Trump destroys Mays soft Brexit..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Hi IT, my google search was "cameron obama brexit."

BBC reported 2-Jul-2018: Obama adviser on how Cameron asked for Brexit warning

Former White House adviser Ben Rhodes has told BBC Radio 5 live that David Cameron asked President Obama to say that Brexit would mean Britain being “at the back of the queue.”

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live’s Anna Foster, Ben Rhodes explained the story of how the warning came about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4468853 ... it-warning" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pretty full report also available on Sky News site: Cameron 'personally requested Obama's back of the queue Brexit warning'

https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-pers ... g-11423669" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally, I wouldn't say that Obama was "lying" - just making a "politically motivated statement" - no different from any other politician.

The issue is that Obama's statement was made during a referendum period - thus seeking to influence the votes of the electorate in another democracy. I think we should all "frown on" that sort of actions.

I have a problem with Cameron asking for it, but not with Obama for saying it. Vote Leave had been making all kinds of claims about America. I have absolutely no problem with America coming out and saying their claims are bullshit. And it'll kind of embarrassing that so many people are OK with Vote Leave making **** up without knowing America's actual position, yet getting all upset when America corrects them.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:15 pm

so even the guy who made it public doesn't say obama lied.

wtf are you lot arguing about?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He was the president of America. He was speaking on behalf of the American federal government. Of course he had a right to say it. He was elected, twice, by people that gave him the right to speak on behalf of their government.

But he wouldn't be President when we Brexit, so had no influence over American Trade policy, but you know this, and are just arguing for arguments sake.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:The articles show Cameron asked him.

He obliged.

Today's statement by Trump and May show it was a lie.

So you mean the statement made by Trump after you posted all the articles showing Obama lied.
In your own words......

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm

claretandy wrote:But he wouldn't be President when we Brexit, so had no influence over American Trade policy, but you know this, and are just arguing for arguments sake.

So you're saying that every time Obama said anything about a time in the future when he wasn't president of the US it was a lie?
Jesus Christ.

He even said that it was only what he "thinks" the United States is going to do.

“They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do."

So not only was he not lying, he explicitly states that he is expressing an opinion.

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Leave voters already brought Obama into the debate when the claimed that setting up these awesome trade deals would be easy if we leave. Why should Leave voters be allowed to make claims that only foreign leaders could refute, yet claim "interference" when one of them refutes their claim?

It's incredible to me that your problem isn't with the Leave campaigners who told you these incorrect things, but you have a problem with them being corrected. It's ridiculous.

What are you even on about?

Obama only got involved in Brexit because of leave voters. What?

You didn't even got close to addressing the point I was making, Obama was trying to influence a democratic vote, Trump isn't doing that.

Stop spiralling off into your own nonsense. It's why these threads always pinball all over the place, from one crappy Turtle opinion to another.

I think the problem Turtle, is that you're not very smart. You also think you're a genius. That's three problems by your count.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:30 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:
You didn't even got close to addressing the point I was making, Obama was trying to influence a democratic vote, Trump isn't doing that.

He usually gets the Russians to do that for him.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:37 pm

martin_p wrote:So you mean the statement made by Trump after you posted all the articles showing Obama lied.
In your own words......

You really really really really don't learn from past mistakes do you Marty!!!!!!!!!????

In my OPINION and it's just that. When Obama claimed we'd go to the "back of the queue" if we voted to Leave. Was a lie.

You clearly believe it wasn't. Now let's clear a little something up. And we both no exactly where this familiar path is going dont we Marty!

Are you saying that when you claim it wasn't a lie, it's a FACT? Or, Is it just your OPINION? And how does today's statements by Trump and May clearly prove we're not at the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals?

You should've listened to quickenthetempo when he tried to explain -

"Asking someone to say something in public that isn't true to influence people is a lie in my world.

It might not be in yours fair enough."

Silly silly cloth eared Marty!!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:37 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:What are you even on about?

Obama only got involved in Brexit because of leave voters. What?

You didn't even got close to addressing the point I was making, Obama was trying to influence a democratic vote, Trump isn't doing that.

Stop spiralling off into your own nonsense. It's why these threads always pinball all over the place, from one crappy Turtle opinion to another.

I think the problem Turtle, is that you're not very smart. You also think you're a genius. That's three problems by your count.

