Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:50 pm

Pointing out a ‘fact’ may be correct, however using it as reason to have another referendum to get the result you want?

Give your head a wobble.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:04 pm

Damo wrote:Wow. Talk about triggered.

Did that touch a nerve Charlie? No wonder you are always getting banned with outbursts like that.

As predicted, you fail to support the bullshit you've posted.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:07 pm

Greenmile wrote:Is it as bad or worse than making up lies about remainers calling all Leave voters Nazis?

I used to think you were fairly level headed, but you have turned into some kind of turtle-lite these past few weeks.
Stop playing his silly games

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:11 pm

Damo wrote:I used to think you were fairly level headed, but you have turned into some kind of turtle-lite these past few weeks.
Stop playing his silly games

Pointing out lies is not playing silly games. It’s more or less the only worthwhile thing one can do on a forum like this. If your lies were to go unchallenged, some folk might end up believing them.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:13 pm

We gave gone from a few ultra remainers wanting a rigged question in a second vote to a major political party today saying that they will. What's worse is that that party has been complaining about delays and is now prepared to make the uncertainty go on for ages.

Corbyn was as clear as mud this morning on how he would vote in his proposed rigged referendum.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:As predicted, you fail to support the bullshit you've posted.

I'm not going to do as you ask and single out posters. You were crying to the mods an another thread for something similar

Here's some from the first ten posts on Twitter search for nazi brexiteers though

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Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:23 pm

Greenmile wrote:Pointing out lies is not playing silly games. It’s more or less the only worthwhile thing one can do on a forum like this. If your lies were to go unchallenged, some folk might end up believing them.

He wasnt pointing out lies though was he?
He was asking me to embarras other posters by doing what he does. I.e searching through peoples posts and delivering them here, probably in a context they were never meant.
Because I'm not playing his silly game I'm a liar (even though you know I'm not)
Your as sad as he is

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:45 pm

Damo wrote:I'm not going to do as you ask and single out posters. You were crying to the mods an another thread for something similar

Here's some from the first ten posts on Twitter search for nazi brexiteers though

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Your evidence doesn’t support your claim that...

Damo wrote:After spending 2 years calling everyone who voted to leave a Nazi. It seems remainers are really offended by the term today.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:56 pm

Back-to-Front defends the right to end democracy by an all-party political coup (as of Nazi Germany 1933) and to cede all power to the EU to undermine Britain and if you don't like it, you're a Nazi.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:46 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your evidence doesn’t support your claim that...

I couldn't care less.
The minute and a half of time I spent away from my pint finding those was a minute and a half too long.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:02 pm

Greenmile wrote:Pointing out lies is not playing silly games. It’s more or less the only worthwhile thing one can do on a forum like this. If your lies were to go unchallenged, some folk might end up believing them.

Or you could alternatively reason that people aren’t below you intellectually & more than capable of deciding for themselves what to believe & not what to believe, just a idea to take onboard.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I wouldn't say that, I'd say that you lot have proper ****** this up and caused a national shitstorm and the probable break up of the UK and haven't got an actual plan apart from saying "all other plans are not our dream brexit" is a good reason to have another referendum.

The more you lot mess this up, the more support 2nd ref/remain gets. Thats what the polls say, and that is what the underlying trends back*

*I'm aware that an expert poll isn't the same as talking to your mates in the 19th hole about how Brexit means Brexit and that you all don't know anyone who would vote remain, so I'll understand fully if you want to ignore that.

What's all this use of you lot. Nobody on this board was involved in negotiations with the EU. That was carried out by a remainer......So your lot screwed it up would be a much more accurate inaccuracy.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The fact is that a lot of people who wanted Brexit are no longer with us, and have been replaced by people who don't want Brexit.

Pointing that out isn't anything that you and Darthlaw have claimed, and its a bit off to claim otherwise.

IMHO of course!

Perhaps a little less triumphalism when proclaiming this fact, might be a touch more tasteful.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:

There's a video of Farage atop a bus looking utterly miserable. I love it.

