Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Newcastleclaret93]

No one said the club aren't arsed about promotion. We all want it, but there is a reality to what we can achieve.
If you watch the video 'Kompany meets the Lads' on Clarets+, it is clear that it is going to take time. As VK said, it's a lot more complicated than spreading out and making space.
Making sure you don't overload zones of the pitch.
The weight of the pass.
The timing of runs.
The angles of the pass.
Just as SD didn't park the bus, there is a science behind everything we did, and there is a science behind everything that VK wants. He has warned the players that it could take 3, 4 or 5 months to get it right. Rather like driving a car, to the point where you can play the system 'without' thinking about it. WHEN they get it, they will love it, and so will we.
BUT, that takes time, and time means that although we want promotion it will take a very quick learning curve from all the squad, to achieve it. It also means that we fans have to be patient, and support the players when it doesn't quite come off.

Promotion will just get harder each season we stay down. As we will have to sell our best players each season.

As much as Kompany needs time to get his system across we need a quick start.

[AGENT_CLARET]

If we sign anymore City players are we going to end up like this by the end of the season

https://youtu.be/ZDKF8KkD7rE

[ClaretAL]

Promotion will just get harder each season we stay down. As we will have to sell our best players each season.

As much as Kompany needs time to get his system across we need a quick start.

All I ever see from you is negativity towards our club. Some of it may be warranted but the majority is not, therefore either your a rovers fan or with all due respect and in all sincerity have some issues that you may need to see someone about.

[Newcastleclaret93]

All I ever see from you is negativity towards our club. Some of it may be warranted but the majority is not, therefore either your a rovers fan or with all due respect and in all sincerity have some issues that you may need to see someone about.

Please highlight what was negative about that?

[Colburn_Claret]

Promotion will just get harder each season we stay down. As we will have to sell our best players each season.

As much as Kompany needs time to get his system across we need a quick start.

We'd love a quick start, but as Forrest showed last season it isn't essential. I believe, or hope, that after the world cup break, we could be flying. IF we are within the top half of the table at that point, our chances will improve drastically.
Fulham walked the league last season and lost about 10 games. Most teams that go up have a similar stat. The only 2 clubs that stand out as different are ourselves and Leicester. We've only lost 5 games in each of our last 3 seasons at this level. I don't believe the Championship is as good now as it was then, so even with an average run, I can't see us being cut adrift.

[Vegas Claret]

Please highlight what was negative about that?

I don't think you are negative, I think it's more unrealistic. We've spent less than 10 seasons in the top flight since the 60's, we've no divine right to be there and a completely new team with loads of young lads in is going to take time to gel. In an ideal world we win at Huddersfield and walk the division but that is extremely unrealistic

[Newcastleclaret93]

We'd love a quick start, but as Forrest showed last season it isn't essential. I believe, or hope, that after the world cup break, we could be flying. IF we are within the top half of the table at that point, our chances will improve drastically.
Fulham walked the league last season and lost about 10 games. Most teams that go up have a similar stat. The only 2 clubs that stand out as different are ourselves and Leicester. We've only lost 5 games in each of our last 3 seasons at this level. I don't believe the Championship is as good now as it was then, so even with an average run, I can't see us being cut adrift.

Fair points.

I was more pointing to your comments about promotion. I still think we have to get promoted this season. It’s got be our best chance of getting back.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't think you are negative, I think it's more unrealistic. We've spent less than 10 seasons in the top flight since the 60's, we've no divine right to be there and a completely new team with loads of young lads in is going to take time to gel. In an ideal world we win at Huddersfield and walk the division but that is extremely unrealistic

But in the same respect Vegas we have just had 6 seasons of prem football and all that brings financially and the quality of player we have gone down with. We are in a much more advantageous position to go up than the majority of clubs in the championship.

I think it is realistic to expect promotion and it has to be a target whislt the finances are there.

[Ric_C]

Expecting promotion is the first step to failure. Our attitude as fans has to be both patient and respectful of the league. Otherwise it will bite us on the arse

[Newcastleclaret93]

Expecting promotion is the first step to failure. Our attitude as fans has to be both patient and respectful of the league. Otherwise it will bite us on the arse

What’s your personal target for the season?

