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Post by Guller Bull » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:05 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
Nixon reporting the fee for O’Shea is £18m.

Also says Parker wants Travers if Trafford leaves.

Tbh it’s bonkers to be considering selling Trafford at this stage, with £100m of sales already booked.
Agreed - pretty much got to the point where the money in is irrelevant now. Trafford/Amdouni/Wout etc will just be fluff money to the majority of the fan base. Far more important now what we do the other way this week. Would prefer Hladkey to be playing personally, Trafford just makes me nervous so if he needs to move on then that's not a biggie for me.
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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:05 am

Commy wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 1:45 am
If all these players want out, why did we sell Twine who wanted to stay?
Because Alan was able to get a fee for him.

It’s like asking, they sold the artwork why did they sell the dining table?

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Post by superdimitri » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:06 am

The club isn't in a position to control when we sell players. We have to wait and hope that when the bids come in they are not too late on for us to sign replacements.

That's not at all unusual for clubs much bigger than ours. If Real Madrid decide they want to sign someone like Emi Martinez from Aston Villa do you think the situation would be different?

The fact this is happening sooner rather than deadline day is good. The club will have done their homework on potential replacements so it's just a matter of getting those deals over the line.

Let's not forget it wasn't that long ago that each year we'd pretty much have to resort to selling our best player on deadline day with no option for a replacement.

It will mean we will probably take a while to gel so I'm looking at it as more of a two year project than one.

The game vs Sunderland isn't going to be the norm. We're just in that awkward gap of shipping out players that aren't good enough and also losing our best players at the same time. Once we get some decent signings over the line we'll be ok.

And with some real luck hopefully it gives a chance for some of our youth players to get a chance too!
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Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:10 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
Nixon reporting the fee for O’Shea is £18m.

Also says Parker wants Travers if Trafford leaves.

Tbh it’s bonkers to be considering selling Trafford at this stage, with £100m of sales already booked.
Goalkeeper and defence are the least of our worries right now….

Our priorities are at the other end of the pitch.
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:15 am

Traff should have gone at the start of the window and we have a very adequate replacement already.If we are raiding Bournemouth Brookes and Billing are more needed targets

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Post by agreenwood » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:15 am

The club should not be entraining offers for anyone in the starting XI yesterday.

At what point does someone say enough is enough? Surely we’re long past the point of needing the money and selling more players we thought we were keeping just makes the task next week that much harder.

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Post by wadeswondergoal » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:18 am

agreenwood wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:15 am
The club should not be entraining offers for anyone in the starting XI yesterday.

At what point does someone say enough is enough? Surely we’re long past the point of needing the money and selling more players we thought we were keeping just makes the task next week that much harder.
Doesn’t look like they are capable of saying enough is enough. As soon as they see pound signs, it’s game on for them.

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Post by superdimitri » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:18 am

It's been already mentioned but you can't keep players that want to leave anyway. We're raising some funds and should spend it on incomings.
Try not to worry so much and wait until the windows over.
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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:19 am

With a lot of last summers signings being shipped out or looking to be shipped if not injured, you’ve got to wonder if none contained clauses to have their wages reduced on relegation.

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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:22 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:18 am
It's been already mentioned but you can't keep players that want to leave anyway. We're raising some funds and should spend it on incomings.
Try not to worry so much and wait until the windows over.
Was that the impression that you got from the first 2 games that all of the players wanted out?

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Post by Burnley87 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:28 am

I think the character of the players shown in this transfer will down gives a real indication as to why we went down with a wimper. When the going gets tough they are off.

Brilliant recruitment in terms of making money, poor recruitment in terms of creating stability to give you the best chance of promotion

I find it hilarious how Alan Pace questioned the fans last season and the atmosphere. How can you build any connection with a club that brings in 12 players every year and the team in completely different.

Personally I think Alan pace has a plan and his best interests are there. However the level of turnover at the club damages it
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Post by Hipper » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:28 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
The "squad" had to go, it was way too big

The club has faced far worse positions over the years

What I have never witnessed before, is the absolute over reaction of supporters after one defeat.
We knew even after wins against Luton and Cardiff that we would still need to sell players, at present we have sold 2 of the team that started against Luton, one of whom has been replaced.

