the matter that he thinks that sexual abuse of children by white men is acceptable.

He only posts when it's something to do with muslims. He's obsessed with them.

That's a large assumption and probably quite slanderous.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:31 am

Rick_Muller wrote:No - he's a taxi driver so by some peoples logic (not mine and neither yours as you have demonstrated above) he should be strung up like John Worboys, who for the record I dont think is Muslim or Pakistani.

You've lost me now, who's the taxi driver?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:31 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:That's a large assumption and probably quite slanderous.

His posting history is there for all to see. Someone else linked to it last night.

Just click his name, have a look for yourself.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:34 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:His posting history is there for all to see. Someone else linked to it last night.

Just click his name, have a look for yourself.

You're making an assumption he's fine with white people abusing children.
That's definitely opening yourself up for libel.

Plus, if he has an issue with Islam what's wrong with that?
It isn't illegal, nor is it racist.

If he made specific claims against people from Pakistan or Afghanistan then that would be racist, I haven't checked his posting history though but Muslims come in all different colours and races, like most of the major religions.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:36 am

Those who spout off most about not making assumptions about people or generalising or demonising are the very ones who do it the most.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:37 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You've lost me now, who's the taxi driver?

Dazzler is a taxi driver, and so is John Worboys who is a convicted rapist. I am merely saying that some people use logic that says all Muslims are Pakistani men and all Pakistani men are paedophiles and therefore all Muslims are paedophiles. So by using their logic then Dazzler must be a convicted rapist too, but obviously I dont know if he is or not which is the point I want him to understand.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:37 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You're making an assumption he's fine with white people abusing children.

One can only assume from his silence on the matter that he thinks that sexual abuse of children by white men is acceptable.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:38 am

Monitoring others " posting history " ...who the hell do you think you are ?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:39 am

Islamophobia is exactly the same as anti-semitism by the way

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:41 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Dazzler is a taxi driver, and so is John Worboys who is a convicted rapist. I am merely saying that some people use logic that says all Muslims are Pakistani men and all Pakistani men are paedophiles and therefore all Muslims are paedophiles. So by using their logic then Dazzler must be a convicted rapist too, but obviously I dont know if he is or not which is the point I want him to understand.

Ah ok.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:42 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Islamophobia is exactly the same as anti-semitism by the way

How so?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:42 am

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You've reinforced my point..

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:45 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Islamophobia is exactly the same as anti-semitism by the way

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Con ... lamophobia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:45 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:How so?

Well, what is anti-semitism?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:48 am

Who is this God Is A Dee Jay account by the way?

A banned user?

Why set up in February, then not post for 3 months, then resurrect the account?

There seems to be a continuing problem which the mods need to sort out, where banned users set up fresh accounts to continue their agenda.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:49 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Well, what is anti-semitism?

A requirement to join the Labour Party?

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Con ... lamophobia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:50 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Who is this God Is A Dee Jay account by the way?

A banned user?

Why set up in February, then not post for 3 months, then resurrect the account?

There seems to be a continuing problem which the mods need to sort out, where banned users set up fresh accounts to continue their agenda.

In other words you're not happy with me providing a reasonable argument to your points and now you're stamping your feet.

Whah Whah Whah Mods ban the person who's arguing with me, whah whah whah

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:50 am

Who are you?

What is your usual username, which you've been banned under, and now you're using a sleeper username?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:52 am

Rumbled

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:52 am

My name is Martyn, what's yours?

No I'm not looking for a date before you ask.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed May 30, 2018 11:57 am

anti

preposition
1. opposed to; against.
"I'm anti the abuse of drink and the hassle that it causes"

adjective
1. opposed.
"the local councils are anti"

noun
1. a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.
"the threat to field sports from the antis is a serious one"

phobia

noun
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
"she suffered from a phobia about birds"

With these definitions antisemitic is the act of being against anything semitic (see below)

Semitic
adjective
1.relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

2.relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

Whereas Islamophobia is an irrational fear of anything Islam (see below)

Islam
noun
the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

So, in my opinion, they are not the same.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Who is this God Is A Dee Jay account by the way?

A banned user?

Why set up in February, then not post for 3 months, then resurrect the account?

There seems to be a continuing problem which the mods need to sort out, where banned users set up fresh accounts to continue their agenda.

The only continuing problem is you.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:21 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Islamophobia is exactly the same as anti-semitism by the way

You said yourself that you hate Islam

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So by your own standards you too are an islamaphobe

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Who is this God Is A Dee Jay account by the way?