You've fundamentally misunderstood the debate, and then called me not very smart. lol
The debate was "Did Obama lie?" He didn't. He expressed an opinion. He explicitly said he was expressing an opinion. It doesn't matter what you think of someone's opinion, an opinion cannot be a lie. But hey, i'm not very smart so maybe i've misunderstood what an 'opinion' is. Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how an opinion can be a lie.

Yes, Obama had a right to get involved because Leave campaigners involved the country he was the leader of. They made claims about America and he had every right to dispute those claims. Why do you have a problem with dishonest claims, or claims not supported by fact, being contested?

You're right, i'm not very smart. But i'm right a whole lot more often than you and the people you support. I value facts where you appear to hold them in no regard. So what does that say about how smart you are?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:39 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You really really really really don't learn from past mistakes do you Marty!!!!!!!!!????

In my OPINION and it's just that. When Obama claimed we'd go to the "back of the queue" if we voted to Leave. Was a lie.

You clearly believe it wasn't. Now let's clear a little something up. And we both no exactly where this familiar path is going dont we Marty!

Are you saying that when you claim it wasn't a lie, it's a FACT? Or, Is it just your OPINION? And how does today's statements by Trump and May clearly prove we're not at the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals?

You should've listened to quickenthetempo

Obama said it was his opinion. Explain to me how an opinion can be a lie.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you're saying that every time Obama said anything about a time in the future when he wasn't president of the US it was a lie?
Jesus Christ.

He even said that it was only what he "thinks" the United States is going to do.

“They are voicing an opinion about what the United States is going to do, I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United States is going to do."

So not only was he not lying, he explicitly states that he is expressing an opinion.

I didn't say he lied.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I have a problem with Cameron asking for it, but not with Obama for saying it. Vote Leave had been making all kinds of claims about America. I have absolutely no problem with America coming out and saying their claims are bullshit. And it'll kind of embarrassing that so many people are OK with Vote Leave making **** up without knowing America's actual position, yet getting all upset when America corrects them.

Fair enough. I differ: Cameron should not have asked Obama to interfere in the referendum campaign - and Obama should not have commented.

Both sides in the referendum campaign made "all sorts of claims" about all sorts of things, It's politics, nothing more - and often very much less.

The principle should be politicians in 3rd countries should not get involved with the democratic process involving another country.

And, I'm ok with whatever politicians in UK say during an election campaign, so long as I'm free to "take it with a pinch of salt" and look for my own evidence of who I might choose to favour.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Obama said it was his opinion. Explain to me how an opinion can be a lie.

You heard of holocaust denial.?

You f****** idiot.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Wow, you've gone off on one about something I wasn't even discussing.

My only point was challenging your Vice Versa statement. I haven't got into the merits of who said what and who should be ignored and who shouldn't. I just pointed out it was you lot who moaned about Obama getting involved and then you lot who were ecstatic about Trump getting involved.

This is just hypocrisy where the remoaners were consistent in that they didn't cry about Obama getting involved and they didn't cry about Trump getting involved.

Okidokey

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:44 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Fair enough. I differ: Cameron should not have asked Obama to interfere in the referendum campaign - and Obama should not have commented.

Both sides in the referendum campaign made "all sorts of claims" about all sorts of things, It's politics, nothing more - and often very much less.

The principle should be politicians in 3rd countries should not get involved with the democratic process involving another country.

And, I'm ok with whatever politicians in UK say during an election campaign, so long as I'm free to "take it with a pinch of salt" and look for my own evidence of who I might choose to favour.

I would agree with you that Obama shouldn't have commented if the Leave campaign hadn't started talking about how easy it would be to leave the EU and hash out a trade agreement with the US. But they brought America into the campaign when they did that and the American president has every right to correct them.

Why do you think differently? Why do you think that Vote Leave should be allowed to make claims about other countries but those other countries shouldn't respond to their claims if they think they're wrong? I'm not asking rhetorically. I want you to explain this to me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:45 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You heard of holocaust denial.?

You f****** idiot.

You mean when people express their opinion that the holocaust was a hoax? They're not lying, they're just wrong. Those aren't the same thing.

Try again.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:48 pm

This reminds me of the final meal on an episode of Come Dine With Me.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:49 pm

martin p

He usually gets the Russians to do that for him.

Could you provide any facts to back up your opinion.