Some of the rumours will come true this next week, some won't. We will bring players in

If, come next Friday we've sold every player, and brought nobody in, then that is the time to panic, until then, relax and look forward to a win on saturday
The reaction is not really to the defeat but to the line-up and bench for the game and what that might say about even more players departing and therefore the teams ability to get promotion, let alone compete in this division. It's all very disappointing after the results, and to some extent the performances, of the first two games.

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Post by ervi34 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:31 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:01 am
The "squad" had to go, it was way too big

The club has faced far worse positions over the years

What I have never witnessed before, is the absolute over reaction of supporters after one defeat.
We knew even after wins against Luton and Cardiff that we would still need to sell players, at present we have sold 2 of the team that started against Luton, one of whom has been replaced.

Some of the rumours will come true this next week, some won't. We will bring players in

If, come next Friday we've sold every player, and brought nobody in, then that is the time to panic, until then, relax and look forward to a win on saturday
I don't think anyone cares about the defeat. This division is tough and they will happen. However, before the game, a lot of fans have pointed out that we've had a really tough weak. They were called "bedwetters" and that you shouldn't worry because we scored 5 goals against Cardiff. Turns out that selling half the squad will have effect on your performances on the pitch.

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Post by Hipper » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:32 am

benbfc wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:58 pm
Played football with one of JBs best buddies today.. 3/4 Turkish clubs in for him.. wolves as well… be interesting to see if he is still a Burnley player in 10 days…
Whilst Brownhill should be an asset at this level he is in the last year of his contract and may not re-sign. In addition it may be that he is one of the highest payed players at the club.

If all that is true it can be seen from a financial perspective that it would make sense to sell him now.

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Post by ervi34 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:36 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:18 am
It's been already mentioned but you can't keep players that want to leave anyway. We're raising some funds and should spend it on incomings.
Try not to worry so much and wait until the windows over.
If that's true (which I don't completely agree with), I have to ask - why are we the only relegated club having problems with that? SUFC still have Hamer, Souza, Arblaster, Ahmedhodzic. Luton have their strikers, Kaminski, Doughty. Two years ago, Watford managed to keep Saar and Joao Pedro. Norwich did the same with Pukki twice, they even refused to sell Bundia after first relegation.

Some outgoings are expected, but no one will convince me we have to get rid od 10+ players after going down.Of course most players want to play in PL - but they are contracted to Burnley and they know that. I think selling is more down to our stupid model, which means sell everyone for profit if possible.

With so many outgoing, why did we get rid of fringiest of the fringe like Twine, Bastien, Obafemi, Chrulinov? They are probably not good enough, but I'd argue all four make the bench yesterday and probably come onto the pitch at one point.
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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:36 am

Not too difficult to envisage a situation where Alan and his cohorts are scrambling around in January trying to rescue a situation they created in the Summer.

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Post by Shaggy » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:37 am

Hipper wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:32 am
Whilst Brownhill should be an asset at this level he is in the last year of his contract and may not re-sign. In addition it may be that he is one of the highest payed players at the club.

If all that is true it can be seen from a financial perspective that it would make sense to sell him now.
Last
Year of contract and won’t re-sign = get rid I’m my book.

Hannibal is a better player than Brownhill anyway.

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Post by JohnMcGreal » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:40 am

Hipper wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:32 am
Whilst Brownhill should be an asset at this level he is in the last year of his contract and may not re-sign. In addition it may be that he is one of the highest payed players at the club.

If all that is true it can be seen from a financial perspective that it would make sense to sell him now.
This is how clubs that are in administration operate. The liquidators are called in and they sell anything of value in an attempt to recover as many losses as possible. The football side of the operation is irrelevant.

As far as I'm aware we're not in administration, therefore the owners have a responsibility to consider what's going on on the pitch and not just on the balance sheet.

Football wise we're simply not in a position to lose either Brownhill or Cullen at this stage. Any offers for them should be rebuffed.
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Post by ervi34 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:41 am

Shaggy wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:37 am
Last
Year of contract and won’t re-sign = get rid I’m my book.

Hannibal is a better player than Brownhill anyway.
Hannibal is not a better player than Brownhill. Not even sure what arguments you have for that. Also, we probably need Hannibal regardless of Brownhill's situation. We have three central midfielders at club - need at least one more, two if there will be more outgoings.

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Post by agreenwood » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:45 am

Turkish transfer deadline doesn’t shut until 13 Sept, so let’s hope that if Brownhill isn’t sold and replaced before Fridays, ALK doesn’t get any crazy ideas the week after next.