[RVclaret]

Expecting promotion is the first step to failure. Our attitude as fans has to be both patient and respectful of the league. Otherwise it will bite us on the arse

Agree completely. Pace literally said he could have appointed someone who might have been seen as more ‘immediate promotion’ type, but he felt VK was a far better fit overall for what they want and their vision. VK has since said they will go for promotion but it isn’t an absolute necessity. Bellamy I think said we’ll be going for promotion. It’s clearly the aim, but ‘expecting’ it isn’t the right attitude - there are some good teams knocking around going for the same spots, who haven’t had such a huge squad turnover.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agree completely. Pace literally said he could have appointed someone who might have been seen as more ‘immediate promotion’ type, but he felt VK was a far better fit overall for what they want and their vision. VK has since said they will go for promotion but it isn’t an absolute necessity. Bellamy I think said we’ll be going for promotion. It’s clearly the aim, but ‘expecting’ it isn’t the right attitude - there are some good teams knocking around going for the same spots, who haven’t had such a huge squad turnover.

Being too positive isn’t the right attitude? Not like you RV

[RVclaret]

Being too positive isn’t the right attitude? Not like you RV

Difference between being positive and ‘expecting’ a certain result, especially a result we are currently outsiders to achieve, looking at the betting. I personally think we’ll be up there, in the mix, but still need to wait and see what more business we do (ins and outs).

[Newcastleclaret93]

Difference between being positive and ‘expecting’ a certain result, especially a result we are currently outsiders to achieve, looking at the betting. I personally think we’ll be up there, in the mix, but still need to wait and see what more business we do (ins and outs).

That’s two different things in my mind.

I’m expecting promotion, whether we achieve that or not is another matter.

Surely you have an expectation on the club? It’s pretty simple it’s either to get promoted or not

[RVclaret]

That’s two different things in my mind.

I’m expecting promotion, whether we achieve that or not is another matter.

Surely you have an expectation on the club? It’s pretty simple it’s either to get promoted or not

No my expectation is to see a more positive, attractive playing style and finish in the top 6 - I believe we’ve got the squad to do that.

[Sheff_bfc]

Agree completely. Pace literally said he could have appointed someone who might have been seen as more ‘immediate promotion’ type, but he felt VK was a far better fit overall for what they want and their vision. VK has since said they will go for promotion but it isn’t an absolute necessity. Bellamy I think said we’ll be going for promotion. It’s clearly the aim, but ‘expecting’ it isn’t the right attitude - there are some good teams knocking around going for the same spots, who haven’t had such a huge squad turnover.

Great post. A sense of realism is important here. I think we'll be there or thereabouts, but it's going to be a long hard slog against some very good teams. Can't wait to get started.

[martin_p]

I think anyone expecting promotion after all the upheaval of the last few months; new manager, big turnover of players, etc, is being unrealistic. That doesn’t mean won’t turn out to be brilliant and go straight up of course but given the number of unknown quantities we have in the team there’s no way of knowing at this point in time.

Last time we went down I did expect us to be there or there abouts but that was a completely different situation.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think anyone expecting promotion after all the upheaval of the last few months; new manager, big turnover of players, etc, is being unrealistic. That doesn’t mean won’t turn out to be brilliant and go straight up of course but given the number of unknown quantities we have in the team there’s no way of knowing at this point in time.

Last time we went down I did expect us to be there or there abouts but that was a completely different situation.

I just don’t understand why there are so many fans not targeting promotion.

Where has all the negativity and dampened expectations come from?

I regularly read the standard in the championship is shocking

[ksrclaret]

I just don’t understand why there are so many fans not targeting promotion.

Where has all the negativity and dampened expectations come from?

I regularly read the standard in the championship is shocking

Probably from reading all your posts!!!! You said we were likely not going to be promoted now on the day we sold Collins?

Seriously though, it matters not one jot what the fans "personal targets" are for this season. We have absolutely no influence beyond making a bit of noise. Just sit back and enjoy it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Probably from reading all your posts!!!! You said we were likely not going to be promoted now on the day we sold Collins?

