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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by agreenwood » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:04 pm

Win Friday and at worst the gap will be back to 4 points this time next week. It may even by as small as 2 points.

Fear not doom-mongers. Long way to go yet.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:05 pm

5 mins added DL score in 7 mins of added time
Sunderland were robbed

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:05 pm

Maybe Sunderland should have been more cautious so deep into stoppage time and made sure of the draw.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:06 pm

me01jh wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:04 pm
Leeds play how we should. They commit far more bodies forwards and really pin teams in. They deserved that result and will comfortably be Champions IMO.
Completely agree. It’s been so frustrating to see us commit so little going forward when teams have been there for the taking.
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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by beddie » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:06 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:01 pm
Two poor quality teams
I assume this is a joke?

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by dougcollins » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm

This gives clarity now.

Let Leeds continue to win, we just have one target - to overhaul Sheff Utd.

Sunderland won't get past us.
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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:59 pm
Always going to happen.

They go for it to try and win games. Look at the subs they made and the change in tactics
Can just imagine how the turf would react if Parker put on a defensive midfielder and a centre half when chasing the win. Ffs, some of you are so reactionary it’s untrue.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by DCWat » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm

Take a defensive midfielder off and bring on a more attack minded one, what are these mad tactics.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm

Given its almost certain that Leeds will win the league and Burnley will finish in the play offs who would you rather come second and avoid? Sunderland have had our number this season and when on song play the best football whereas Sheff Utd are probably a bit stronger overall.

I think Burnley would really struggle against Sunderland at Wembley so would prefer them to finish second

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:00 pm
2 set pieces. Sheff Utd won with 1 on Sat. Just shows how crucial they are.
Incredible that we are still so bad at them after two seasons!

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Claretincraven » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm

At the death they won it with a shot so far off target, and so badly hit, it wouldn’t have even gone out for a throw in. And then the keeper made a complete Horlick on the cross. And a bunch of lemons say that’s a lesson to us in how we should be playing. Give your heads a serious wobble. DL got lucky, very lucky.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by dougcollins » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm
Take a defensive midfielder off and bring on a more attack minded one, what are these mad tactics.
It'll never catch on.

Not at TM, in any case.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by DCWat » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm
Can just imagine how the turf would react if Parker put on a defensive midfielder and a centre half when chasing the win. Ffs, some of you are so reactionary it’s untrue.
The change my mate was crying out for - Rothwell far more forward thinking than Gruev.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Tufty » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm

Sunderland didn't really deserve anything from that. They played the 2nd half living on hope. Leeds the best team in the Championship. 2nd spot is up for grabs.
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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by chekhov » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

Newchurch Claret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:03 pm
And there you have it. A team that tries to win. Wants to score. Wants to play attractive, attacking football. Fair play to Leeds.

All those 0-0 results and the clean sheet record mean nothing.

This could so easily have been Burnley with this talented squad but we chose Parker and, under his stewardship, they are underperforming massively. It’s a crying shame.
With respect I think this is a bit of nonsense. Who knows where we would have been with a different manager. As it is, we are in a fantastic position.
We’ve still got Sheffield United at home and effectively we go up if we win our games at the expense of them.
In my opinion, Parker has done a fantastic job up to this point. For sure we’d all love to have a few more goals and some more attacking football, but really we are in a pretty good spot as we are.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

I can never want Leeds to win, but the truth is they do look a better side than us and whilst it’s not as impossible as some are suggesting, think it’s very unlikely we will catch them. So we’ve effectively gone 4 points clear of Sunderland this weekend considering goal difference. We should be favourites to finish above them. Sheff Utd will be difficult to hunt down, but they have Leeds up next and still have to come to Turf Moor for what could be a defining game for both teams.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by bobinho » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

They absolutely refuse to accept defeat. Result was never in doubt for me… even at 0-1 I knew they’d throw it all forward. They believe in themselves and back themselves. If it ain’t working, they make changes and make it work for them. They have a never say die attitude. I feckin hate it.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by RickyBobby » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

That is why Leeds will go up automatically and we won’t.
Creating chances right until the very end and putting them away.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Goliath » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:00 pm
This aged well.
It doesn't change my opinion. Leeds did them at set pieces.
Sunderland have frailties at the back but they have an excellent side.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by agreenwood » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

Leeds were 1-0 down. Course they were going to bring on attacking subs to get back into the game. They get their second from shanked cross following a corner where they still had loads of bodies in the box.

