Europa league - Seeded?

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:28 am

Burnley FC wrote:Burnley are likely to be seeded, given England’s co-efficient for European competition, although seedings are not confirmed until the day of the draw.

Please can someone explain what exactly it means to b seeded? I know that a seeded team cannot be drawn against another seeded team, but I don't quite fully understand what the term means.

I overheard a conversation saying a seeded team will play at home, is this correct?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:32 am

It's a way of 'fixing' a competition so the best/ highest profile competitors don't play each other too early which may result in viewers losing interest.

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:36 am

An open draw would be far more fun

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:36 am

It means seeded teams play non-seeded teams when the draw is made.

No, it doesn't mean they will play at home, they will still play two legs, one at home and one away, but which comes first is incorporated as part of the draw.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:50 am

ClaretTony wrote:It means seeded teams play non-seeded teams when the draw is made.

No, it doesn't mean they will play at home, they will still play two legs, one at home and one away, but which comes first is incorporated as part of the draw.

Does being seeded playing a non-seeded team mean that the seeded team will be away in the 1st leg and home in the 2nd?

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:00 am

I took Tony's post to mean it doesn't. Who plays home first is part of the draw.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:05 am

Leisure wrote:Does being seeded playing a non-seeded team mean that the seeded team will be away in the 1st leg and home in the 2nd?

No - it's drawn

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:07 am

Suppose you already have an advantage being seeded without the added advantage of getting to play home in the second match, although it is like that for football league playoffs etc.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:10 am

edison wrote:Suppose you already have an advantage being seeded without the added advantage of getting to play home in the second match, although it is like that for football league playoffs etc.

But that advantage has been earned through league position.

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:15 am

True. Much like away goals rules, there is no consistency

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:21 am

ClaretTony wrote:No - it's drawn

Ok, that's good. As then we maybe at home in the 1st leg which would gives us an extra week to sort out travel for the away leg! UTC

haptonclaret · Post by **haptonclaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:33 am

What time does the draw take place?

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:37 am

It is tomorrow, yes?

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:42 am

ooh, I got a bit excited there

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:27 pm

Cork City have drawn Legia Warsaw in the CL.
A defeat would see them drop into the EL.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:42 pm

We can't play Cork City. They're in the other half of the draw.

The possible opponents are on this site.

https://www.footballseeding.com/europea ... ing-18-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are in the "League" path. The "champions" path is a completely separate draw until the group stages.

In Round 2, we play any of the teams listed on the "unseeded" side, or their first round conquerors. All the teams in bold are exempt to round 2, all the teams not in bold have to play in round 1.

In Round 3, we play any of the teams listed on the "unseeded" side, or their second round conquerors. [Or just possibly, if that team was knocked out in Round 1, we play the team that won the Round 2 game that our drawn opponents would have played.] Same as before with teams in bold.

In Round 4, we're not seeded at present because there are 13 seeds and we are 19th. But if 6 of the teams seeded above us are knocked out in round 2, then we become seeded. Note that it makes no difference to our seeding if higher ranked teams get knocked out in round 3, because the round 4 draw will have already been made.

The real confusion is because the draws are made early. So Seville, for example, are the highest ranked team and will be seeded in every round. But if Seville are beaten by (say) Coleraine in round 2, then Coleraine take over their seeding and opponents for round three; nobody moves up any places. But in round 4, Coleraine will be bottom of the heap, and everyone else moves up one. If Seville lose to (say) Aberdeen in Round 3, then Aberdeen take over their seeding and opponents for round 4.

(Round 4 is what UEFA call the play-off round.)

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:13 pm

Glad it is all so straightforward

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:20 pm

I read on that detailed site that we would likely be seeded in the 2nd and 3rd qualifying round, but not the 4th

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:22 pm

dsr wrote:We can't play Cork City. They're in the other half of the draw.

The possible opponents are on this site.

https://www.footballseeding.com/europea ... ing-18-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are in the "League" path. The "champions" path is a completely separate draw until the group stages.

In Round 2, we play any of the teams listed on the "unseeded" side, or their first round conquerors. All the teams in bold are exempt to round 2, all the teams not in bold have to play in round 1.

In Round 3, we play any of the teams listed on the "unseeded" side, or their second round conquerors. [Or just possibly, if that team was knocked out in Round 1, we play the team that won the Round 2 game that our drawn opponents would have played.] Same as before with teams in bold.

In Round 4, we're not seeded at present because there are 13 seeds and we are 19th. But if 6 of the teams seeded above us are knocked out in round 2, then we become seeded. Note that it makes no difference to our seeding if higher ranked teams get knocked out in round 3, because the round 4 draw will have already been made.

The real confusion is because the draws are made early. So Seville, for example, are the highest ranked team and will be seeded in every round. But if Seville are beaten by (say) Coleraine in round 2, then Coleraine take over their seeding and opponents for round three; nobody moves up any places. But in round 4, Coleraine will be bottom of the heap, and everyone else moves up one. If Seville lose to (say) Aberdeen in Round 3, then Aberdeen take over their seeding and opponents for round 4.

(Round 4 is what UEFA call the play-off round.)