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Post by morninbob » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:46 am

We could end the window with all 7 goalscorers leaving, massive 6 days coming up.
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Post by Row x » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am

ervi34 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:31 am
I don't think anyone cares about the defeat. This division is tough and they will happen. However, before the game, a lot of fans have pointed out that we've had a really tough weak. They were called "bedwetters" and that you shouldn't worry because we scored 5 goals against Cardiff. Turns out that selling half the squad will have effect on your performances on the pitch.
If it's not about the defeat, why were all the posts about losing the team, going out of business, relegation, asset stripping etc etc after a defeat, and not after the 2 wins?

With the number of players in the squad I think everyone knew we would have to get rid of a large number of players, some of those would be the better players, because surprise surprise, those are the players other clubs want, anyone who only realised this at 4.50pm yesterday was deluded

It's all down to who we sign as replacements, so as I keep saying, let's wait till next Friday before wanting the owners hung drawn and quartered in Burnley town centre
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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am

Shaggy wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:37 am
Last
Year of contract and won’t re-sign = get rid I’m my book.

Hannibal is a better player than Brownhill anyway.
Hannibal has shown that he is a Championship level player at best by having a decent season at Birmingham. When asked to play at a higher level at Manchester United or Sevilla he has been a complete flop. When on loan at Sevilla just 1 start and a handful of sub appearances.
If Hannibal is the quality signing posters are hanging their hats on heaven help us.

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:50 am

I gave Lee Mooney abit of credit for the way he came across in the documentary but this is a big test of him now, how many signings can he find us without the kompany pull because right now it seems like everyone that has been signed didn’t want to fight for Burnley and are jumping ship now kompany has left.

More signings of the worrall mould are needed, who understand English football and what playing for a working class club means.

2 or 3 players using data is all well and good but not a full squad

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Post by RicardoMontalban » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:50 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am
Hannibal has shown that he is a Championship level player at best by having a decent season at Birmingham. When asked to play at a higher level at Manchester United or Sevilla he has been a complete flop. When on loan at Sevilla just 1 start and a handful of sub appearances.
If Hannibal is the quality signing posters are hanging their hats on heaven help us.
Hannibal is 21, plenty of scope to improve. Brownhill is 28, probably at or approaching his peak.

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Post by taio » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:51 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am
If it's not about the defeat, why were all the posts about losing the team, going out of business, relegation, asset stripping etc etc after a defeat, and not after the 2 wins?

With the number of players in the squad I think everyone knew we would have to get rid of a large number of players, some of those would be the better players, because surprise surprise, those are the players other clubs want, anyone who only realised this at 4.50pm yesterday was deluded

It's all down to who we sign as replacements, so as I keep saying, let's wait till next Friday before wanting the owners hung drawn and quartered in Burnley town centre
Because we've got rid of more players since we won those two. There was plenty of criticism before yesterday's defeat. Yesterday's squad and the bench in particular was shocking.

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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:52 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am
If it's not about the defeat, why were all the posts about losing the team, going out of business, relegation, asset stripping etc etc after a defeat, and not after the 2 wins?

With the number of players in the squad I think everyone knew we would have to get rid of a large number of players, some of those would be the better players, because surprise surprise, those are the players other clubs want, anyone who only realised this at 4.50pm yesterday was deluded

It's all down to who we sign as replacements, so as I keep saying, let's wait till next Friday before wanting the owners hung drawn and quartered in Burnley town centre
I suggest that you simply check yesterday’s match day thread and many of the posts (before the match had even kicked off) were expressing disappointment and anger at the level of the player sales and weakness of the team and bench.
Nothing to do with losing to Sunderland which was widely expected given the team sent out.
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Post by ervi34 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:53 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am
If it's not about the defeat, why were all the posts about losing the team, going out of business, relegation, asset stripping etc etc after a defeat, and not after the 2 wins?

With the number of players in the squad I think everyone knew we would have to get rid of a large number of players, some of those would be the better players, because surprise surprise, those are the players other clubs want, anyone who only realised this at 4.50pm yesterday was deluded

It's all down to who we sign as replacements, so as I keep saying, let's wait till next Friday before wanting the owners hung drawn and quartered in Burnley town centre
The defeat was probably a tipping point. I agree that shouts about asset stripping and going out of business are too much (I personally didn't write that), but I feel like a lot of optimism has vanished in a short period of time.