Thanks

Maybe of interest:

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LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You've fundamentally misunderstood the debate, and then called me not very smart. lol
The debate was "Did Obama lie?"

The thread title doesn't say 'Did Obama lie?' it says 'Trump destroys Mays soft Brexit..'

You have trouble with reading as well as counting?

Show me in this thread where I said anything about Obama lying.

You quoted my point (which you still haven't come close to addressing btw) about Obama meddling during the referendum but now there's no referendum for Trump to meddle in.

Now you're lecturing me about things other people have said and telling me what my opinions are based on nothing.

It's just bizarre gibberish.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:56 pm

DustyBawls wrote:This reminds me of the final meal on an episode of Come Dine With Me.

Melania would deffo get it

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The quote is Longsidefacingup

Its his quote and my reply is to him.

Tempo was right, no idea that was for me.

Not saying Trump doesn't have influence, course he does.

I was just pointing out that Obama was attempting to influence the public vote on Brexit. Trump is not influencing a public vote, he can't by definition.

Just think it's a significant difference that should be noted.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I would agree with you that Obama shouldn't have commented if the Leave campaign hadn't started talking about how easy it would be to leave the EU and hash out a trade agreement with the US. But they brought America into the campaign when they did that and the American president has every right to correct them.

Why do you think differently? Why do you think that Vote Leave should be allowed to make claims about other countries but those other countries shouldn't respond to their claims if they think they're wrong? I'm not asking rhetorically. I want you to explain this to me.

OK, so why should country X avoid getting involved in the democratic process of country Y?

First reason is to respect the electorate of country Y. Whether it is "self-determination," a country choosing to move away from being a colony of another country, or the desire of east european states to escape from the control of Moscow/USSR/Russia - and we can all add many more examples.

Second reason is by avoiding "taking sides" the new government of country Y has a better chance of good relations with country X if they have been neutral in the electoral process. After all, good international relations are one of the things that the world needs.

So, it's a general principle, support the demoicratic process but don't take sides.

So, the leave campaign - or let's say it's any side in another political campaign - makes a claim that relates to country X. There's no specific need for country X to respond - and no reason for the current political leader to state an opinion about what might or moght not happen in the future in a way that might be felt to influence the political campaign.

I'd have had no concerns if Obama had said something like, "in my opinion........ or, my advice to US government would be...…. or, in previous situations the precedent was.... . Becasue all these are pretty neutral statements.

But, there were lots of categoric statements from non-UK politicians would should have stayed out of the campaigns. Who knows, if they had done maybe the situation today would have been a lot less fractious and uncertain.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You mean when people express their opinion that the holocaust was a hoax? They're not lying, they're just wrong. Those aren't the same thing.

Try again.

When the same suspects are repeatedly told their wrong. Yet the continue to spread their views. Are they peddling lies or opinions?

You try again you cretinous idiot

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:03 pm

who says the germans have no sense of humour?

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status ... 6066471937" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:06 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:martin p

Could you provide any facts to back up your opinion.

Thanksl

Study the above quote Marty! Absorb it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:06 pm

martin_p wrote:So you mean the statement made by Trump after you posted all the articles showing Obama lied.
In your own words......

See above

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:08 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:When the same suspects are repeatedly told their wrong. Yet the continue to spread their views. Are they peddling lies or opinions?

You try again you cretinous idiot

Having an opinion on something which might happen in the future is entirely different to having an opinion on something that has already happened. I thought you'd no that Wrongo, 'it's just my opinion, no one can possibly know what will happen in the future' has been one of your main lines of defence.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:08 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:who says the germans have no sense of humour?

The Germans

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:10 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:martin p

Could you provide any facts to back up your opinion.

Thanks

Nope, it was an attempt at humour, something you conspiracy theorists no doubt see as me covering something up!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:15 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Tempo was right, no idea that was for me.

Not saying Trump doesn't have influence, course he does.

I was just pointing out that Obama was attempting to influence the public vote on Brexit. Trump is not influencing a public vote, he can't by definition.

Just think it's a significant difference that should be noted.

What are you even on about? The debate i was having with Quickenthetempo was over his accusation that Obama lied. Other people piled on, including you. If you piled on not understanding the debate that was going on between Quicken and I then that's your own fault.