A banned user?

Why set up in February, then not post for 3 months, then resurrect the account?

There seems to be a continuing problem which the mods need to sort out, where banned users set up fresh accounts to continue their agenda.

It's pretty obvious who he is.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:22 pm

For the politically minded. George Galloway is presenting on talk radio all this week. Was brilliant this morning on George Sorros's anti democratic intervention in attempting to thwart the Will of the People. A revealing interview with MEP Stephen Wolfe about Italy and the German bullying of the Italians, "the financial markets will show the Italians who to vote for". A potential UK 5 star movement. And yesterday a brilliant interview with a guy whose written a book about the murky cover up of the assassination of Robert Kennedy. All presented in Galloway inimitable style.

Did the shocking revelations about the Manchester Arena bombers, movements in and out of Libya, in full knowledge of UK security's knowledge and apparent approval. Also interviewed the author of the report on the North / South divide with regards male suicides and premature deaths. Great radio.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:34 pm

Damo wrote:You said yourself that you hate Islam
IMG_20180530_105247.jpg
So by your own standards you too are an islamaphobe

I think you've got confused petal.

You think I am Imploding Turtle.

You are wrong. As usual.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:08 pm

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/ ... -robinson/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An interesting read for those who care to....

MK-Claret · Post by **MK-Claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:11 pm

A pedophile hides behind religion, they hide behind their status in society , they hide behind their fame and fortune, they hide behind the children they abuse. A pedophile has no remorse, no feelings, no humanity. So therefore no place in society. They should not be allowed the same privilege of normal human beings. The hide because they are cowards and abuse the most vulnerable in society. Filthy and most disgusting specimens to walk the earth. They are not fit to be called human, they are not fit to share the same air as you and me. Jail them all and castrate them regardless of their backgrounds. Rant over.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:14 pm

MK-Claret wrote:A pedophile hides behind religion, they hide behind their status in society , they hide behind their fame and fortune, they hide behind the children they abuse. A pedophile has no remorse, no feelings, no humanity. So therefore no place in society. They should not be allowed the same privilege of normal human beings. The hide because they are cowards and abuse the most vulnerable in society. Filthy and most disgusting specimens to walk the earth. They are not fit to be called human, they are not fit to share the same air as you and me. Jail them all and castrate them regardless of their backgrounds. Rant over.

Too expensive an option. Quick lethal injection. Nearest convenient skip. Landfill site. Job done.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:14 pm

MK-Claret wrote:A pedophile hides behind religion, they hide behind their status in society , they hide behind their fame and fortune, they hide behind the children they abuse. A pedophile has no remorse, no feelings, no humanity. So therefore no place in society. They should not be allowed the same privilege of normal human beings. The hide because they are cowards and abuse the most vulnerable in society. Filthy and most disgusting specimens to walk the earth. They are not fit to be called human, they are not fit to share the same air as you and me. Jail them all and castrate them regardless of their backgrounds. Rant over.

That's a very nuanced viewpoint you have. Not really relevant to the thread, but glad you got it off your chest.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:20 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:"Idiots"..." morons " ....the usual childish name calling from the usual suspect ( s ). Defend and excuse the indefensible then resort to name calling. A sadly familiar and depressing routine.

Please give one example of someone on this thread defending the indefensible.

(watch how he doesn't provide one)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:23 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Disliking Islam shouldn't be treated any different to disliking Christianity etc.

No one in this thread, unless I've missed something, has treated it any different.

The problem is that some people think that hating Islam means hating Muslims, so when some of us defend Muslims these people think we're defending Islam. We're not, and I'm getting pretty sick of having to explain that to these morons.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:26 pm

MK-Claret wrote:A pedophile hides behind religion, they hide behind their status in society , they hide behind their fame and fortune, they hide behind the children they abuse. A pedophile has no remorse, no feelings, no humanity. So therefore no place in society. They should not be allowed the same privilege of normal human beings. The hide because they are cowards and abuse the most vulnerable in society. Filthy and most disgusting specimens to walk the earth. They are not fit to be called human, they are not fit to share the same air as you and me. Jail them all and castrate them regardless of their backgrounds. Rant over.

Sounds quite blood thirsty and barbaric. I'm glad I don't live in the dystopia you describe.

Do you think all paedophiles should be treated this way, or just the ones who offend?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Who are you?

What is your usual username, which you've been banned under, and now you're using a sleeper username?

Don't go full Ringo. Never go full Ringo.