Trump and the Two-State Solution

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:32 pm

Irrespective of whatever I personally feel is the best solution to bring an end to conflict in and around Israel, it is just staggering how clumsy and inconsistent Donald Trump is.

Is he really just plain thick or a damn good actor?

After doing his best to counter the idea of a Two-State solution in Israel e.g. by recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, he came out with this in a news conference held in the occasion of the 73rd session of the United Nations General Assembly:

"I think probably two-state is more likely," Trump said at a news conference in New York. "Well, I think the two-state will happen. I think we'll go down the two-state road."

But "if the Israelis and the Palestinians want one state, that's okay with me," he added. "If they want two states, that's okay with me."

Is that statesmanship? It reads like the words of a sixth-form college student doing an oral exam who quite simply hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:36 pm

He is just thick. Really thick.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:34 pm

Those comments there indicate full total uninformed idiot status, with no insight.

How the hell did he make all those $$$ billions?

Greeny · Post by **Greeny** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:03 pm

I think Donald's dad (Fred) was the brains behind the property based money making business which set up Donald for life.......

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:15 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Those comments there indicate full total uninformed idiot status, with no insight.

How the hell did he make all those $$$ billions?

He invested some of his huge inheritance into the markets which grew since the 80s despite him by a large factor.
Most of his businesses have been abject failures.
He couldn't even make his casino turn a profit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:21 pm

He needs to get into his head really quickly that the President of the USA can't just shoot stuff off the cuff in press conferences.

It would be hard for FDR in the age we are now, its bloody impossible for an imbecile like Trump

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:12 pm

Two words:

Fake News

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:19 pm

Amazes me how he has lasted so long.......

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:23 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Amazes me how he has lasted so long.......

Millions of banjo strummers hang on his very word!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:46 pm

For those on here who think Trump is thick I ask how many millions have you made?

Not a diplomat, rude and clumsy but certainly not thick and puts his country first like a few more in this country should.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He needs to get into his head really quickly that the President of the USA can't just shoot stuff off the cuff in press conferences.

It would be hard for FDR in the age we are now, its bloody impossible for an imbecile like Trump

I think you should take to the hustings your so clever.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:56 pm

Stayingup wrote:For those on here who think Trump is thick I ask how many millions have you made?

Not a diplomat, rude and clumsy but certainly not thick and puts his country first like a few more in this country should.

He's so stupid that he can't even be allowed to be interviewed by the Mueller investigation because he doesn't think he can trust himself to tell the truth. It's not difficult to tell the truth, unless you're corrupt as **** of course.

So, is he stupid and clean, or is he smart and corrupt?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's so stupid that he can't even be allowed to be interviewed by the Mueller investigation because he doesn't think he can trust himself to tell the truth. It's not difficult to tell the truth, unless you're corrupt as **** of course.

So, is he stupid and clean, or is he smart and corrupt?

He's a businessman not a politician and for that I say thank God because the current crop of politicians aren't fit to clean the toilets at Turf Moor. No idea. What about about the loon yesterday who called for a general strike to force an election. Now that is beyond stupid. Or the cretin - trade union bloke - who said he wakes an hour early every day so he can hate Thatcher for longer. Like or disl8ke her it's a disgusting comment from a absolute p!lock. Oh and I exempt Julie and my MP who are good people

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:48 pm

At least Trump does mention "one state", unlike the cowed down Corbyn. His support for a two-state is totally disingenuous when you take into account the realities on the ground.

The Single-state Solution Is Already Here

Now, of all times, out of the fire and despair, we must start talking about the last way out: one Israeli state with equal rights for both Jews and Arabs.

Gideon Levy

"... One state already exists here, and has done so for 48 years. The Green Line faded long ago; the settlements are in Israel, and Israel is also the settlers’ land. The fate of the two million Palestinians who live in the West Bank is decided by the government in Jerusalem and the defense establishment in Tel Aviv, not by Ramallah. Maj. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, the coordinator of government activities in the territories, is their ruler far more than Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is. They are clearly part of the binational state and have been its subjects, forcibly, for some three generations. This state has three regimes: democracy for the Jews; discrimination for the Israeli Arabs; and apartheid for the Palestinians. But everyone lives in one inseparable state.

The binational state that was born in 1967 is not democratic. In fact, it’s one of the worst states in the world, because of the military dictatorship it upholds in part of its territory – one of the most brutal, totalitarian regimes in existence today. It is also one of the most racist states, since it determines its residents’ rights based solely on their nationality. This is the one state that is washed in blood right now, and will continue to be washed in blood as long as it remains in its malicious, nondemocratic format.....