As for not addressing your point, of course i did. You just didn't like how I addressed, and have no way to respond to it with a logic-based counter because you and I both know that if a campaign is making presumptuous statements about you then you have every right to correct their presumptions.

If you have a problem with Obama expressing his opinion about what the United States would do if the UK leave the EU then Vote Leave shouldn't have expressed their opinion on what the United States would do. They brought the US into the debate. Direct your ire at them. (but you can't, because you like them and you're far too emotionally invested to look at this objectively)

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm

martin_p wrote:Having an opinion on something which might happen in the future is entirely different to having an opinion on something that has already happened. I thought you'd no that Wrongo, 'it's just my opinion, no one can possibly know what will happen in the future' has been one of your main lines of defence.

When Obama claimed we'd go to back of the queue, he knew it was BS, Cameron knew it was BS. And most sane people knew it was BS.

The statements by Trump and May clearly prove it was BS.

Or did I miss the bit of todays trump speach where he said" my predecessor was right. As I've explained to Prime minister May, unfortunately we'd like to agree a trade deal but there are many more countries ahead of the UK in the queue"?

Have you got the transcript to back up your opinon Marty !?

Stop your usual ploy of muddying the waters. Whining on about opinions in the future and past. You just sound desperate.

BS is BS. And your full of it!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:21 pm

martin_p wrote:Nope, it was an attempt at humour, something you conspiracy theorists no doubt see as me covering something up!

You certainly make no effort try to "cover up" that you're an idiot each and every time your left, floundering, with Jack sh1t to back up your outlandish claims and opinon!!!

No cover up there !!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:23 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:When the same suspects are repeatedly told their wrong. Yet the continue to spread their views. Are they peddling lies or opinions?

You try again you cretinous idiot

Erm. Being wrong doesn't necessarily mean you're lying. 2000 years ago the Church weren't lying when they said the Earth was the centre of the universe, they were wrong. 1,000 years ago when people thought witches existed they weren't lying, they were wrong. And today when people think the holocaust was a hoax they're not lying, they're just wrong.

I'm sorry our education system didn't adequately prepare you for the real world where not everything that is wrong is a lie. My taxes have failed you.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:25 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You certainly make no effort try to "cover up" that you're an idiot each and every time your left, floundering, with Jack sh1t to back up your outlandish claims and opinon!!!

No cover up there !!

Love you too Wrongo xx

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What are you even on about? The debate i was having with Quickenthetempo was over his accusation that Obama lied. Other people piled on, including you. If you piled on not understanding the debate that was going on between Quicken and I then that's your own fault

I was replying to LancasterClaret about a post I made, he didn't quote me and tempo pointed that out. Nowt to do with you. Again, I never said anything about Obama lying.

As for not addressing your point, of course i did. You just didn't like how I addressed, and have no way to respond to it with a logic-based counter because you and I both know that if a campaign is making presumptuous statements about you then you have every right to correct their presumptions.

No you didn't.

If you have a problem with Obama expressing his opinion about what the United States would do if the UK leave the EU then Vote Leave shouldn't have expressed their opinion on what the United States would do. They brought the US into the debate. Direct your ire at them. (but you can't, because you like them and you're far too emotionally invested to look at this objectively)

I don't have a problem with it.

Stop spinning your tyres. Take that chill pill we talked about. Go outside, it's nice.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:29 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:

When Obama claimed we'd go to back of the queue, he knew it was BS, Cameron knew it was BS. And most sane people knew it was BS.

The statements by Trump and May clearly prove it was BS.

Or did I miss the bit of todays trump speach where he said" my predecessor was right. As I've explained to Prime minister May, unfortunately we'd like to agree a trade deal but there are many more countries ahead of the UK in the queue"?

Have you got the transcript to back up your opinon Marty !?

Stop your usual ploy of muddying the waters. Whining on about opinions in the future and past. You just sound desperate.

BS is BS. And your full of it!

You can’t have any evidence of this being the case Wrongo, it’s in the future. No one knows if there’ll be a trade deal between the U.K. and the U.S. Come on Wrongo, you must remember how your own argument goes!

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:30 pm

Just listened to the full 1 hr press conference due to not working today. Entertaining stuff. Abiding thoughts:

1. May gives her stock 20 second answer to each question, word for word (e.g. we will stop sending VAST sums of money to EU). Trump talks for ages, honestly giving his view on each issue (and it does seem honest).