And people think the brexit negotiations are tough to follow

i'll just take it one game at time as Sean would say.

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Agree, you could spend hours trying to work it all out. We'll know when we know

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:40 pm

Will the club or UEFA set the ticket prices?

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:06 pm

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/se ... d=2000986/
Explaination of the draw mechanics for tomorrow. 1 draw of 10 balls (5 seeds+5 non-seeds) in separate pots with 1 ball being drawn from each and placed in a 3rd pot where a further draw which will determine who is the home team in the 1st leg. This draw will be the one which decides all 5 ten team groups. There will be another draw using 12 balls for the final 2 groups.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:28 pm

Whatever will be will be. Just over 14 hours till the draw.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:31 pm

Do we know how quickly following the draw we are likely to be selling tickets?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:43 pm

bfcmik wrote:http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/se ... d=2000986/
Explaination of the draw mechanics for tomorrow. 1 draw of 10 balls (5 seeds+5 non-seeds) in separate pots with 1 ball being drawn from each and placed in a 3rd pot where a further draw which will determine who is the home team in the 1st leg. This draw will be the one which decides all 5 ten team groups. There will be another draw using 12 balls for the final 2 groups.

So nothing a top infant can't follow then?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:52 pm

jedi_master wrote:Do we know how quickly following the draw we are likely to be selling tickets?

Chances are we won't know the opponent when the draw is made, it will be one of two teams and that won't be resolved until a week before the match.

We may start selling home tickets before then but I can't see any way we will be able to sell away tickets.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:16 am

edison wrote:I read on that detailed site that we would likely be seeded in the 2nd and 3rd qualifying round, but not the 4th

I believe half the sides in the 4th round are seeded and the other half aren't so they're split in two pots. It would depend which teams are left in, so really we need a few of the potentially higher seeds than us (if they made round 4) to lose and bump us up to seeded.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:45 am

KRBFC wrote:I believe half the sides in the 4th round are seeded and the other half aren't so they're split in two pots. It would depend which teams are left in, so really we need a few of the potentially higher seeds than us (if they made round 4) to lose and bump us up to seeded.

To be seeded in the 4th Qualifying round we would need 6 higher seeds to get knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round because the draw takes place before the 3rd round is played. Unlikely

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:47 am

bfcmik wrote:because the draw takes place before the 3rd round is played.

That's actually a very good point which makes it likely we'll be unseeded, How did you calculate we'll need 6 high seeded teams to lose in round 1 or 2?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:56 am

Think it’s because we are around 18th or 19th seeded team and only 12 are seeded at play off round

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:59 am

TVC15 wrote:Think it’s because we are around 18th or 19th seeded team and only 12 are seeded at play off round

Yeah makes sense, I thought more than 12 got through from the qualifiers but I just read further up the topic that there's a separate draw of some sort for teams who fail to qualify for the Champions League. All seems a little confusing, I could get used to it though

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:18 am

Piece of cake this draw lark. Don't know what all the fuss is about !!!

Blimey, what a complex system.

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/ne ... 62641.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:26 am

This calendar makes it as clear as mud.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/n ... 99865.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:50 am

The draw's at 2pm in case anybody was going to tune in at noon.
They take care of a few other things before they get to ours.
Can't bloody wait.

edison · Post by **edison** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:30 am

The stage is set

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 am

7 days between the first round 2nd leg and our 1st leg is far too short notice.

NorthIsCool · Post by **NorthIsCool** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:39 am

MiltonKeynesClaret93 wrote:The draw's at 2pm in case anybody was going to tune in at noon.
They take care of a few other things before they get to ours.
Can't bloody wait.

That's 2pm CET so it's 1pm here.

edison · Post by **edison** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:43 am

Murger wrote:7 days between the first round 2nd leg and our 1st leg is far too short notice.

I'd say not for the club as they'll have lined up both possibilities. A pain in the arse for fans though

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:48 am

NorthIsCool wrote:That's 2pm CET so it's 1pm here.

Ah yep, I'd not accounted for them having Summer time hours as well.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:46 am

Hope we get FC Viitorul, means a free week in Romania with all flights and hotel paid for by work.

edison · Post by **edison** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:47 am

claretburns wrote:Hope we get FC Viitorul, means a free week in Romania with all flights and hotel paid for by work.

That is very generous of you. Thanks from all of us

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:54 am

Murger wrote:7 days between the first round 2nd leg and our 1st leg is far too short notice.

The club will know if we are home or away on the 29th as soon as today's draw is done. They will also know which 2 (or 3 if the lower seeded clubs are playing in the prelim round) so they can make tentative travel plans for the away trip. It is us supporters who will need to scramble if we wish to go to the away leg.

craigbfc92 · Post by **craigbfc92** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Leisure wrote:Ok, that's good. As then we maybe at home in the 1st leg which would gives us an extra week to sort out travel for the away leg! UTC

Hi Pete, have you any idea when the travel details for Aberdeen will be released?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:38 am

craigbfc92 wrote:Hi Pete, have you any idea when the travel details for Aberdeen will be released?

As soon as I find out what the ticketing arrangements are.