Next manager

[boyyanno]

You are talking about his past character here though.

I’m pretty sure in the last two years we’ll have had chance to judge what his current character is like.

I mean I know for a fact that Kompany had to step in in Year 1 due to Bellamys treatment of some data analyst's. But if you completely ignore that of course his past character is relevant- when you apply for jobs are you asked to provide references etc? Why do you think that is?

[RVclaret]

That's your opinion but I don't think it's based on real world experience.

As someone who has hired managers (internally and externally) I can honestly say that if I asked someone why they had left their previous management position, and they responded- Bullying allegations and it was investigated and found that I had created a toxic culture within my team then the interview would be an extremely short one. There is a big difference between being an assistant and having all the responsibility.

The golf club incident just shows what kind of character he is. All relevant in my opinion.

I also know that some people within the club don't like him, I'm sure some also do, but realistically being liked is pretty irrelevant as it's not a requirement for the position.

From the quotes he gave on the bullying case it’s hard to know exactly what went on, but also he admitted there will be some self-reflection and learning to be done. Worth nothing this was 4/5 years ago.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... estigation

I’d argue being liked is certainly something to at least be considered. If the data analysts you refer to were upset and reported it then can we expect Pace and co would know about it?

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Not sure Bellamy or Parker fit with Pace's requirement of wanting a "big name" for player pull, as reported by The Athletic.

[HahaYeah]

The Bellamy "leg breaking" story...

“I knocked on his [Riise’s] door, no answer, I knocked on the door again and he leaves it on the latch …. I came in, turned the light on, swore a hell of a lot at him. I smacked him across the legs … Then he got into the corner, got the sheets and bedding around him, and I said, ‘if you ever speak to me like that in front of people again, I’m telling you now …’.”

'A truly batsh*t story from a truly batsh*t man. But this isn’t even the best part. Days later, both Bellamy and Riise scored against Barcelona … and Bellamy celebrated by pretending to swing a golf club. Not even Spielberg could write that script.'

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/craig- ... tack-story

[boyyanno]

From the quotes he gave on the bullying case it’s hard to know exactly what went on, but also he admitted there will be some self-reflection and learning to be done. Worth nothing this was 4/5 years ago.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... estigation

I’d argue being liked is certainly something to at least be considered. If the data analysts you refer to were upset and reported it then can we expect Pace and co would know about it?

The problem is with the bullying issue (at least in my eyes) is that it's the only role he's had where he was the main man. He was in charge of the u18s and it went Pete Tonge.

It's a lot different to being an assistant to someone like Kompany who can keep you in check.

To a lesser degree It's the same with Barton, Dyche got a tune out of him as a player and he was seemingly very professional in his time here, but when he was outside of Dyches embrace he was and is a train wreck.

R:E the data analysts I'm not sure it ever went through a formal process but I do know Kompany stamped it out pretty quickly. I think this is somthing that happened quite often in their working relationship- I'm sure Bellamy has done plenty right as well, but he won't have a Kompany (or anyone else) putting fires out for him.

I appreciate people may disagree and you're welcome to say it's in his past but I'd be very wary about giving someone like this a managers position.

[JarrowClaret]

The clue was in the posts last night, it went to being Ruud was a done deal to its close next 24 hours is crucial in the space of 20 minutes. That’s someone completely making it up as they go along

Who truly cares as I said accept it for what it is ignore and move on life’s much simpler that way.

[Holtyclaret]

I'm amazed anyone would go near Bellamy for the managers position.

Someone who had to leave his last club due to bullying issues and tried to break a teammates leg with a golf club when a player.

He's the only candidate I would struggle to support.

Not that he’s my first choice, but wouldn’t be disastrous (we should be aiming higher), but I’d strongly suggest you watch (parts one and two);

https://youtu.be/57eqghTJ2Ik?si=sYrLUBGiRlRKe-Eo

https://youtu.be/6x5RSkaGywE?si=Z8fFN0F2_FU6qdC8

Filmed while he was waiting for vk and team to be officially unveiled.

Explains a few things and I was particularly impressed with him as a person.

[Casper2]

If and it’s a big if Bellamy gets it you can write off next season and a long spell in the wilderness beckons.

[Toby Carvery]

Interesting to note that Matt Wells, that is, Parker’s assistant at both Bournemouth and Brugge, has been appointed to the staff at Spurs.

[RVclaret]

If and it’s a big if Bellamy gets it you can write off next season and a long spell in the wilderness beckons.