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It's just a tiny start of things to come yellow vests will appear soon and traitor MPs will start to lose their jobs ,the power is and always has been with the people so have your five minutes of smirking but keep that safe space clear...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:45 pm

Whose triumphant? Not me, I'm depressed about how badly its gone and just how many people think its all the fault of something other than actual Brexit itself.

Only a complete nutter would be proud of how we've messed up the last two years.

What's all this use of you lot. Nobody on this board was involved in negotiations with the EU. That was carried out by a remainer......So your lot screwed it up would be a much more accurate inaccuracy.

Kinda shows the level of interest that you've taken in this to come out with that. All the remainers fault.

But okay, whatever floats your boat.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:46 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Or you could alternatively reason that people aren’t below you intellectually & more than capable of deciding for themselves what to believe & not what to believe, just a idea to take onboard.

This is ironic, coming from the guy who believes every word that convicted fraudster “Tommy Robinson” says on YouTube (or wherever it is that he’s not been banned from spreading his poison).

It’s pretty clear that a substantial part of the population is easily taken in by lies. Something like 52% or so, I reckon.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:50 am

Damo wrote:I couldn't care less.
The minute and a half of time I spent away from my pint finding those was a minute and a half too long.

So you can find the time to tell / spread lies, but your excuse for being unable to back them up with evidence is that you’re too busy drinking? Aye, alright then.

Remember when you said the Remain campaign broke the law and you had to invent a huge conspiracy to back up your claim because there was no actual evidence?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:08 am

Greenmile wrote:So you can find the time to tell / spread lies, but your excuse for being unable to back them up with evidence is that you’re too busy drinking? Aye, alright then.

Remember when you said the Remain campaign broke the law and you had to invent a huge conspiracy to back up your claim because there was no actual evidence?

The "everything I dont like the sound of is a lie" thing that you and Charlie do is really desperate.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:16 am

Damo wrote:The "everything I dont like the sound of is a lie" thing that you and Charlie do is really desperate.

It a bit more “everything that can’t be backed up by any evidence despite having the entire internet at your fingertips is a lie”.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:44 am

Greenmile wrote:It a bit more “everything that can’t be backed up by any evidence despite having the entire internet at your fingertips is a lie”.

I gave you evidence. You said it didnt prove anything. Yet it backed up exactly what I said.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:16 am

Greenmile wrote:This is ironic, coming from the guy who believes every word that convicted fraudster “Tommy Robinson” says on YouTube (or wherever it is that he’s not been banned from spreading his poison).

It’s pretty clear that a substantial part of the population is easily taken in by lies. Something like 52% or so, I reckon.

That’s not true, I believed Tommy regarding the stuchberry incident that far left wing activists & jihadi lawyers were harassing him & his family, I don’t believe everything he says, if you wish to re-engage regarding brexit on a more sensible grounded footing I’m more than happy to, I intervened earlier as it applied generally & this thread seemed to going off topic as threads such as these often have the tendency to do. I could quite have easily left you & damo quarrelling & probably should have done, as it’s becoming more apparent having an advanced & mature debate is probably beyond you.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 am

This

I believed Tommy regarding the stuchberry incident that far left wing activists & jihadi lawyers were harassing him & his family

followed by this

as it’s becoming more apparent having an advanced & mature debate is probably beyond you.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:38 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Or you could alternatively reason that people aren’t below you intellectually & more than capable of deciding for themselves what to believe & not what to believe, just a idea to take onboard.

On page 44 of this thread there was some discussion about people changing their mind and someone put some YouGov polling data to which you stated

"I don’t care for the graphs & charts or what the experts say to be perfectly honest as I know it’s all designed to dupe the brexiteers & the 1s doubting to sway, I’ve mentioned this before so why you consider this relevant in countering my post, I’ve no idea."

You then asked

"When canvassing opinion to collate this chart, was it broad based amongst all sections of society or outside colleges & universities."

As a satirical joke I replied (to which I didn't think anyone could take my post seriously)

"Source data states it was a completely diverse cross section of Gender Studies students from Edinburgh University so in answer to your question - Yes it was broad based"

Unbelievably without question and probably because its what you wanted to hear you replied

"Thanks, students & university, pretty much tells me what I wanted to know."