We all knew we'd have to get rid of players. But I don't think anyone thought we'd sell everyone as soon as the first bid arrives. When I looked at our lineup against Luton, I thought - OK, at the moment we have Odobert and Koleosho on the pitch. They might leave in the next few weeks, but hey, we still have Benson, Zaroury and JBG (who will come back from a knock), maybe even a signing or two still to come. Two weeks later - three players gone, one very likely to go, one could also be on his way out.

As you say, we'll certainly know a lot more things by next Friday. Let's see if Pace has some rabbits to pull out of hat.
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Post by superdimitri » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:53 am

These are professional players. They are capable of playing well despite knowing they are leaving. Not everyone's the same but we just can't keep players against their will. That will effect how they play.
We have a massive squad and we need to get rid of players. Naturally we will have suitors for some more than others.
Some have been shipped out because they aren't considered good enough.

The club does not 'own' these players. They have free will and have agencies looking out for their careers and pay.

Other relegated clubs now or in the past may have kept more of their better players because they didn't sign players with the same ambition of ours. They may also have not spent as much money signing those players to begin with. Lastly they may not have planned to replace them.

Let's see at the end of the window. I'm sure we'll bring some good names in. I have faith in Matt Williams to get the deals done.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:55 am

Commy wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 1:45 am
If all these players want out, why did we sell Twine who wanted to stay?
Maybe they were on the list that the (now ex) academy director accidently sent out to the wrong WhatsApp group last week ;)

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Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:57 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:55 am
Maybe they were on the list that the (now ex) academy director accidently sent out to the wrong WhatsApp group last week ;)
You going to elaborate?

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Post by agreenwood » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:58 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:55 am
Maybe they were on the list that the (now ex) academy director accidently sent out to the wrong WhatsApp group last week ;)
David Longwell has been sacked?

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Post by Row x » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:58 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:47 am
Hannibal has shown that he is a Championship level player at best by having a decent season at Birmingham. When asked to play at a higher level at Manchester United or Sevilla he has been a complete flop. When on loan at Sevilla just 1 start and a handful of sub appearances.
If Hannibal is the quality signing posters are hanging their hats on heaven help us.
A decent championship player is what we need, do you think we are going to sign premier league quality players? We struggled to do that for years when we were in the premier league, it definitely isn't going to change now

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Post by Stonehouse » Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:58 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:52 am
I suggest that you simply check yesterday’s match day thread and many of the posts (before the match had even kicked off) were expressing disappointment and anger at the level of the player sales and weakness of the team and bench.
Nothing to do with losing to Sunderland which was widely expected given the team sent out.
If any future signings saw yesterday’s inept performance they would run a mile which is probable more than the shower who turned out in claret and blue yesterday.

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Post by Paddy1882 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:00 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:55 am
Maybe they were on the list that the (now ex) academy director accidently sent out to the wrong WhatsApp group last week ;)
He’s never sent the list of players they were looking to move on to the players WhatsApp group has he and that’s why it’s caused anger in the ranks??

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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:02 am

ervi34 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:53 am
The defeat was probably a tipping point. I agree that shouts about asset stripping and going out of business are too much (I personally didn't write that), but I feel like a lot of optimism has vanished in a short period of time.

We all knew we'd have to get rid of players. But I don't think anyone thought we'd sell everyone as soon as the first bid arrives. When I looked at our lineup against Luton, I thought - OK, at the moment we have Odobert and Koleosho on the pitch. They might leave in the next few weeks, but hey, we still have Benson, Zaroury and JBG (who will come back from a knock), maybe even a signing or two still to come. Two weeks later - three players gone, one very likely to go, one could also be on his way out.

As you say, we'll certainly know a lot more things by next Friday. Let's see if Pace has some rabbits to pull out of hat.
If Alan pulled some rabbits out of a hat he would be straight on the phone to the local butcher asking him to quote a price.
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Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:02 am

ervi34 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:53 am
The defeat was probably a tipping point. I agree that shouts about asset stripping and going out of business are too much (I personally didn't write that), but I feel like a lot of optimism has vanished in a short period of time.