Seriously though, it matters not one jot what the fans "personal targets" are for this season. We have absolutely no influence beyond making a bit of noise. Just sit back and enjoy it.

Yep my target is still promotion though.

I think your right but I think it also helps if you have everyone pushing in the same direction.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think your right but I think it also helps if you have everyone pushing in the same direction.

Am I reading this right?
We've had fans pushing against the new owners from day one and some still are and will continue to do so for a few years yet I think

[claretspice]

Personally, I think the squad is one, possibly two players short, most obviously up front. I think Jay in particular has a huge role to play (he's a much better player when the ball is played to feet and his movement has always been very intelligent, and he'll do all that but still provide the physical focal point that is essential in the Championship) and I think Barnes will be a really good option for us. But without having yet seen a Kompany side play, this very narrow 4-4-2/4-2-2-2 logically requires a forward with the pace to make in-to-out runs to stretch teams and create space. We've still got Cornet who is lively (if not lightening fast) but he's at his best playing from out-to-in, starting wide. Of course - that's exactly what Vydra excelled at, so it's still possible that he's in mind for that role, but otherwise I'm a little unsure whether they'll be the pace in the team to make the most of the intelligent footballers Kompany has amassed.

The other weakness would still seem to be the lack of experience at the heart of defence, and I'm not surprised we're still being linked with yet more centre backs. That business has been a little odd so far to my mind.

All in all, the squad does look strong in plenty of areas - midfield, full back (clearly a vital role in Kompany's system and I suspect we might see plenty of rotation in those positions given the 2 games a week cycle in the Championship) and at least for now, in the wide midfield/attacking midfield positions (where we have Cornet, McNeil, Twine and Gudmundsson before considering Bastien and Brownhill). But it is still a little unbalanced, lacks a bit of pace, and given the turnover of players and lack of experience at the back, I still think it's impossible to judge how things will pan out. It's all something of an experiment.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Am I reading this right?
We've had fans pushing against the new owners from day one and some still are and will continue to do so for a few years yet I think

Off course but that’s why we have got to target promotion. It will ease that burden on them if we are promoted.

[Ric_C]

There's a massive difference between targeting promotion and expecting it. The latter exudes arrogance. Personally I think we'll be there or there abouts but there is a long way to go in this window yet. I'm excited but I'm not going to haul our players over the coals if we get off to a slow start

Remember 08-09 when our first two games was a 4-1 away loss and a 3-0 home defeat?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Off course but that’s why we have got to target promotion. It will ease that burden on them if we are promoted.

No it won't, if fans have pushed since day one then they'll continue to do so until the owners sell up, see Utd and the Glazer out loonies for proof of that.

They'll quieten down for a bit if we get promoted quickly, but once we've settled back into being a lower end PL team then the grief will start again, it's quite predictable.

[TickTock]

I enjoy reading your posts and your chirpiness . I hope your belief stays strong if we sell your idol , McNeil

You realise Mcneil isnt going anywhere right?

[nyclaret]

There's a massive difference between targeting promotion and expecting it. The latter exudes arrogance. Personally I think we'll be there or there abouts but there is a long way to go in this window yet. I'm excited but I'm not going to haul our players over the coals if we get off to a slow start

Remember 08-09 when our first two games was a 4-1 away loss and a 3-0 home defeat?

Hopefully Muric isn't Penny 2.0!

[Dark Cloud]

I'm still expecting that O'Hare and probably Delap will come in at some point. I just feel they're simmering somewhere and will eventually come back to the fore. We've clearly gone beyond simple "enquiries" and got a way down the line, especially with O'Hare and like Muric, it's never over, even when it seems to have gone quiet.

[IanMcL]

You do realise the club cant stop it right, transfers and at an academy level work differently to senior as a result they can take him and pay a compensation fee and we cant say know which is what has happened thompson wasnt involved at all in pre-season so Kompany clearly doesnt rate him, dont whinge over an academy player leaving who you have probably never seen play and who certainly isnt a star.

