Chris Froome cleared.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:14 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:01 pm

Great news for Froome and SKY. I am sure the bitter French will be trying their hardest to stop him from winning the Tour again......

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:06 pm

Rammy1968 wrote:Great news for Froome and SKY. I am sure the bitter French will be trying their hardest to stop him from winning the Tour again......

Sky and Bradley Wiggins.....I doubt anyone believes them to be totally innocent of cheating where he's concerned!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:14 pm

Still a drug cheater, relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career, now he's been caught doping his career is tarnished regardless of what he wins or has won.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:Still a drug cheater, relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career, now he's been caught doping his career is tarnished regardless of what he wins or has won.

Really?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:20 pm

What utter rubbish - read the link.

He took Salbutamol for his asthma... I’ve been taking it for 12 years ( daily)
I wouldn’t be able to breathe without it... I would collapse, no doubt about that.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:20 pm

Leisure wrote:Really?

In my opinion when you get caught cheating once, your career and reputation is tarnished.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:In my opinion when you get caught cheating once, your career and reputation is tarnished.

Like Iniesta then?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:In my opinion when you get caught cheating once, your career and reputation is tarnished.

But you stated that he'd relied on performance enhancing drugs all his career. Evidence please.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:Still a drug cheater, relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career, now he's been caught doping his career is tarnished regardless of what he wins or has won.

Eve though the World anti doping agency has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped?
An you able to provide evidence that Froome has 'relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career'?

Im guessing not.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:26 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Like Iniesta then?

Has he ever failed a drugs test?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:27 pm

Leisure wrote:But you stated that he'd relied on performance enhancing drugs all his career. Evidence please.

A sneaking suspicion I have that's all, nothing factual.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:28 pm

KRBFC - Evidence please.

PS - Hope CF is reading this thread!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:30 pm

KRBFC wrote:Has he ever failed a drugs test?

Has Chris Froome?

No is the answer.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:31 pm

You doubt Froome.

I doubt Barcelona and Real Madrid and Spain.

There is no proof either way but we both have doubts.

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:33 pm

If CF is reading this I hope KRBFC has a good lawyer!

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:35 pm

KRBFC - that's wild and ill informed attention seeking. Try looking at drugs testing in Spanish football if you want to get wild about something.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Leisure wrote:KRBFC - Evidence please.

PS - Hope CF is reading this thread!

I don't need evidence because I'm giving an opinion and not claiming it to be factual.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't need evidence because I'm giving an opinion and not claiming it to be factual.

In other words what you said is boll****!

PS - Post 4 looks very much like a statement of fact not an opinion.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:40 pm

cblantfanclub wrote:KRBFC - that's wild and ill informed attention seeking. Try looking at drugs testing in Spanish football if you want to get wild about something.

Look at the shady history of Team Sky, factual evidence they've cheated in the past, CF constantly ill yet riding so well, he failed a urine test with 2x the amount of salbutamol in his system, a banned substance. In my opinion his reputation has been tarnished.

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:Still a drug cheater, relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career, now he's been caught doping his career is tarnished regardless of what he wins or has won.

KRBFC, you don't think this is libellous?!

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:Look at the shady history of Team Sky, factual evidence they've cheated in the past, CF constantly ill yet riding so well, he failed a urine test with 2x the amount of salbutamol in his system, a banned substance. In my opinion his reputation has been tarnished.

It wasnt double the amount it was 19% over the acceptable limit.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:44 pm

Braindead wrote:It wasnt double the amount it was 19% over the acceptable limit.

What's the difference? Salbutamol is a banned substance, correct?

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:What's the difference? Salbutamol is a banned substance, correct?

Incorrect

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:What's the difference? Salbutamol is a banned substance, correct?

81%

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:48 pm

Paranoid wrote:Incorrect

An interesting read....

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other- ... 14204.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:49 pm

Leisure wrote:81%

but he was over the limit, who cares if it was by 1% or 50%.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:In my opinion when you get caught cheating once, your career and reputation is tarnished.

Fair enough then Maria Sharapova and Justin Gatlin shouldn't be allowed to compete but they are,to the average Joe or Jane in the street,most suspect the Tour de France and other cycling endurance events are littered with drugs,the prime example being Lance Armstrong.

I agree with you KRBFC one strike and you're out,but the problem is proving that these athletes are taking performance enhancing substances,in this case the benefit of the doubt has gone Chris Froome's way. It would be typical of sport if he won the event after all the prior controversy.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 pm

KRBFC wrote:What's the difference? Salbutamol is a banned substance, correct?

If you’d just read the linked article you wouldn’t be coming across so stupid.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 pm

tiger76 wrote:Fair enough then Maria Sharapova and Justin Gatlin shouldn't be allowed to compete but they are,to the average Joe or Jane in the street,most suspect the Tour de France and other cycling endurance events are littered with drugs,the prime example being Lance Armstrong.