And then used my post as evidence in your argument about the poll not being reliable stating

"The university students stand to lose out with brexit so why would i take seriously a graph/chart compiled by them, it's akin to asking young girls ect if they think justin bieber is good looking or asking anjem choudary & abu hamza if they think sharia law is a good idea."

Now this shows that either people by nature are just likely to take a lot of stuff on face value as truth unless it is counter argued or that you are right and maybe you are just one of the few not intellectually capable of deciding for yourself what to and what not to believe.

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are more than capable intellectually but that you are wrong about Greenmiles opinion that without challenge lies and mis-information will be believed and used to form opinions by bright and intelligent people especially in the Brexit context where people are so attached to an ideological position and/or desperate for their view to be right

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:40 am

Looking like another grey day, week, month and carreer for Mr's Maybe

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:19 am

Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit"

I'm expecting his hordes of fans on here to call him out for basically wasting six months of vital time so he and his ERG chums could pretend they were relevant but I won't be holding my breath.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:21 am

We are staying in, how many more times

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit"

I'm expecting his hordes of fans on here to call him out for basically wasting six months of vital time so he and his ERG chums could pretend they were relevant but I won't be holding my breath.

Apparently there's still a hardcore of about 30 Tory MPs that will vote against. So even if the DUP are convinced to vote for the deal it will need some more Labour defectors to get through. I guess we'll know by the end of today whether the vote is going to happen tomorrow.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit"

I'm expecting his hordes of fans on here to call him out for basically wasting six months of vital time so he and his ERG chums could pretend they were relevant but I won't be holding my breath.

I'm listening the Mogg as well.

You're trying to entirely misrepresent what he's just said.

Before you tell blatant lies to suit your twisted agenda, you may want check that nobody else is also listening to LBC, and that they're not in a position to highlight your fibs.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:39 am

So what has he said please.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:45 am

I'm listening to exactly the same thing as Ringo is, and I'm looking at the reports on twitter from LBC.

He's backing the deal. The one I back, and the one that Ringo doesn't.

Ringo probably been screaming "traitor" at the radio and missed it.

This is what he said

"JRM: "Mrs May's deal, however bad it is, takes us out of the European Union."

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:53 am

To be fair JRM is saying he's still undecided and that the decision of the DUP will have a massive influence on how he votes.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:57 am

No chance. he's laying the groundwork for a climbdown.

He's just understanding a bit later than everybody else that this is Brexit. Anything else ends in "No Brexit".

Abnd when he votes for the deal Ringo, I'll be expecting your apology.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:04 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:No chance. he's laying the groundwork for a climbdown.

He's just understanding a bit later than everybody else that this is Brexit. Anything else ends in "No Brexit".

Oh he's certainly doing that, he's even delegated his decision making to the DUP. He's finally realised that no deal won't happen despite his protestations that 'it's the law'; he's finally realised that it's not in any other EU county's interest to veto an extension; he's finally realised that if a deal isn't agreed in the next few days then Brexit may well be off.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:05 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit"

Liar.

He said nothing of the sort.

He said he had a "Brexit hierarchy. Leave with no deal then Mays deal, then preventing no brexit at all."

"The deal is a very bad deal. It neither delivers on the referendum result nor the Conservative party manifesto"

"We are at a point whereby, if we don't legally leave the European Union, we will never be allowed to get to this point again. The establishment will make sure it's puts it full weight behind preventing the country to get to this stage ever again"

"I honestly have not decided whether I'll vote for the deal or not, at this stage"

You're lying Lancaster Claret

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:08 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:No chance. he's laying the groundwork for a climbdown.

He's just understanding a bit later than everybody else that this is Brexit. Anything else ends in "No Brexit".

Abnd when he votes for the deal Ringo, I'll be expecting your apology.

No apologies from me. I owe you none.

Just a recommendation that you perhaps book an appointment to have your ears syringed out. You appear to be unable to actually ear what's being said on LBC

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:09 am

Oh good, another 67 page thread in which a devastated Ringo tries to claim a minor win when all his Brexit dreams go up in tatters.

