England could win this world cup.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:15 pm

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Money where mouth lives..

Come on England!

barba · Post by **barba** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:38 pm

Half time and Tunisia are drawing 0-0 with Spain.

Spain majority of possession but three good chances for Tunisia.

Despite their precious abject WC performances they have dramatically improved over 12 months.

No way a guaranteed 3 points.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:44 pm

barba wrote:Half time and Tunisia are drawing 0-0 with Spain.

Spain majority of possession but three good chances for Tunisia.

Despite their precious abject WC performances they have dramatically improved over 12 months.

No way a guaranteed 3 points.

Or Spain are in poor form?

barba · Post by **barba** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:48 pm

Japebe43 wrote:Or Spain are in poor form?

I agree an on form Spain would blow them away.

Tunisia do look well organised and difficult to break down.

Will watch second half

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:39 pm

I’m watching France vs USA.

1-0 to the States at the minute and France were very much in form coming into this game.

Anything can happen in football, we’ve seen stranger things happen than this England squad winning the tournament.

Slim chance, but you can only back the lads and hope for some luck.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:47 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:I’m watching France vs USA.

1-0 to the States at the minute and France were very much in form coming into this game.

Anything can happen in football, we’ve seen stranger things happen than this England squad winning the tournament.

Slim chance, but you can only back the lads and hope for some luck.

You have clearly been on the Ribina tonight UTC, hope you arrive home safe

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:50 pm

South West Claret. wrote:You have clearly been on the Ribina tonight UTC, hope you arrive home safe

Just don’t see the point in being morbid about our chances.

Approach it like supporting the Clarets. Get behind them and hope for miracles.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:51 pm

Nothing morbid about it just being realistic.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:01 pm

Superb result for the USA. Ended 1-1, but they started the game with an 11 that had a combined total of 6 caps.

MOTM: Cameron Carter-Vickers (Tottenham), looks a real player, solid centre half.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:19 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Just don’t see the point in being morbid about our chances.

Approach it like supporting the Clarets. Get behind them and hope for miracles.

Don't take any notice of South West Claret, he's a Virgin with an arsehole the shape of an old wooden ruler.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:21 pm

dushanbe wrote:I don’t understand the negativity about England. I fancy us to get it the quarters and then it’s a lottery.

Why do you think that, when the history of England at the World Cup suggests we will get knocked out by the first decent team we come up against?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:24 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I looked at the possible route a while back and I still can't see us making it past the Quarter Finals.

Reaching the Quarter Finals would be a good World Cup for us though.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:28 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Why do you think that, when the history of England at the World Cup suggests we will get knocked out by the first decent team we come up against?

To be fair, Spain had that history for a long time, as did Portugal..

Claretlad · Post by **Claretlad** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:29 pm

Yes ...they could...

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:31 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Reaching the Quarter Finals would be a good World Cup for us though.

Easily achievable and our current odds of 16/1 are a licence to print money by laying them as soon as they are out the (easy) group they/we are in.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:40 pm

Diesel wrote:Easily achievable and our current odds of 16/1 are a licence to print money by laying them as soon as they are out the (easy) group they/we are in.

I'm not looking at it from an angle, I just think getting to the quarters would be a good tournament for us.

I'll be enjoying it anyway, even if this boards....... 'look at me and how much I don't care for England' lot won't be.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:48 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'm not looking at it from an angle, I just think getting to the quarters would be a good tournament for us.

I'll be enjoying it anyway, even if this boards....... 'look at me and how much I don't care for England' lot won't be.

Same Stan, ultimately we will be found wanting but I think these young lads will give it a go, that's all we can expect.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:56 am

The England team visited an orphanage in Russia yesterday.

"It's heartbreaking to see their little faces with no hope" said Vladimir age 5

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:18 am

If only enthusiasm and optimism alone could win the WC

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:13 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:The England team visited an orphanage in Russia yesterday.

"It's heartbreaking to see their little faces with no hope" said Vladimir age 5

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:13 pm

To win the world cup you need at least some world-class players

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:48 pm

boatshed bill wrote:To win the world cup you need at least some world-class players

sorry boatshed, but that doesn't mean anything, by virtue of playing on a world stage one could argue the players of at that stage, I know what you mean generally, but it is a loose term that is hard to define. Would Maradona's team mates count, they were ultimately world champions, but only he had the status as a world class player.
I know ronaldo, bale, messi and neymar and a host of others are regarded as "world class" but it is a team game, and as Burnley proved, it doesnt necessarily require great individual performances, just a genuine TEAM ethic to succeed.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:57 pm

Was Geoff Hurst world class prior to the 66 world cup? Most had him down as a reserve.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:01 pm

no he wasnt in anyones terms world class, but as a hat trick hero and world cup winner, what does that make him?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:03 pm

Geoff Hurst never was world class but Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and Gordan Banks were.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:04 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:no he wasnt in anyones terms world class, but as a hat trick hero and world cup winner, what does that make him?

And that could be the case of our 'class of 2018'. They have an opportunity to make themselves legends like Hurst. IMO we've as good a chance as at any time since 66. I never went in for all that golden generation ********.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Geoff Hurst never was world class but Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and Gordan Banks were.