..Now, of all times, out of the fire and despair, we must start talking about the last way out: equal rights for all. For Jews and Arabs. One state is already here, and has been for a long time. All it needs is to be just and do the right thing. Who’s against it? Why? And, most important, what’s the alternative?"

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Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He needs to get into his head really quickly that the President of the USA can't just shoot stuff off the cuff in press conferences.

It would be hard for FDR in the age we are now, its bloody impossible for an imbecile like Trump

So does that little Frog Macron

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:23 pm

Stayingup wrote:For those on here who think Trump is thick I ask how many millions have you made?

How many millions has Trump made?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:25 pm

Stayingup wrote:He's a businessman not a politician and for that I say thank God because the current crop of politicians aren't fit to clean the toilets at Turf Moor. No idea. What about about the loon yesterday who called for a general strike to force an election. Now that is beyond stupid. Or the cretin - trade union bloke - who said he wakes an hour early every day so he can hate Thatcher for longer. Like or disl8ke her it's a disgusting comment from a absolute p!lock. Oh and I exempt Julie and my MP who are good people

So i asked you if Trump's corrupt or just stupid you respond with "he's a businessman not a politician". What kind of answer is that?

Also, holy **** is that a hilarious example of snowflakery. In what possible way is that obvious joke offensive enough to you to call someone a "cretin". Do you honestly think that person actually gets up for that? Don't be so ******* stupid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Greenmile wrote:How many millions has Trump made?

We don't know, but Robert Mueller does. Because even though Trump is too ashamed to release his tax returns publicly, as is standard for presidential nominees, Mueller certainly has access.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's so stupid that he can't even be allowed to be interviewed by the Mueller investigation because he doesn't think he can trust himself to tell the truth. It's not difficult to tell the truth, unless you're corrupt as **** of course.

So, is he stupid and clean, or is he smart and corrupt?

Personally I think he is a little bit of all 4, if that is possible.

Unlike Hilary who was just Smart and corrupt.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:50 pm

How many millions did Trump start off with, and how many millions has he lost?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:53 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Personally I think he is a little bit of all 4, if that is possible.

Unlike Hilary who was just Smart and corrupt.

In what way was Hilary corrupt? She was investigated for decades and they found nothing to prosecute her with so i'm curious to know what you know that countless investigations have missed.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:In what way was Hilary corrupt? She was investigated for decades and they found nothing to prosecute her with so i'm curious to know what you know that countless investigations have missed.

Same with Trump, literally exactly the same thing.

But you will swear blind that he is corrupt.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:07 pm

Er, does joining the FLA drop your IQ or something?

Investigations into Clinton - Whitewater, Bengazhi - convictions 0

Investigations into Trump - still ongoing but five guilty convictions so far, and there is no way its stopping there.

And he refuses to release his tax returns. Still.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:14 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Same with Trump, literally exactly the same thing.

But you will swear blind that he is corrupt.

Hillary never committed obstruction of justice to hinder an investigation into her. She never fired someone because they were investigating. She never refused to testify for fear that she couldn't help herself from lying. Trump has done all of this plus a lot, lot more.

Yes, Trump is clearly corrupt as ****. No one who is innocent conducts themselves the way he does, and nor do they surround themselves with so many obviously corrupt individuals.

Just look at who he's found to nominate to the supreme court, ffs.

He's managed to find someone who thinks a sitting president can pardon himself and shouldn't be investigated.

He even owned a university that was nothing more than a means to scam its students.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:17 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Er, does joining the FLA drop your IQ or something?

Investigations into Clinton - Whitewater, Bengazhi - convictions 0

Investigations into Trump - still ongoing but five guilty convictions so far, and there is no way its stopping there.

And he refuses to release his tax returns. Still.

He's also been sued thousands of times. And he's an un-indicted co-conspirator in a felony for which his former personal lawyer pleaded guilty and offered sworn testimony against.

But her emails.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:27 pm

Supporting Trump when you are not a Yank does suggest that you might be a fan of his attitudes to everyone who isn't a white male to be honest.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Supporting Trump when you are not a Yank does suggest that you might be a fan of his attitudes to everyone who isn't a white male to be honest.

All Trump supporters are either racists or apathetic towards racism. Just look at how they react when a black person gets "uppity" by protesting something.
They're also quite apathetic towards sexism too.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:All Trump supporters are either racists or apathetic towards racism. Just look at how they react when a black person gets "uppity" by protesting something.
They're also quite apathetic towards sexism too.

Yeah man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:03 pm

ecc wrote:Is he really just plain thick or a damn good actor?

