Access for home fans

[clarets1978]

The club said the FAB reacted ‘positively’ to the changes. If this was not the case and they have been publicly misrepresented, any normal person would resign in protest.

So either they were happy/don’t care about the lack of consultation with the wider fan base or they value being ‘in the know’ more than the impact this may have on other fans.

Neither me or you know what opposition these changes were met with from the Fan Advisory Board so we cant make assumptions either way. The 2nd paragraph there is probably a little unfair without the facts really.

[Mickclaret]

Been past the Ormerod Yard walkway this morning and on the gate it still says home supporters on it. Can the club do anything wright.

[DCWat]

You are correct it is bang out of order. Some of them are female and therefore don’t have knobs to polish

Some of the ones with partners might.

[GetIntoEm]

You are correct it is bang out of order. Some of them are female and therefore don’t have knobs to polish

Who knows these days

[fidelcastro]

Details from this link shown below

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... ters-clubs

click on Fan Advisory Board, then on the Members section and it shows the text below.
===================================================================================

Here we’d like to introduce you the FAB Members.

The Fan Advisory Board currently consists of 22 members, all members represent under 18s, 18-24s, 25-34s, 35-44s, 45 -54s, 55-64s & 65-75s. Amongst the members, some of the members also represent gender, disability, ethnicity, religion or belief and sexual orientation.

Adnan Ahmed
Afrasiab Anwar
Andrew Taylor
Charlie Binns
Charlotte Rigby
Daniel Moorhouse
Paul Kidd
Emily Parkinson
Eve Gurman
Evelyn Clough
George Poole
Harry Devonport
Joshua Thompson
Julian Booth
Justine Bedford
Lee Robinson
Natalie Bromley
Natalie Newbitt

I'm familiar with a few of the names on there.
One of whom, I wouldn't trust to find his arse with both hands.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Neither me or you know what opposition these changes were met with from the Fan Advisory Board so we cant make assumptions either way. The 2nd paragraph there is probably a little unfair without the facts really.

Pace said (published on the website).

The positivity from the Fan Advisory Board was great to see and these changes are going to help to take the experience at Turf Moor to the next level

Perhaps it is just me, but if I was a FAB member and I did not react positively, I would definitely resign at that statement. I do think Pace is hiding behind them massively on this issue, but they are allowing that to happen by not resigning in protest.

If FAB members did raise concerns, were ignored and feel stitched up by Pace’s statement, then I can’t understand why would you continue being his human shield.

Fair enough if you think the second para is unfair and you’re right, we don’t have all the facts. The only publicly available facts we have (as far as I’m aware) is Pace’s statement and the ‘minutes’ of the meeting (if you can call them that).

[clarets1978]

Pace said (published on the website).

The positivity from the Fan Advisory Board was great to see and these changes are going to help to take the experience at Turf Moor to the next level

Perhaps it is just me, but if I was a FAB member and I did not react positively, I would definitely resign at that statement. I do think Pace is hiding behind them massively on this issue, but they are allowing that to happen by not resigning in protest.

If FAB members did raise concerns, were ignored and feel stitched up by Pace’s statement, then I can’t understand why would you continue being his human shield.

Fair enough if you think the second para is unfair and you’re right, we don’t have all the facts. The only publicly available facts we have (as far as I’m aware) is Pace’s statement and the ‘minutes’ of the meeting (if you can call them that).

My point entirely about minutes. They dont show any quotes from the fab so how can any of us on here make a judgement on what they think. There's no way everyone will have agreed on that. That's just human nature with different characters and opinions. It also doesnt mean they should just instantly resign either. I'd have thought it would be more beneficial to stay on there and continue to voice that disapproval rather than lose said voice on the board

[Bosscat]

Been past the Ormerod Yard walkway this morning and on the gate it still says home supporters on it. Can the club do anything wright.

Beggars belief doesn't it

[BleedingClaret]

Been past the Ormerod Yard walkway this morning and on the gate it still says home supporters on it. Can the club do anything wright.

maybe they'll put an NO in front of it

[dougcollins]

Been past the Ormerod Yard walkway this morning and on the gate it still says home supporters on it. Can the club do anything wright.