I don’t doubt that Farke has a less cautious approach than Parker (although not all Leeds fans agree and find his football dull), but tonight was hardly evidence of some sort of polar opposite approach to playing football.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Goliath » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm

RickyBobby wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm
That is why Leeds will go up automatically and we won’t.
Creating chances right until the very end and putting them away.
Or because we can't score a set piece and they've just scored 2 in about 20 mins to turn the game around.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:10 pm

Goliath wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm
It doesn't change my opinion. Leeds did them at set pieces.
Sunderland have frailties at the back but they have an excellent side.
It's not what the league table suggests.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:10 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm
Can just imagine how the turf would react if Parker put on a defensive midfielder and a centre half when chasing the win. Ffs, some of you are so reactionary it’s untrue.
They went 1-1 at the 78 minute, the manager instantly brought on another striker and a winger to try and win the game.

He didn’t settle for the draw he went for it.

So please review your comments before positing

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Newchurch Claret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:12 pm

chekhov wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:09 pm
With respect I think this is a bit of nonsense. Who knows where we would have been with a different manager. As it is, we are in a fantastic position.
We’ve still got Sheffield United at home and effectively we go up if we win our games at the expense of them.
In my opinion, Parker has done a fantastic job up to this point. For sure we’d all love to have a few more goals and some more attacking football, but really we are in a pretty good spot as we are.
Is that you, Scott?

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by me01jh » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm

Leeds kept the ball so much better than Sunderland and it showed. Sunderland were spent with 25 minutes to go.

Leeds get their full backs so much higher up the pitch and use Tanarka as that central pivot. In contrast, I cannot remember Roberts getting into the final third on Saturday. In Cullen, we have technically the best footballer in the Championship... he doesn't need both full backs over each shoulder and Laurent in his pocket.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Murger » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm

People pointing to the Sheff Utd game at home, what is there to suggest Parker will set his team up any differently to when we played Leeds?

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm
The change my mate was crying out for - Rothwell far more forward thinking than Gruev.
Griev’s a crab, Rothwell is hardly an attacking midfielder. Like saying I’m fast compared to a tree. That double sub at the turf gets howls of derision for being negative.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by agreenwood » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm

We don’t really know how Parker would react to us being 1-0 down.

Hasn’t happened for a long, long time.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by RVclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:14 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:07 pm
Incredible that we are still so bad at them after two seasons!
I think part of it is having a big, bruising centre half who loves attacking them, like Struijk did tonight - have ER or Esteve won a header from our attacking set piece all season? They’ve done quite well at a few other bits, to be fair, so I’ll let them off.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by S0S-1971 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:14 pm

At least we know what to if we have to play Sunderland in the playoffs, just whip balls into the box at pace , they looked very shaky from those crosses ( Edwards could do this ) .

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:14 pm

Leeds beat blades and its back in our hands...suits me.
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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:15 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:05 pm
5 mins added DL score in 7 mins of added time
Sunderland were robbed
Ball hit the net 94:52.
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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:16 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm
We don’t really know how Parker would react to us being 1-0 down.

Hasn’t happened for a long, long time.
I remember we were 1-0 down at Hull. He brought a striker on in Hountondji, and we immediately equalised.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by agreenwood » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:16 pm

Murger wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm
People pointing to the Sheff Utd game at home, what is there to suggest Parker will set his team up any differently to when we played Leeds?
Blimey Murger. Don’t start being negative about a game that’s 2 months away.