Prior to 66?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:12 pm

Yes of course, they didn't just become great players in the World Cup finals. Compare them to Butland, Jones, Henderson etc, in their positions, there is no comparison whatsoever.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:13 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Yes of course, they didn't just become great players in the World Cup finals. Compare them to Butland, Jones, Henderson etc, in their positions, there is no comparison whatsoever.

I think you say that with hindsight. Doubt anyone felt they were world class before winning the world cup.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:19 pm

Were you watching England and International football before the 1966 World Cup? I was and I think I know what I am talking about.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:19 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:sorry boatshed, but that doesn't mean anything, by virtue of playing on a world stage one could argue the players of at that stage, I know what you mean generally, but it is a loose term that is hard to define. Would Maradona's team mates count, they were ultimately world champions, but only he had the status as a world class player.
I know ronaldo, bale, messi and neymar and a host of others are regarded as "world class" but it is a team game, and as Burnley proved, it doesnt necessarily require great individual performances, just a genuine TEAM ethic to succeed.

I know what you're saying. I guess it is a fairly loose term , regarding world class players I think we know one when we see one.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Wecoyote, you are right when you say Burnley used a team ethic to succeed, we succeeded in finishing a fantastic 7th. The team that finished 1st had world class players and a team ethic.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Were you watching England and International football before the 1966 World Cup? I was and I think I know what I am talking about.

England had one player prior to 66 everyone felt would be world class.. Duncan Edwards.. At the time of his death, nobody felt bobby Charlton was a world beater too..

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:35 pm

Japebe43 wrote:To be fair, Spain had that history for a long time, as did Portugal..

True, but I still don’t think that makes the knock-out stages a lottery.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:37 pm

Duncan Edwards died in 1958 as a very young man, that's 8 years before the World Cup and has no bearing on my earlier posts.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:sorry boatshed, but that doesn't mean anything, by virtue of playing on a world stage one could argue the players of at that stage, I know what you mean generally, but it is a loose term that is hard to define. Would Maradona's team mates count, they were ultimately world champions, but only he had the status as a world class player.
I know ronaldo, bale, messi and neymar and a host of others are regarded as "world class" but it is a team game, and as Burnley proved, it doesnt necessarily require great individual performances, just a genuine TEAM ethic to succeed.

Ordinary players can win the World Cup if they are fortunate enough to play in a team with someone as exceptional as Maradona. Sadly, England have never had such a player, and certainly don’t this time around.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Duncan Edwards died in 1958 as a very young man, that's 8 years before the World Cup and has no bearing on my earlier posts.

The point I'm making is the world cup established these players reputations on the world stage, and our lads of 2018 have that same opportunity.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:44 pm

Japebe43 wrote:The point I'm making is the world cup established these players reputations on the world stage, and our lads of 2018 have that same opportunity.

That is certainly true. Whether they can grasp that opportunity, well...who knows?
I doubt it though.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:45 pm

Fair enough jape, you have your opinion I have mine (based on being there at the time). I hope you are right about this current set of players proving themselves, I don't hold out much hope for them or you.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:47 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Fair enough jape, you have your opinion I have mine (based on being there at the time). I hope you are right about this current set of players proving themselves, I don't hold out much hope for them or you.

Not saying they will.. Not at all.. But the opportunity is there for them.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:50 pm

The opportunity is there for every player in every squad from every country to do so. Let me know after the World Cup who you think has succeeded.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:53 pm

Vino blanco wrote:The opportunity is there for every player in every squad from every country to do so. Let me know after the World Cup who you think has succeeded.

Unless you are blanking the tournament, why would you need me to?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:55 pm

KRBFC wrote:France are a spent force? they have a scary young side, quality allover the place they even left Lacazette and Martial at home. The current England side is the worst group of players I've ever seen play for England.

Apart from Kyle Walker and Kane I don't think there's a single English player who would start for France.

true, because they're english.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:57 pm

Think some of our players get underated unbelievably.. Sterling for example is played, successfully, for his club by the manager acknowledged as the best in world football.. But he's not good enough for england.. Apparently..

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:59 pm

Any odds being touted as to when we exit yet

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:00 pm

Japebe43 wrote:Think some of our players get underated unbelievably.. Sterling for example is played, successfully, for his club by the manager acknowledged as the best in world football.. But he's not good enough for england.. Apparently..

Interesting that you bring up Sterling.
Good enough for England, but in my opinion not as good as Sane who isn't good enough for Germany.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:02 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Interesting that you bring up Sterling.
Good enough for England, but in my opinion not as good as Sane who isn't good enough for Germany.

Who scored most goals for city this season? Sane.. Or sterling?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:08 pm

Japebe43 wrote:Who scored most goals for city this season? Sane.. Or sterling?

Not really the point though, is it?
If scoring goals was the criteria by which "world-class" was judged there would be no world-class defenders!

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:10 pm

Even our cricket team’s pretty useless now as well https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44431264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Loosing to Scotland I ask ya

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Not really the point though, is it?
If scoring goals was the criteria by which "world-class" was judged there would be no world-class defenders!

OK, who does guardiola favour more? Sterling starts more regularly..