I wasn't thinking about the untried. I was looking at alm the articles relating to our first reamers, who all appear to have a price to go.

[It Is What It Is]

Recent posts a bit deep.
Look.
New Division.
New manager and his staff.
A world renowned experienced top level player as our manager.
A new Team Build.
We have money.
Spent it exceedingly well.
Good quality players...untested, but good quality and proven internationals at their level.
I really cannot understand the pessimistic attitude of some regular posters.
Keep the Faith....BFC is in a very very healthy position...far far better than other teams in the Championship.
The future is bright....the future is Claret.

Confidence throughout the squad appears solid.
Sports pundits predict return to EPL next season.

[JarrowClaret]

Off course but that’s why we have got to target promotion. It will ease that burden on them if we are promoted.

Who has said they wouldn’t target promotion I think everyone would it is just some think with all the changes it probably would be sensible not to expect it.

Anyway I still think we are going 46 unbeaten i hope that’s enough positivity for you.

[quoonbeatz]

[JarrowClaret]

[Hedontplayforyou]

ANY RUMOURS BOYS AND GIRLS?

[Vegas Claret]

I think people are being a bit disrespectful to Jay. He is a good footballer and good finisher. He never really slotted into the Dyche 442 in my mind but knuckled down and got on with it. I'm interested to see how he does under a different style where he isn't expected to be running the channels. I think he'll do well this year.

and the people saying he won't cut it are the same who worried about a lack of experience in the team........

[Hipper]

So am I getting this right. Only a sensible person could see that this group of players, who they’ve not seen play together before, will not achieve promotion? So anyone who thinks the opposite, and thinks it is possible, is not sensible? Is that right?

Well, perhaps I should have said 'guaranteed', but generally, yes!

They're a bunch of unknowns with potential, League One and Premier reserve players plus the mostly low level Prem/good Championship players that have remained at the club. Then of course we have an almost rookie manager who has ripped up the former manual that Burnley have used to play the last few years for some system that appears untested in the UK. I'm not saying all this didn't need doing. I agree it may be exciting, at least until, the first match and perhaps the whole season as a team and manager develop before our eyes. But it's no guarantee for promotion.

[Elizabeth]

You realise Mcneil isnt going anywhere right?

No, I missed the statement from the club

[Woodleyclaret]

Computer says yes, we are going up enjoy the ride

[Firthy]

ANY RUMOURS BOYS AND GIRLS?

You need to come into the real world

[Commy]

Everton supposedly offering £5m loan and then £20m buy for Cornet.

[Oldparkwood]

FFS let’s get back on topic Ladies And Gents. Try and stay away from the one up manship

[RVclaret]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ulham.html

Sounds like Forest are getting serious about Cornet.

[AfloatinClaret]

...I still think we are going 46 unbeaten i hope that’s enough positivity for you.

I can't remember a July when I haven't thought we were about to start an unbeaten season; though I'll concede that it took effort to maintain the belief when we were in the Premier League.

[Newcastleclaret93]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ulham.html

Sounds like Forest are getting serious about Cornet.

Simon Jones is usually pretty good Tbf

Doesn’t he have links to Burnley in some way?

[RVclaret]

Simon Jones is usually pretty good Tbf

Doesn’t he have links to Burnley in some way?

Forest seem to be in the mood to spend. Depends if Cornet feels it’s a good move for him - another relegation battle.

Not sure on Simon Jones links.

[AGENT_CLARET]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ulham.html

Sounds like Forest are getting serious about Cornet.

At the end of the day Forest can bid 40 million all up front but it's Cornet who decides if he goes or not, if they come in and I was Cornet I'd say match that 200k a week or do one

[AGENT_CLARET]

A quick recap on our transfer window so far for those struggling to keep up and need to know who's who on the pitch

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[Pickles]

Southampton have made a bid of £16m for Delap. Fabrizio Romano.

[Kevwando]

Southampton have made a bid of £16m for Delap. Fabrizio Romano.

City have rejected the bid

[RVclaret]

Think it’s highly unlikely we get Delap, given the PL interest in him, hopefully we’ve got other targets.