Good irony.

[Foreverly Claret]

so this has been an eventful read

One can only presume the lateness of this is to minimise advanced protests - though the club may say it was due to late approval from the SAG

I am intrigued that there has not been a proper trial of these new procedures

I wonder about the potential for additional issues that a substantial increase in fans going in opposite directions on Harry Potts way is going to create - given where home fans are now placed in the CFS just what kind of impact fans from there heading towards Brunshaw Rd (along with the Bob Lorder's already doing the same).

Separately, it would not be fair of the club to open new routes onto Holcombe Drive, with the likely substantial increase in footfall/noise etc without appropriate consultation with the residents, a number of whom have long running issues with the club as it is.

the only way to get this changed is for any accidents to be reported and where possible claims be made against the club, something that does not appear to have happened given the reports herein

I have other thoughts but will refrain for now

Interesting this. I previously posted about my wife's very serious accident some years ago after the evening kick off against Chelsea .She tripped over the offending kerb which is used to anchor the infamous gate at the end of the JM stand and smashed her patella .She was blue lighted to Blackburn , operated on and hospitalised for 3 weeks. She was still in a wheelchair at Christmas .

St.Johns report all the accidents to the Club and I did get a letter saying how sorry they were . Nothing more .

I sued the Club . They settled out of Court.

The reason I said they don't care is because the last time I was at the Turf ( end of last season ) the kerb had not been mended . It only protrudes an inch but that's enough when you are in a dense crowd and can't see where you are going .I am very sure that there are worse " obstacles " around the ground just waiting for an accident to happen.

[claret wizard]

There’s The Gate of Death (though no actual deaths have been recorded). Omerod’s Obstacle (hidden away on the right hand side to protect the lighting, but not shins.). The Kerb of Chaos, a 50 metre long hidden drop that’s broken ankles in the past. The Pylon Pit, another piece of random street furniture protecting some random steel pole, but with the added bonus of not being filled in.

[Row x]

How many people are on it? Do we know if any of them post on here?

How would you know?

[fidelcastro]

How would you know?

I don't. That's why I was asking

[Row x]

I don't. That's why I was asking

Exactly.. .you could be one
Most people on here are annon

[fidelcastro]

Exactly.. .you could be one
Most people on here are annon

What a bizarre response.

The names were put up anyway, and as I said I'm aware of some of those people.

If they're allowed to post on here, then the the hope was from many posters that they'd be able to tell us why, they, as a group, agreed with these changes, and if they didn't, why they haven't resigned or whatever.

[Row x]

What a bizarre response.

The names were put up anyway, and as I said I'm aware of some of those people.

If they're allowed to post on here, then the the hope was from many posters that they'd be able to tell us why, they, as a group, agreed with these changes, and if they didn't, why they haven't resigned or whatever.

Or...they may post on here and not want you to know they're a member of the FAB

[fidelcastro]

Or...they may post on here and not want you to know they're a member of the FAB

It's not bloody MI5.

[Row x]

It's not bloody MI5.

It is to them

[fidelcastro]

It is to them

How do you know?

[Barlickclaret]

Think we need to get Saturday over with, then certain people on here will start a new thread to whinge about something else. It's like loyalty point system,same people whinged about that last season. Can't wait for next seasons big whinge.

[GetIntoEm]

Think we need to get Saturday over with, then certain people on here will start a new thread to whinge about something else. It's like loyalty point system,same people whinged about that last season. Can't wait for next seasons big whinge.

Waiting for pie, milk, no peas, expensive beer rages Saturday evening

[Barlickclaret]

Waiting for pie, milk, no peas, expensive beer rages Saturday evening

[claret wizard]

Cricket Field Stand concourse bound to come up, maybe by me!

[bfccrazy]

Details from this link shown below

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... ters-clubs

click on Fan Advisory Board, then on the Members section and it shows the text below.
===================================================================================

Here we’d like to introduce you the FAB Members.

The Fan Advisory Board currently consists of 22 members, all members represent under 18s, 18-24s, 25-34s, 35-44s, 45 -54s, 55-64s & 65-75s. Amongst the members, some of the members also represent gender, disability, ethnicity, religion or belief and sexual orientation.