I agree with you KRBFC one strike and you're out,but the problem is proving that these athletes are taking performance enhancing substances,in this case the benefit of the doubt has gone Chris Froome's way. It would be typical of sport if he won the event after all the prior controversy.

I think all sports are littered with drugs and swept under the rug, it's a joke really especially on the clean athletes.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:54 pm

Could we send Mr Froome a link to this thread,say to his tw!tter page. He could perhaps put his side of things

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:55 pm

martin_p wrote:If you’d just read the linked article you wouldn’t be coming across so stupid.

I read articles that said it was a banned substance

https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2017 ... ug-banned/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:58 pm

There are at least two World Cup wins that I personally don't accept as legitimate.

West Germany 1954
Spain 2010

Just my opinion.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:01 pm

I should have a new tag line saying ''this is my opinion'' to stop people jumping on the libel bandwagon when I give an opinion.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:I read articles that said it was a banned substance

https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2017 ... ug-banned/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You haven’t read much more than the headline then. The article explains it’s permitted for asthma sufferers.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:03 pm

cycling is one of those sports that would be better off if they just let them all take whatever they want and be honest about it, its that rife.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:06 pm

Xavi regularly took growth hormones.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:08 pm

KRBFC wrote:I should have a new tag line saying ''this is my opinion'' to stop people jumping on the libel bandwagon when I give an opinion.

You get hot up when I express my opinion about the cheating footballers in Spain.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Xavi regularly took growth hormones.

But is that illegal in football? I haven't seen much mention of it, probably another case swept under the rug.

(THIS IS MY OPINION)

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:but he was over the limit, who cares if it was by 1% or 50%.

Quotes from the article:
Froome was only 19% over the limit - not double as has been previously reported - when the adverse test was adjusted to take account of dehydration.

20 other tests conducted on Froome during his victory at last year's Vuelta a Espana did not need any "further explanation".

The same individual can exhibit significant variations in test results taken over multiple days while using exactly the same amount of salbutamol.

This means that the level of salbutamol in a single urine sample, alone, is not a reliable indicator of the amount inhaled.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:14 pm

Nobody tell him Guardiola was banned for drugs.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Salbutamol isn't banned and this was one adverse result in 20 over the course of the race. There are many factors that can cause this and without consistent over dosing no advantage can be gained.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:16 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Nobody tell him Guardiola was banned for drugs.

Why do I care? Whoever fails a drug test in sports I deem a disgrace, you're saying it like I'm making exceptions, quite frankly I don't care how good/bad Pep was as a player, he's the greatest manager I've seen, a different career.

NCClaret · Post by **NCClaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:Still a drug cheater, relied on performance enhancing drugs his entire career, now he's been caught doping his career is tarnished regardless of what he wins or has won.

Flower it up however you want but you are pretty unambiguous in saying he is a cheat - you are quite wrong to make such a statement - sounds libelous to me - disgraceful. The man has been 'tried' and found not guilty - what makes you the arbiter of justice? The feeling of safety behind your keyboard may just bite you one day!!

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:25 pm

Wada describes lack of drug testing in Spanish football as ‘alarming’with no testing across country’s various levels, including La Liga, since March 2016.

Instead of getting all antsy about Froome get your teeth into some real drugs cheating. Ronaldo body shape no drugs? Just saying no proof but no testing.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:29 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:What utter rubbish - read the link.

He took Salbutamol for his asthma... I’ve been taking it for 12 years ( daily)
I wouldn’t be able to breathe without it... I would collapse, no doubt about that.

But does he have Asthma ? and does Salbutamol enhance his performance

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:38 pm

FCBurnley wrote:But does he have Asthma ? and does Salbutamol enhance his performance

Yea and no.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:47 pm

WADA have thrown the case out so haven't found the evidence to convict him of drug cheating so by that account he is innocent. Froome will be one of the most if not the most tested sports men/women on the planet. If he was a cheat we would have the evidence by now.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:59 pm

Leisure wrote:Yea and no.

Then why was he accused in the first place. Dont know much about Asthma but I am amazed that a sufferer could win Tour De France. Thats impressive

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:But is that illegal in football? I haven't seen much mention of it, probably another case swept under the rug.

(THIS IS MY OPINION)

The Chris Froome case is not about illegal drugs, in fact you don't even need a theraputic use exemption for it.

Taking into account dehydration he was 18% over the threshold, but WADA are satisfied that you can take the same amount of medication several days running and have fluctuating levels in the blood, in order for Chris Froome to have been taking more than the allowed dose the levels in his blood would have had to be elevated on more than one day.

Essentially it allows Chris Frome to control his asthma which he has had since childhood anyone thing his medication is a performance enhancing drug is misinformed.

Edit.

To put this into context WADA are far more concerned about non compliance to Drug testing in Spain than they are about someone taking legal medication.

Spain = Rogue drug testing nation probably second only to Russia.

Just my opinion like.