We all knew we'd have to get rid of players. But I don't think anyone thought we'd sell everyone as soon as the first bid arrives. When I looked at our lineup against Luton, I thought - OK, at the moment we have Odobert and Koleosho on the pitch. They might leave in the next few weeks, but hey, we still have Benson, Zaroury and JBG (who will come back from a knock), maybe even a signing or two still to come. Two weeks later - three players gone, one very likely to go, one could also be on his way out.

As you say, we'll certainly know a lot more things by next Friday. Let's see if Pace has some rabbits to pull out of hat.
Spot on for me.

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Post by taio » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am

Row x wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:58 am
A decent championship player is what we need, do you think we are going to sign premier league quality players? We struggled to do that for years when we were in the premier league, it definitely isn't going to change now
We signed players who were better than a decent Championship player the last time we were in this league.

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Post by jedi_master » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am

I think the strange leveraged buyout lovers that permeate this board don’t quite seem to understand that even if we had won 0-3 at Sunderland yesterday with that scratch squad, the board would be full of the exact same hysteria about the direction of travel for the club.

This isn’t concern about Parker or the performance at the Stadium of Light, it’s red alarm bells ringing about the state of our finances and what on Earth the strategy is. What we saw yesterday was just a by-product of what has been and is being done by Alan Pace over the last 7 days and going forward towards the transfer window closing. To rake so much in and then still be actively working to get Benson, Trafford, Koleosho, Amdouni, Weghorst, McNally and now, possibly, Brownhill out of the club is honestly absolutely insane. He's already brought in around £100m:

Kompany - £13m
Berge - £20m rising to £25m
Twine - £3.5m
Gudmundsson - £1.5m
Muric - £10m rising to 15m
O’Shea - £13m rising to 15m
Odobert - £31.5m
Zaroury - £8m
Obafemi, Peacock-Farrell, Bastien, Churlinov and a few others shipped out for small fees/loans. Additionally the loss of large salary players like Charlie Taylor and Jack Cork who were at the very top end of our wage bill.

That’s around £112.5m at the top end before thinking about how it’s sliced the wage bill - and it’s STILL not enough. Think about that.
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Re: Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:55 am
Maybe they were on the list that the (now ex) academy director accidently sent out to the wrong WhatsApp group last week ;)
I was told last Tuesday that he had sent a message out to the wrong people moaning about the first team players but maybe it was moaning about who was being sold
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am

Paddy1882 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:00 am
He’s never sent the list of players they were looking to move on to the players WhatsApp group has he and that’s why it’s caused anger in the ranks??
Allegedly put a list in the U21 WhatsApp group by mistake that looks to have been prepared for an agent, just detailing his opinion on each first team player, obviously wouldn't go down well.

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Post by Blyclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:07 am

This time next year we won’t have to worry about teams bidding for Houdini ..silver lining

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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:07 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 10:46 pm
Think we need a midfielder, x 2 wingers and a striker who can score goals in the next few days.
I don't want to see Jay Rod ever start a game again.
Yup and when we say a midfielder, striker and 2 wingers, we mean actual adequate replacements for those who have left not cheap shite. Reinvest some cash mr Pace.

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Post by taio » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:08 am

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am
I think the strange leveraged buyout lovers that permeate this board don’t quite seem to understand that even if we had won 0-3 at Sunderland yesterday with that scratch squad, the board would be full of the exact same hysteria about the direction of travel for the club.

This isn’t concern about Parker or the performance at the Stadium of Light, it’s red alarm bells ringing about the state of our finances and what on Earth the strategy is. What we saw yesterday was just a by-product of what has been and is being done by Alan Pace over the last 7 days and going forward towards the transfer window closing. To rake so much in and then still be actively working to get Benson, Trafford, Koleosho, Amdouni, Weghorst, McNally and now, possibly, Brownhill out of the club is honestly absolutely insane. He's already brought in around £100m:

Kompany - £13m
Berge - £20m rising to £25m
Twine - £3.5m
Gudmundsson - £1.5m
Muric - £10m rising to 15m
O’Shea - £13m rising to 15m
Odobert - £31.5m
Zaroury - £8m
Obafemi, Peacock-Farrell, Bastien, Churlinov and a few others shipped out for small fees/loans. Additionally the loss of large salary players like Charlie Taylor and Jack Cork who were at the very top end of our wage bill.

That’s around £112.5m at the top end before thinking about how it’s sliced the wage bill - and it’s STILL not enough. Think about that.
Nailed it. It's not about the manager or the players who played yesterday. Remarkable how some people can't see the reason for the criticism, which was apparent before kick-off yesterday.