Loads more imminent opportunities for you to Eeyore at.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:16 pm

Claretincraven wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm
At the death they won it with a shot so far off target, and so badly hit, it wouldn’t have even gone out for a throw in. And then the keeper made a complete Horlick on the cross. And a bunch of lemons say that’s a lesson to us in how we should be playing. Give your heads a serious wobble. DL got lucky, very lucky.
As I've said many times fortune favours the brave, they got lucky because they were trying for a winner. How many times this season have we played the last 10 mins as if we were happy with the point.
IF we fail to go up it won't be because we weren't good enough, but because we weren't brave enough.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:17 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:10 pm
They went 1-1 at the 78 minute, the manager instantly brought on another striker and a winger to try and win the game.

He didn’t settle for the draw he went for it.

So please review your comments before positing
Well he swapped a striker and a winger for them. His change at 1 nil down was to bring on a midfielder and a centre half. You saying that gets the ok from people on here? And at the game?

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by willsclarets » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:17 pm

Sheff United to lose their next 2 against leeds and QPR, us to win ours. Then we don't look back.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:17 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:15 pm
Ball hit the net 94:52.
Don't you just love it when people make stuff up? :lol:

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:17 pm

A win for DL, ably assisted by Sunlan constantly giving the ball away
very cheaply in the second half. It was like a hot potato.

Poor side tonight.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:05 pm
Maybe Sunderland should have been more cautious so deep into stoppage time and made sure of the draw.
Sunderland looked shot & tired maybe if that rigg stopped on it might have been different but he was on a yellow. Leeds just moved up a gear in the second half in the first half it was Sunderland's whatever farke said at half time it did the trick. That stryk fella always comes up with important goals i can remember the last min equaliser or winner (can't remember) last time they was in the PL against somebody when they was in the relegation battle.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by warksclaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:18 pm

For those saying why cant we attack teams like Leeds do, the forwards on their bench is stronger than those in our starting 11

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by ralph8 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:18 pm

We can say that we have been in this situation 14 times this season (14 Draws) and not had the tactics, bravery or craft to break down many pretty average championship teams.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:19 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:17 pm
Well he swapped a striker and a winger for them. His change at 1 nil down was to bring on a midfielder and a centre half. You saying that gets the ok from people on here? And at the game?
It’s not just about the subs though is it.

Leeds chucked everything at it we didn’t

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:19 pm

Murger wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm
People pointing to the Sheff Utd game at home, what is there to suggest Parker will set his team up any differently to when we played Leeds?
Nothing at all. It’s obviously a pivotal game though as it is in our hands to gain 3 points on them.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Goliath » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:20 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:13 pm
Griev’s a crab, Rothwell is hardly an attacking midfielder. Like saying I’m fast compared to a tree. That double sub at the turf gets howls of derision for being negative.
Are you related to Scott Parker by any chance, you've been talking some absolute nonsense on this board since the weekend.

I've been going for 20 years and I don't think heard 'howls of derision' at any of our own managers. Laws.was the closest but I only heard it completely turn away at Barnsley

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by JohnDearyMe » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:20 pm

beddie wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:06 pm
I assume this is a joke?
No. Neither were a patch on our Kompany team. Poor game for the neutral too with little goal mouth action

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Stonehouse » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:20 pm

Claretincraven wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm
At the death they won it with a shot so far off target, and so badly hit, it wouldn’t have even gone out for a throw in. And then the keeper made a complete Horlick on the cross. And a bunch of lemons say that’s a lesson to us in how we should be playing. Give your heads a serious wobble. DL got lucky, very lucky.
It’s funny the more they attack,the luckier they get ,I wonder if it would work for us.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:21 pm

ralph8 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:18 pm
We can say that we have been in this situation 14 times this season (14 Draws) and not had the tactics, bravery or craft to break down many pretty average championship teams.
Yep.
And those deficiencies will more than likely see us in the playoffs.

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by The Shire Claret » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:21 pm

We’re gonna win the league

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Re: Leeds v Sunderland

Post by Clive 1960 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:24 pm

before the season started i would have snapped your hands off for the play offs with what went on down at the Turf ..

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