I'm capable of listening to what he's saying and going "Yup, he's voting for it"

I've got the brains to see that, and you know whats the most disappointing, so have you.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:12 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh good, another 67 page thread in which a devastated Ringo tries to claim a minor win when all his Brexit dreams go up in tatters.

I'm capable of listening to what he's saying and going "Yup, he's voting for it"

I've got the brains to see that, and you know whats the most disappointing, so have you.

You're a liar cloth ears.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:No chance. he's laying the groundwork for a climbdown.

He's just understanding a bit later than everybody else that this is Brexit. Anything else ends in "No Brexit".

Abnd when he votes for the deal Ringo, I'll be expecting your apology.

It won't go through without the DUP, there aren't enough votes otherwise.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Liar.

He said nothing of the sort.

He said he had a "Brexit hierarchy. Leave with no deal then Mays deal, then preventing no brexit at all."

"The deal is a very bad deal. It neither delivers on the referendum result nor the Conservative party manifesto"

"We are at a point whereby, if we don't legally leave the European Union, we will never be allowed to get to this point again. The establishment will make sure it's puts it full weight behind preventing the country to get to this stage ever again"

"I honestly have not decided whether I'll vote for the deal or not, at this stage"

You're lying Lancaster Claret

You're right to say he hasn't said it explicitly, but if you couple his hierarchy above with his comments about it looking like the PM is determined no deal won't happen, then logic leads you to the only voting option he has left.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:15 am

Okay, lets look at it another way Ringo

Do you think JRM is going to vote for Mays deal or not based on us both listening to the same show?

If you want to claim the win that he didn't exactly say that, then you can have it.

But then you don't get to claim to be understanding what he said then, which is clearly that he will vote for the deal.

He's given himself a weak DUP link to try to hoodwink people that he's doing it for the best of reasons (but the DUP are under loads of pressure from within NI who actually like the backstop) but he's flipped. You know it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:16 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit".

I'm not claiming anything. Other than your a liar.

" I honestly have not decided whether I'll vote for the deal or not, at this stage" Jacob Rees Mogg, LBC Radio, 18th March 2019,

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:16 am

It's the nation's Brexit and not to eff up by a nazi coup, zing heil Lancaster. Lancaster????????????????????????? Baku.........

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:16 am

Its almost like you don't understand what he's done Ringo.

Actually no, thats unfair, you don't want to believe that is what he's done.

But thats what he's done.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:18 am

I should know by now talking to you is a waste of time.

My Brexit deal goes through, and your fantasy brexit does not.

Claim the win Ringo, JRM has.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:19 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its almost like you don't understand what he's done Ringo.

Actually no, thats unfair, you don't want to believe that is what he's done.

But thats what he's done.

It's almost as if you don't understand that claiming that somebody has said something that he hasn't, is simply lying.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:20 am

Good news everybody else

Ringo got the bit between his teeth.

Oh my god, how will I cope?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its almost like you don't understand what he's done Ringo.

Actually no, thats unfair, you don't want to believe that is what he's done.

But thats what he's done.

He's wanting to lay out his reasons for flipping his vote to 'yes' for May's deal while hoodwinking his supporters into thinking he's not going to do it. It's worked perfectly!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:21 am

So when JRM votes for the deal, is he lying now?

Just a question like

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:27 am

Exactly Martin. Exactly.

Its what the political commentators are saying as well.

I got that quote that Ringo is very keen on highlighting from one who then says that JRM is going to change his vote.

But lets concentrate on what is important here

The meaning of the word "evidence".......no, that was last weeks hobby horse, this week its "Lancaster claret is a liar"

I'm supremely not bothered by that, but would expect a lot of Brexiteers to be very bothered by JRM stance. But for some daft reason, Ringo is ignoring that and concentrating on calling me a liar.

Its laughable really.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:30 am

SmudgetheClaret wrote:It's just a tiny start of things to come yellow vests will appear soon and traitor MPs will start to lose their jobs ,the power is and always has been with the people so have your five minutes of smirking but keep that safe space clear...

Fifty-two, and you ****** it up
Fifty-two, and you ****** it up
...