Adnan Ahmed
Afrasiab Anwar
Andrew Taylor
Charlie Binns
Charlotte Rigby
Daniel Moorhouse
Paul Kidd
Emily Parkinson
Eve Gurman
Evelyn Clough
George Poole
Harry Devonport
Joshua Thompson
Julian Booth
Justine Bedford
Lee Robinson
Natalie Bromley
Natalie Newbitt

I know for a fact that one fan on that list was reported to the club for racism from the stands. Weirdly the super cameras didn't pick it up but witnesses were called up on etc.. But nothing could be proven past the testimony of other fans.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Think we need to get Saturday over with, then certain people on here will start a new thread to whinge about something else. It's like loyalty point system,same people whinged about that last season. Can't wait for next seasons big whinge.

Quality of toilet paper and hand soap. Temperature of hot taps. Length of the grass on the pitch.

[BleedingClaret]

Quality of toilet paper and hand soap. Temperature of hot taps. Length of the grass on the pitch.

They’re whingeing about not having any way to get into a game that they really want to attend and that they’ve paid for

[GetIntoEm]

All the toilet paper will be needed for bandaging broken limbs from the gate of death

[ClaretPuddle]

*Gulp* I am the George in question from the Clarets Trust who also sits on the Fan Advisory Board. To be honest, I have refrained from posting on here too much because our priority are the Clarets Trust members, so we email them directly. I also find it discouraging because I know I/we will be getting slagged off from all corners.

I’m probably going over old ground here but I will say that the point of the FAB is to advise, and try to present a wide array of opinion from the supporter base. But as you all know, at the end of the day, the final decisions ultimately lay with Burnley Football Club.

Sometimes, our advice is acted upon. Sometimes, not so much. But we try our best to be a sounding board, and a voice of common sense.

Unfortunately, I wasn’t actually at the meeting where the Cricket Field Stand changes were discussed, but I have spoken to other FAB members and been clued in.

The positive reaction was more towards the improvements for home supporters as a result of the switch. Primarily, that’s the new concourse area (which wasn’t possible on the other side), the bus arrival down Harry Potts Way (it’s not for everyone, but for kids etc, it’s nice to see the players pre-game), and somewhat unrelated, but improvements to the fanzone to make it more weatherproof.

As for Ormerod Yard, in particular, the understanding (at the time, I must stress) was that the Club were hoping to keep this open for both home and away supporters. There was mention of this perhaps needing to change game on game, depending on Police advise. That was the last that the FAB heard.

After hearing this news, I raised the matter at our Clarets Trust AGM and with the expertise of a former Burnley FC director, we discussed the implications. Our main concern was, and remains, the impact of closing Ormerod Yard on less mobile supporters. We have been contacted by multiple elderly fans who will be negatively impacted by this, which is really sad to hear.

Subsequently, I thought it best to raise this as a specific agenda item at the next Fan Advisory Board meeting. The top brass attend every meeting and it’s a good chance for me to feedback from Clarets Trust members. In the interest of transparency, here is the list of questions I have submitted for discussion:

- What considerations were made over accessibility when making a decision on the walkway behind the Cricket Club? There is some concern over less mobile supporters who might be put off by the long walk around Harry Potts Way to reach Belvedere Road. A general discussion on the Cricket Field Stand updates and their implications for the Cricket Club/Belvedere Road walkway would be welcomed.
- What is the latest with the Ask the Chairman initiative from April?
- What lessons have been taken from misjudging the ticket allocation for Tottenham Hotspur? It seems that demand often outstrips supply for away fixtures in the Premier League. Could more tickets not have gone on sale for Spurs after the demand was noted?
- Has the Club had any communication with Martyn Henderson and the interim Independent Football Regulator since the Football Governance Bill was passed?
- What is the maximum portion of the allocation that can be sold to premium members this season? I seem to remember it was 5% last season but can’t find any specifics on the ticketing website this time around.
- What benefits can we expect to see from the acquisition of Espanyol, and how does this fit the long-term strategy of Burnley Football Club?
- Particularly in relation to fan experience, what are your hopes for the Innovation Hub?