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Post by superdimitri » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:10 am

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am
I think the strange leveraged buyout lovers that permeate this board don’t quite seem to understand that even if we had won 0-3 at Sunderland yesterday with that scratch squad, the board would be full of the exact same hysteria about the direction of travel for the club.

This isn’t concern about Parker or the performance at the Stadium of Light, it’s red alarm bells ringing about the state of our finances and what on Earth the strategy is. What we saw yesterday was just a by-product of what has been and is being done by Alan Pace over the last 7 days and going forward towards the transfer window closing. To rake so much in and then still be actively working to get Benson, Trafford, Koleosho, Amdouni, Weghorst, McNally and now, possibly, Brownhill out of the club is honestly absolutely insane. He's already brought in around £100m:

Kompany - £13m
Berge - £20m rising to £25m
Twine - £3.5m
Gudmundsson - £1.5m
Muric - £10m rising to 15m
O’Shea - £13m rising to 15m
Odobert - £31.5m
Zaroury - £8m
Obafemi, Peacock-Farrell, Bastien, Churlinov and a few others shipped out for small fees/loans. Additionally the loss of large salary players like Charlie Taylor and Jack Cork who were at the very top end of our wage bill.

That’s around £112.5m at the top end before thinking about how it’s sliced the wage bill - and it’s STILL not enough. Think about that.
I understand your point but your forgetting key factors. First, if a player wants to leave you can't keep him. Second, the transfer window hasn't closed yet and we're still likely to make signings. If you want to bring new players in you have to sell your existing players.
Some of the players sold would have wanted to go.
Some are not good enough.
Some may be sold to bring in others.

It's not just a simple case of holding on to specific players. There's a lot not detail to it than that. Let's see at the end of the window.
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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:11 am

Lord_Bob wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:24 pm
So still to leave next week:

O'Shea - certain
Benson - pretty much nailed on
McNally - probably
Trafford - maybe
Brownhill - maybe
Koleosho - maybe
Cullen - doubtful

Hopefully some decent incomings to replace that lot.
You forgot Weghorst, Amdouni, Al Dakhil and Vitinho
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Post by Paddy1882 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:11 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:04 am
Allegedly put a list in the U21 WhatsApp group by mistake that looks to have been prepared for an agent, just detailing his opinion on each first team player, obviously wouldn't go down well.
Jesus, like something out of Dream Team.

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Post by CoolClaret » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:16 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:06 am
The club isn't in a position to control when we sell players. We have to wait and hope that when the bids come in they are not too late on for us to sign replacements.

That's not at all unusual for clubs much bigger than ours. If Real Madrid decide they want to sign someone like Emi Martinez from Aston Villa do you think the situation would be different?

The fact this is happening sooner rather than deadline day is good. The club will have done their homework on potential replacements so it's just a matter of getting those deals over the line.

Let's not forget it wasn't that long ago that each year we'd pretty much have to resort to selling our best player on deadline day with no option for a replacement.

It will mean we will probably take a while to gel so I'm looking at it as more of a two year project than one.

The game vs Sunderland isn't going to be the norm. We're just in that awkward gap of shipping out players that aren't good enough and also losing our best players at the same time. Once we get some decent signings over the line we'll be ok.

And with some real luck hopefully it gives a chance for some of our youth players to get a chance too!
Christ almighty.

So we've gone from romping being a 7 year PL team, to romping the Championship to now being a 2 year project in the Championship and finding it acceptable to field the side that we did yesterday?

Sorry, but all that is quite frankly b0llocks.

In football, teams have a limited window to achieve success and they should do everything in their power to make it happen. We're in ours right now and dismantling the side like this season upon season is only going to end one way and it ain't consecutive seasons in the Premier League.
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Post by KRBFC » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:16 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:48 pm
if that fee structure is correct then it's even worse than I previously thought
So we paid £8m and sold for £12m, probably require Ipswich to stay up to receive the added £3m (which is highly unlikely)

Once you factor in wages and other fees, we’ve probably broke even on O’Shea. Awful business.

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Post by ab1882 » Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:17 am

If/when O'Shea, Weghorst & Benson leave our squad size will be 24, meaning we can register 1 more player born on or after Jan 1 2023, or register 1 loan player. Maybe there's some more wiggle room with some of our long term injuries.

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