2. Trump complained about Germany getting most of its energy from Russia due to the new pipeline. I think he is right (he could also have referenced the UK selling many of its assets to Russia or China, same argument). May just sat on the fence and waffled.

3. Trump talked at length about immigration damaging the culture of Europe (I think he means excess immigration). Again, I think he is right as long as it is about excessive levels. May just waffled for 20 seconds.

All in all, I liked what he had to say.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:32 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:
No you didn't.

I've checked. I can't see a point you made to me that i haven't addressed. Would you like to point it out to me so that I can address it (again)?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:34 pm

martin_p wrote:You can’t have any evidence of this being the case Wrongo, it’s in the future. No one knows if there’ll be a trade deal between the U.K. and the U.S. Come on Wrongo, you must remember how your own argument goes!

Hoist with his own.... nah never mind

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:35 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Just listened to the full 1 hr press conference due to not working today. Entertaining stuff. Abiding thoughts:

1. May gives her stock 20 second answer to each question, word for word (e.g. we will stop sending VAST sums of money to EU). Trump talks for ages, honestly giving his view on each issue (and it does seem honest).

2. Trump complained about Germany getting most of its energy from Russia due to the new pipeline. I think he is right (he could also have referenced the UK selling many of its assets to Russia or China, same argument). May just sat on the fence and waffled.

3. Trump talked at length about immigration damaging the culture of Europe (I think he means excess immigration). Again, I think he is right as long as it is about excessive levels. May just waffled for 20 seconds.

All in all, I liked what he had to say.

But he is demonstrably not right. Why the **** are you so easily duped?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44794688" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:48 pm

martin_p wrote:You can’t have any evidence of this being the case Wrongo, it’s in the future. No one knows if there’ll be a trade deal between the U.K. and the U.S. Come on Wrongo, you must remember how your own argument goes!

You got that transcript Marty!?

You know. The one where Trump says "my predecessor was right. As I've explained to Prime minister May, unfortunately we'd like to agree a trade deal but there are many more countries ahead of the UK in the queue. He wasn't lying, he's a great guy"?

Waiting Marty!!!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:54 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Hoist with his own.... nah never mind

Shhhh it's that rare beast!

We see more of David Cameron than you Bordeaux!

Bet Danny Dyer would describe you in a very similar way to the aforementioned reclusive former PM!

I'd have to agree with him though!

# coward.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:00 pm

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DAG Rod Rosenstein has scheduled a press conference due to start imminently regarding a "law enforcement announcement". Could be anything really, but it's unusual so be on the look-out for incoherent and rage-filled Trump tweets in the immediate future.

*This has been a special announcement*

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:01 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Shhhh it's that rare beast!

We see more of David Cameron than you Bordeaux!

Bet Danny Dyer would describe you in a very similar way to the aforementioned reclusive former PM!

I'd have to agree with him though!

# coward.

#loveyou

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Erm. Being wrong doesn't necessarily mean you're lying. 2000 years ago the Church weren't lying when they said the Earth was the centre of the universe, they were wrong. 1,000 years ago when people thought witches existed they weren't lying, they were wrong. And today when people think the holocaust was a hoax they're not lying, they're just wrong.

I'm sorry our education system didn't adequately prepare you for the real world where not everything that is wrong is a lie. My taxes have failed you.

Again, I ask you.

Knowing they're spouting falsehoods, are they peddling lies or an opinion?

Lies or opinion?

In a word.......

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:03 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:#loveyou

#preferdanny

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Again, I ask you.

Knowing they're spouting falsehoods, are they peddling lies or an opinion?

Lies or opinion?

In a word.......

It doesn't matter if i know they're spouting falsehoods. What matters, in the question of whether they're lying or not, is whether they know they're spouting falsehoods or not.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:05 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:#preferdanny

You’ll always be my favourite.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It doesn't matter if i know they're spouting falsehoods. What matters, in the question of whether they're lying or not, is whether they know they're spouting falsehoods or not.

Epic point miss! In order to avoid a simple one word answer!

It's not if you know they're wrong, it's if they know they're wrong having being proven time and time again, you intelligence lacking chimp! And they continue to peddle the same views!

Are they peddling lies or an opinion?

Swerve times over!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:18 pm

The Queen says it like it is!

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/cel ... 0714175334" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;