That’s quite an assertive and bold statement. What gives you such confidence to make it?

[South West Claret.]

Pardew would like the job, don’t worry though as it comes from Talkrubbish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 88gpk7n40o

[boyyanno]

Not that he’s my first choice, but wouldn’t be disastrous (we should be aiming higher), but I’d strongly suggest you watch (parts one and two);

https://youtu.be/57eqghTJ2Ik?si=sYrLUBGiRlRKe-Eo

https://youtu.be/6x5RSkaGywE?si=Z8fFN0F2_FU6qdC8

Filmed while he was waiting for vk and team to be officially unveiled.

Explains a few things and I was particularly impressed with him as a person.

I've seen them. I don't judge a person by what they say about themselves, his actions speak for him.

If you want a reason why I've been so dismissive of this you can check his comments about Cardiff. He maintained he had done nothing wrong, yet the investigation found a number of concerns.

Generally people aren't that honest about themselves so I try and look at the evidence available. The leg break thing and the bullying issues are enough to raise concerns for me.

I won't even mention that he played for them lot

[Casper2]

That’s quite an assertive and bold statement. What gives you such confidence to make it?

Bellamy has no managerial experience and if we don’t get back up quickly, the Americans aren’t going to hang around , that’s 2 reasons, there are many more .

[RVclaret]

Bellamy has no managerial experience and if we don’t get back up quickly, the Americans aren’t going to hang around , that’s 2 reasons, there are many more .

While true, Enzo Maresca had just half a season of managerial experience before last season, at Palma in Italy, where he was sacked after a miserable run of results. Obv he then won the league with Leicester (admittedly had the best squad but arguably so do we) and has been signed up by Chelsea.

[123EasyasBFC]

Depends on the process? If the process is interviewing all candidates twice (or more) then perhaps that only just concluded. If we wanted RVN as first choice (as speculation points towards) then we couldn’t have ‘easily appointed both by now’, as we were trying for someone else.

Also don’t forget suntan said it 100% wasn’t going to be Bellamy or lampard

[ClaretTony]

If it's between Bellamy and Parker then Bellamy all day long.

One has no managerial experience whatsoever, the other has twice won promotion to the Premier League.

[123EasyasBFC]

One has no managerial experience whatsoever, the other has twice won promotion to the Premier League.

Totally agree how anyone can choose Bellamy over Parker

[123EasyasBFC]

https://x.com/adjones_journo/status/180 ... rNr6Z5x6nA Here is mr slow sports news himself Andy jones late to the party as ever

[RVclaret]

Totally agree how anyone can choose Bellamy over Parker

How bored have you been watching England play?

Parker’s football is a carbon copy of Southgate.

Personally I don’t want to watch that all season, and just cause he’s won 2 promotions (just about) with 2 standout squads, doesn’t mean he will again. I mean look at Daniel ‘guaranteed promotion’ Farke last season.

[Darnhill Claret]

HahaYeah and everyone on the thread so far.
I remember the story of Craig Bellamy, because the story had got out prior to the match in question. On the front page of The Racing Post that morning there was a story that Paddy Power were offering 33/1 that Bellamy would score and celebrate with a golf swing.
I placed a bet and Craig did the rest. As we know Craig likes to help the man in the street take a few quid off the bookies.
There was an after match interview with Craig and maybe Riise as well, I'm not 100% sure. Craig said it was after a long hotel evening and alcohol was involved and they had settled their differences. All certainly seemed well during said interview.

[Darnhill Claret]

It wouldn't be the only time that fights had broken out between teammates.

[123EasyasBFC]

How bored have you been watching England play?

Parker’s football is a carbon copy of Southgate.

Personally I don’t want to watch that all season, and just cause he’s won 2 promotions (just about) with 2 standout squads, doesn’t mean he will again. I mean look at Daniel ‘guaranteed promotion’ Farke last season.

I wouldn’t say Parker’s style is anything like Southgate

[123EasyasBFC]

The whole ‘the players like Bellamy’ it’s easy for players to like Bellamy the coach when he’s not the one picking who’s in the match day squad. Some of those players if Bellamy suddenly didn’t pick them would soon change their opinion of him

[Murger]

Why on earth would we appoint someone (who was due to be replaced), as manager?

[Newcastleclaret93]

The amount of people saying ‘give it Bellamy’ is scary

I know what can possibly go wrong, Bellamy as manager has an absolute disaster written all over him.