To his brain-dead supporters, he's a highly intelligent man. To everyone else with a functioning brain, he's as thick as pig 5hit.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:10 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:To his brain-dead supporters, he's a highly intelligent man. To everyone else with a functioning brain, he's as thick as pig 5hit.

What’s the reasoning for that statement? It’s not a loaded question, I’m indifferent regarding trump but curious that he attracts so much attention. Don’t really follow US politics although I’m very aware he’s not a popular person.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:13 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:What’s the reasoning for that statement? It’s not a loaded question, I’m indifferent regarding trump but curious that he attracts so much attention. Don’t really follow US politics although I’m very aware he’s not a popular person.

I imagine the reasoning is his indescribable stupidity. As evidence i refer you to his twitter feed and his public statements.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:16 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:What’s the reasoning for that statement? It’s not a loaded question, I’m indifferent regarding trump but curious that he attracts so much attention. Don’t really follow US politics although I’m very aware he’s not a popular person.

He isn't one of the usual establishment, so many who are into politics get all sweaty and nervous about him.
They wanted someone like the warmongering Clinton in office instead, they don't like something different.

Trump rocks the boat far to much for their liking.
He appears to be an idiot, but he's saying the right things for a large swathe of Americans and they're willing to overlook his obvious failings.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:He isn't one of the usual establishment, so many who are into politics get all sweaty and nervous about him.
They wanted someone like the warmongering Clinton in office instead, they don't like something different.

Trump rocks the boat far to much for their liking.
He appears to be an idiot, but he's saying the right things for a large swathe of Americans and they're willing to overlook his obvious failings.

Just because large swathes of Americans like what he's saying doesn't mean he's not a dribbling moron. HE's one of the stupidest people ever, from the standpoint of stupidity.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Just because large swathes of Americans like what he's saying doesn't mean he's not a dribbling moron. HE's one of the stupidest people ever, from the standpoint of stupidity.

No he isn't though, I'd say George Bush jnr was an absolute moron, more so than Trump.

Trump and his team spotted an ideal opportunity to seize/wrest power in the US away from the usual lifetime politicians and they did it.
With some outside help of course, but you don't jump into the job of US President by being one of the most stupidest people ever.
He's also holding on to power at this moment in time and if there was another election now I think he's still garner a decent amount of votes, bizarrely.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's also been sued thousands of times. And he's an un-indicted co-conspirator in a felony for which his former personal lawyer pleaded guilty and offered sworn testimony against.
But her emails.

Hillary Clinton was crooked, down to her use of a personal E-mail server, destroying mobile phones with hammers to eliminate evidence, total denial of her private life and true character, just look at her donors and the lecture fees she attracted, had debate questions leaked to her in advance ....

As Jonathan Pie stated " Just how S**t do you have to be to lose to Donald Trump !! "

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:HE's one of the stupidest people ever, from the standpoint of stupidity.

Nice of you to give us an opinion from the standpoint of stupidity. Thanks.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:43 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Hillary Clinton was crooked, down to her use of a personal E-mail server, destroying mobile phones with hammers to eliminate evidence, total denial of her private life and true character, just look at her donors and the lecture fees she attracted, had debate questions leaked to her in advance ....

As Jonathan Pie stated " Just how S**t do you have to be to lose to Donald Trump !! "

Republican Secretaries of State have used personal email before, but even so that wouldn't make her crooked, just irresponsible.

Destroying evidence is a serious crime. If there was evidence of her doing that then why hasn't she been prosecuted? I'll answer for you, because she didn't.

I don't even know what "total denial of her private life and true character" is supposed to mean. In what way is that a crime?

What has her donors and lecture fees got to do with anything? If they are evidence of corruption would you like me to show you how the Russians donated to Trump's campaign via the National Rifle Association? Does Trump attracting donations from white supremacists mean he's a white supremacist? Because that's the logic you're implying is valid if you're suggesting that Hillary is guilty of the crimes of those who donated to her, which is really ******* stupid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:44 pm

Rowls wrote:Nice of you to give us an opinion from the standpoint of stupidity. Thanks.

You'll pretend you understood my post, but you didn't.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You'll pretend you understood my post, but you didn't.

Anyone who understands any of your posts is pretending.

Nightie night turtles

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:All Trump supporters are either racists or apathetic towards racism. Just look at how they react when a black person gets "uppity" by protesting something.
They're also quite apathetic towards sexism too.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:08 am

Clarets4me wrote:

Well argued.