Apologies for the length of this post, but hopefully some of the information is useful. I always try to post a written summary of each FAB meeting I attend on the Trust channels/mailing list, and to be honest, these are often more detailed than the official minutes.

I am abroad with work for the upcoming meeting (mid-September), but am hoping to attend online. So, touch wood for a good signal, and I will hope to raise the Ormerod Yard issue, in particular, as this is a real priority for us.

[Clockwork Claret]

Fair play lad. Keep asking good questions.

*Gulp* I am the George in question from the Clarets Trust who also sits on the Fan Advisory Board. To be honest, I have refrained from posting on here too much because our priority are the Clarets Trust members, so we email them directly. I also find it discouraging because I know I/we will be getting slagged off from all corners.

I’m probably going over old ground here but I will say that the point of the FAB is to advise, and try to present a wide array of opinion from the supporter base. But as you all know, at the end of the day, the final decisions ultimately lay with Burnley Football Club.

Sometimes, our advice is acted upon. Sometimes, not so much. But we try our best to be a sounding board, and a voice of common sense.

Unfortunately, I wasn’t actually at the meeting where the Cricket Field Stand changes were discussed, but I have spoken to other FAB members and been clued in.

The positive reaction was more towards the improvements for home supporters as a result of the switch. Primarily, that’s the new concourse area (which wasn’t possible on the other side), the bus arrival down Harry Potts Way (it’s not for everyone, but for kids etc, it’s nice to see the players pre-game), and somewhat unrelated, but improvements to the fanzone to make it more weatherproof.

As for Ormerod Yard, in particular, the understanding (at the time, I must stress) was that the Club were hoping to keep this open for both home and away supporters. There was mention of this perhaps needing to change game on game, depending on Police advise. That was the last that the FAB heard.

After hearing this news, I raised the matter at our Clarets Trust AGM and with the expertise of a former Burnley FC director, we discussed the implications. Our main concern was, and remains, the impact of closing Ormerod Yard on less mobile supporters. We have been contacted by multiple elderly fans who will be negatively impacted by this, which is really sad to hear.

Subsequently, I thought it best to raise this as a specific agenda item at the next Fan Advisory Board meeting. The top brass attend every meeting and it’s a good chance for me to feedback from Clarets Trust members. In the interest of transparency, here is the list of questions I have submitted for discussion:

- What considerations were made over accessibility when making a decision on the walkway behind the Cricket Club? There is some concern over less mobile supporters who might be put off by the long walk around Harry Potts Way to reach Belvedere Road. A general discussion on the Cricket Field Stand updates and their implications for the Cricket Club/Belvedere Road walkway would be welcomed.
- What is the latest with the Ask the Chairman initiative from April?
- What lessons have been taken from misjudging the ticket allocation for Tottenham Hotspur? It seems that demand often outstrips supply for away fixtures in the Premier League. Could more tickets not have gone on sale for Spurs after the demand was noted?
- Has the Club had any communication with Martyn Henderson and the interim Independent Football Regulator since the Football Governance Bill was passed?
- What is the maximum portion of the allocation that can be sold to premium members this season? I seem to remember it was 5% last season but can’t find any specifics on the ticketing website this time around.
- What benefits can we expect to see from the acquisition of Espanyol, and how does this fit the long-term strategy of Burnley Football Club?
- Particularly in relation to fan experience, what are your hopes for the Innovation Hub?

Apologies for the length of this post, but hopefully some of the information is useful. I always try to post a written summary of each FAB meeting I attend on the Trust channels/mailing list, and to be honest, these are often more detailed than the official minutes.

I am abroad with work for the upcoming meeting (mid-September), but am hoping to attend online. So, touch wood for a good signal, and I will hope to raise the Ormerod Yard issue, in particular, as this is a real priority for us.

[aggi]

The suggestion is that FAB members signed NDA's

This is in the Premier League guidance for FABs, it's not unique to Burnley.

https://resources.premierleague.com/pre ... -FINAL.pdf

[munkyennui]

The accessibility section talks about a response within a timely manner. Don't think you would describe the response to the fans in the CFS as such.