[kentonclaret]

How bored have you been watching England play?

Parker’s football is a carbon copy of Southgate.

Personally I don’t want to watch that all season, and just cause he’s won 2 promotions (just about) with 2 standout squads, doesn’t mean he will again. I mean look at Daniel ‘guaranteed promotion’ Farke last season.

Tens of thousands of England fans have travelled all the way out to Germany to watch Southgate’s team play football. Flights, Hotels etc. What a load of mugs eh?

[KlyBfc]

Why on earth would we appoint someone (who was due to be replaced), as manager?

Exactly and who’s replacement would suddenly become his right hand man

Though I’ve been against Parker from the start, I’m a little lost with it now. I don’t want Bellamy, Parker, Rosenior or Lampard. Therefore if it’s not Corberan i may well be left a little dissapointed, though I’ll give anyone my backing to start with.

Must add however I’d take all the above over Thierry Henry.

[NewClaret]

I mean I know for a fact that Kompany had to step in in Year 1 due to Bellamys treatment of some data analyst's. But if you completely ignore that of course his past character is relevant- when you apply for jobs are you asked to provide references etc? Why do you think that is?

I didn’t say it is irrelevant, just that two years of service should have flushed out any issues and given us a good idea of his character is like now which is, using your reference analogy, is a) the best possible reference and b) exactly why employers ask for current references because people do change.

If there were some argy bargy with staff I’d expect Pace will know and factor that in to his decision. Although I expect tempers do flare in a high pressure, results driven, testosterone filled environment like a football club. It’ll be hard finding someone who is passionate, driven, has a winning mentality and also entirely squeaky clean, I’d have thought.

[Elbarad]

I really do try to give our ownership group as much credit as possible. They have a plan, and they seem to stick to it and they're willing to spend money on the squad. They don't get everything right, but who does?

But unless our next manager is currently managing in the Euro's or Copa America, even I am starting to wonder at how long this is taking.

[FCBurnley]

Don’t know about everyone else but I am getting dispirited about the whole process. For me it is taking way too long and the current list of possible managers is totally underwhelming. My big hope is that Pace surprised us with VK and could still pull another rabbit out of the hat. But I am not confident

[Holtyclaret]

Why on earth would we appoint someone (who was due to be replaced), as manager?

Maybe the issues were with vk, the apparent reason cb was due to leave but then vk obviously left.

Not that I think cb will be our new head coach.

[HahaYeah]

One has no managerial experience whatsoever, the other has twice won promotion to the Premier League.

Fair enough he did get those promotions but didn't do anything further with either club and got sacked from both. Then got sacked from his last job at Brugge after only 12 games!

OK, Bellamy has no senior management experience but was part of a management team that absolutely mullered the Championship last time out. For this reason I would go with Bellamy out of the two.

[123EasyasBFC]

The issue with going down the ‘head coach’ route is who’s making incoming signings, we can’t have someone making signings with no manager in place

[Wokingclaret]

Fair enough he did get those promotions but didn't do anything further with either club and got sacked from both. Then got sacked from his last job at Brugge after only 12 games!

OK, Bellamy has no senior management experience but was part of a management team that absolutely mullered the Championship last time out. For this reason I would go with Bellamy out of the two.

No proof he can do on his own, Parker has and will be 3rd time lucky in the prem, if he gets us there.

[Wokingclaret]

But answer really would be neither

[KRBFC]

I'm amazed anyone would go near Bellamy for the managers position.

Someone who had to leave his last club due to bullying issues and tried to break a teammates leg with a golf club when a player.

He's the only candidate I would struggle to support.

So you keep saying, he seems like a changed man from the once fiery player 20 years ago.

Not like you supported Kompany either

[Mattster]

I wouldn’t say Parker’s style is anything like Southgate

It is exactly the same. Pass sideways and backwards, static players, low pressing, possession for the sake of possession and if take a lead 1 goal lead, sit on it.

Ask any Fulham or Bournemouth fan.

[ClaretTony]

Fair enough he did get those promotions but didn't do anything further with either club and got sacked from both. Then got sacked from his last job at Brugge after only 12 games!

OK, Bellamy has no senior management experience but was part of a management team that absolutely mullered the Championship last time out. For this reason I would go with Bellamy out of the two.