If you support a racist then you're either racist or apathetic towards racism. Are you about to dispute that?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:21 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Republican Secretaries of State have used personal email before, but even so that wouldn't make her crooked, just irresponsible.

Destroying evidence is a serious crime. If there was evidence of her doing that then why hasn't she been prosecuted? I'll answer for you, because she didn't.

I don't even know what "total denial of her private life and true character" is supposed to mean. In what way is that a crime?

What has her donors and lecture fees got to do with anything? If they are evidence of corruption would you like me to show you how the Russians donated to Trump's campaign via the National Rifle Association? Does Trump attracting donations from white supremacists mean he's a white supremacist? Because that's the logic you're implying is valid if you're suggesting that Hillary is guilty of the crimes of those who donated to her, which is really ******* stupid.

a) You admit she's irresponsible, just what you want for the leader of the " Free World "

b) Trump called off the prosecution after he was elected ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qBtaefS7L0 ... CNN source..

c) Yes you do ...

d) He who pays the piper etc ...and, in an earlier post, you've already described all Trump supporters as racists or indifferent to racism, rather strange point really ... here's a few points on St Hilary ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=579-5EnhdrE

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:49 am

I'm a bit weird, but I'd quite like the leader of the worlds most powerful country not to be an irrational idiot.

Wisswosswass · Post by **Wisswosswass** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:06 am

ecc wrote:Irrespective of whatever I personally feel is the best solution to bring an end to conflict in and around Israel, it is just staggering how clumsy and inconsistent Donald Trump is.

Is he really just plain thick or a damn good actor?

After doing his best to counter the idea of a Two-State solution in Israel e.g. by recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, he came out with this in a news conference held in the occasion of the 73rd session of the United Nations General Assembly:

"I think probably two-state is more likely," Trump said at a news conference in New York. "Well, I think the two-state will happen. I think we'll go down the two-state road."

But "if the Israelis and the Palestinians want one state, that's okay with me," he added. "If they want two states, that's okay with me."

Is that statesmanship? It reads like the words of a sixth-form college student doing an oral exam who quite simply hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

He is just looking after American interests and probably his own. There's a huge amount of Jewish money involved in US politics. Saudi too but both are anti Iranian backed Hezbolah. A two state solution won't work though. Palestinians quite rightly think of it as theirs and the Israeli's are an occupying force. Flip the card and the Israeli's regard it as theirs. It's possible to have a two state solution I guess and it's better than nothing, but neither side will ever give up claiming it as theirs.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:12 am

The two state solution is the only way this ever gets sorted out BUT how you do that while

- satisfying the territorial claims of both
- compensating the people who would have to move, or were forced to move years ago
- Jerusalem

One thing is for sure, and that is moving the US embassy to Jerusalem does more to hinder any hope of a two state solution than anything that has happened for at least a decade.

And that is all on Trump.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:34 am

So many parallels...

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:51 am

Clarets4me wrote:a) You admit she's irresponsible, just what you want for the leader of the " Free World "

b) Trump called off the prosecution after he was elected ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qBtaefS7L0 ... CNN source..

c) Yes you do ...

d) He who pays the piper etc ...and, in an earlier post, you've already described all Trump supporters as racists or indifferent to racism, rather strange point really ... here's a few points on St Hilary ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=579-5EnhdrE

Why do you people keep providing sourcing that does absolutely nothing to support the claim you say it supports? Did you think i wasn't going to check you on that or something? At no point in that clip does it say Trump called off the prosecution, probably because it's from before he was elected, but what's more is it shows you just how ignorant you are. If the president called off a prosecution that would be a far bigger scandal than Her Emails™.

Yes, she was irresponsible, just as irresponsible as previous Secretaries of State. And no, it's not a trait you want in a president. Far better to have a racist president who is completely owned by a foreign government, right? Not only is Trump corrupt as **** in a way Clinton isn't, he's even worse than Clinton when it comes to handling classified intelligence. He just goes right ahead and gives it to the Russians, when he's not openly and publicly calling for them to commit espionage against his own country. But Her Emails though, right?

Clinton wasn't perfect but the idea that she'd be worse on any level than this shower of corrupt **** that is in the White House is even more stupid now than it was before the election. Trump is going down so hard he'll want to pay himself hush money to keep quiet. If you're going to be as corrupt as Trump is then you better also be at least a little bit competent, and that's why Trump is ******. You better get used to the idea now because when he resigns in disgrace i'm going to take great joy being smug about it.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:00 am

You will miss Trump when he has gone Turtle.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:07 am

Somehow, I think the only person who will miss Trump will be Putin!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:08 am

Putin, Piers Morgan and Turtle