I’m not suggesting I’d want Parker but I’d have him way ahead of someone with no managerial experience

[Rick_Muller]

It is exactly the same. Pass sideways and backwards, static players, low pressing, possession for the sake of possession and if take a lead 1 goal lead, sit on it.

Ask any Fulham or Bournemouth fan.

Technically not too dissimilar to what VK had us doing last season and the season before, I would hope (if it is Parker) that he has a more pragmatic approach to when it needs changing

[NewClaret]

Incredible statements. Don't know which one to start with but the thought and image of 'reevaluate' after a poor start is haunting me and won't go away.

Incredible to you maybe, some others agree. All about opinions.

So I forget Kompany’s exact stats after 10 games but I recall not too many wins, couple of losses and lots of draws. He then went on to win the championship with 101 points. My point being that giving Bellamy 10 games and seeing where we are isn’t necessarily catastrophic to the season and possibly the right thing to do from a continuity perspective.

[RVclaret]

Technically not too dissimilar to what VK had us doing last season and the season before, I would hope (if it is Parker) that he has a more pragmatic approach to when it needs changing

VK’s Champ team was generally high pressing, exciting wingers beating their man and never sitting on a lead. So nothing like described before.

[123EasyasBFC]

It is exactly the same. Pass sideways and backwards, static players, low pressing, possession for the sake of possession and if take a lead 1 goal lead, sit on it.

Ask any Fulham or Bournemouth fan.

Bit like kompany and bellamys style then to

[Steddyman]

Fair enough he did get those promotions but didn't do anything further with either club and got sacked from both. Then got sacked from his last job at Brugge after only 12 games!

OK, Bellamy has no senior management experience but was part of a management team that absolutely mullered the Championship last time out. For this reason I would go with Bellamy out of the two.

So was the kit man

[Steddyman]

Fair enough he did get those promotions but didn't do anything further with either club and got sacked from both. Then got sacked from his last job at Brugge after only 12 games!

He did a lot better in the Prem with his two teams than VK did, with less investment.

[boyyanno]

So you keep saying, he seems like a changed man from the once fiery player 20 years ago.

Not like you supported Kompany either

Here we go.

I'll post this once because you're becoming incredibly tiresome. I did support Kompany, most fans did.

I was also critical when things failed last year. I was in the minority, I except that. But in hindsight I, and some of the others who were critical (but not "negative"), were also bang on the money. The things I was critical about included player turnover, player selections and tactics that did not work for us at a higher level against better opposition. Out of interest my bigger frustrations have been with the direction the club is heading in as opposed to who the manager is.

I'm quite happy with my position though thanks, if you're happy with the whole we will be fine and stay up we just need to get these first games our the way/ it's not reflective of our season etc then fine- but you'd think it might have hit you in the face by now that the criticism was fair and you were wrong. I'm not saying everyone's criticisms have been fair- but mine certainly have. I try and outline every point why I think the way I do.

If you want to be a baby and just go wahhh you never supported Kompany then feel free. But it's obviously an attempt to try and smere what I'm saying. I did support Kompany, I support every manager of BFC whilst I am confident they are the best person for the role.

Kompany was for us in the Championship. But wasn't for us in the PL. Bellamy just isn't fit for us at all in my opinion and I've been very fair in explaining why.

[Mattster]

Technically not too dissimilar to what VK had us doing last season and the season before, I would hope (if it is Parker) that he has a more pragmatic approach to when it needs changing

Are you genuinely likening the football under VK in the Championship to what Southgate/Parker dish up?

[bumba]

So you keep saying, he seems like a changed man from the once fiery player 20 years ago.

Not like you supported Kompany either

Are you still going on about Kompany??

LET

HIM

GO

[Mattster]

He did a lot better in the Prem with his two teams than VK did, with less investment.

I must have missed the 9-0 defeat we suffered last season.

And he got a grand sum of 4 more points than we did last season with a Fulham squad that included the likes of Anguissa, Lemina, Lookman, Andersen, Mitrovic and Loftus-Cheek.

[HahaYeah]

He did a lot better in the Prem with his two teams than VK did, with less investment.

Parker got sacked from both clubs and VK had his own agenda while we were in the Prem. He was doing what was best for him not us.

[Steddyman]

I must have missed the 9-0 defeat we suffered last season.

And he got a grand sum of 4 more points than we did last season with a Fulham squad that included the likes of Anguissa, Lemina, Lookman, Andersen, Mitrovic and Loftus-Cheek.

So 4 more points then, better than us.