Europa League Thread

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:07 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's not the Australian outback or the Congolese jungle.

Brilliant.

I assume by your incredibly witty remarks that you’ll be going, no matter who we draw then?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:23 pm

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this, but the debate about whether we should support Arsenal against Athletico has been raging on a duplicate thread from earlier.

Following the final earlier today, the side I expect to be the beneficiary if the Arse do give Mr Arse the perfect sendoff, is Feyenoord.

The reason is because on the 2018/19 access list, NED are the country first on the list WITHOUT a group stage place, thus would be the beneficiaries, and Feyenoord, thanks to Van Persie, were in 4th place, would have got a qualifying round place, but will now be hoping to sneak straight in.

Ironically, the below Dutch website is the best one I have seen at explaining it. The Czechs benefitted due to Man Utd winning it in this example. That is why Everton lost out.

So, get those lads on holiday a week or two early Sean, pre season will need adjusting.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/ue ... s2017.html

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:33 pm

And based on your logic does that mean the ranked 18th Domestic cup winners (Denmark) would jump from 2nd to 3rd QF Rd as they are the top seed of the 2nd round teams?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:45 pm

it Isn’t my logic, it is UEFA’s. All I am doing is looking at next year’s access list if (as they would) UEFA do the same thing again.

I don’t really care what other teams get jigged about, but I am 99.9% sure that if Arsenal win the EL, we will not benefit. Probably it will be Feyenoord.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:51 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:it Isn’t my logic, it is UEFA’s. All I am doing is looking at next year’s access list if (as they would) UEFA do the same thing again.

I don’t really care what other teams get jigged about, but I am 99.9% sure that if Arsenal win the EL, we will not benefit. Probably it will be Feyenoord.

By your logic i meant your interpretation. If a team jumps up from the 3rd round to the groups then a team must jimp from the 2nd to the 3rd so Arsenal winning still could benefit us. Looking at what i read as the logic why its the dutch team that is the one who goes from 3rd round to groups would to me suggest the Danish Cup winners would go from 2nd to 3rd and not us.

If youre not that arsed though than fair enough

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:16 pm

I see your point. I am assuming that we wouldn’t jump to Q3 because the convention is to ignore the country of the club winning the EL. I would expect the Danish cup winners to jump to Q3, not us.

This translation is from a Dutch website I was just reading (more bad news):

Feyenoord is secured by the victory of the TOTO KNVB Cup of participation in the third qualifying round of the Europa League. There is still a chance that the team of head coach Giovanni van Bronckhorst will enter the group phase.
Third preliminary round
The matches in the third qualifying round of the Europa League will be finished in the 2018-2019 season on 9 and 16 August. Feyenoord knows after draw on July 23 who the opponent is in the first European matches of the new football year.
If Feyenoord comes through the third preliminary round, the team will qualify for the playoff round of the tournament, whose matches will be played on 23 and 30 August. The winners of the play-off round will qualify for the group stage of the Europa League.
Group stage
Possibly, Feyenoord still starts directly in the group stage of the Europa League. The winner of the Europa League will receive a ticket for the Champions League. If that team has qualified for the group stage of the Europa League through the league, that place will be available for the next country in the UEFA country ranking where the cup winner will not enter the group stage directly. In this case, that is the Netherlands.
The final of the Europa League will be played on May 16th. Olympique Marseille, Red Bull Salzburg, Arsenal and Atlético Madrid still stand a chance of winning the tournament, as they have qualified for the semi-finals.

https://www.fr-fans.nl/nieuws/35705/bek ... ssion=true

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:58 pm

Each of the 48 clubs that feature in the group stage can expect to receive a group stage fee of €2.6m. There will also be performance bonuses of €360,000 for every win and €120,000 for every draw in the group stage. Moreover, qualification bonuses will be allotted to the teams that progress to the round of 32: the group winners can anticipate earning €600,000 apiece and the runners-up €300,000 each.

With regard to the knockout phase, sides competing in the round of 32 will collect €500,000 each, clubs in the round of 16 €750,000, the quarter-finalists €1m and the semi-finalists €1.6m apiece. The UEFA Europa League winners will pick up €6.5m and the runners-up €3.5m.

A team could receive, at best, €15.71m from playing in this season's competition – not counting the market pool share.

What is more, clubs participating in the qualifying rounds will be entitled to a respective payment of €215,000 for the first qualifying round), €225,000 (second), €235,000 (third) and €245,000 (play-off). Note, however, that the play-off winners will not receive the solidarity payment from that specific round.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 am

Booked the 2nd q round dates off today

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:53 am

Holiday does clash, as feared

Hope like hell we get drawn at home first or I'll miss our first game in Europe.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:59 am

Sixth place and straight into the group stages is still a possibilty.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:18 am

Does anybody else still have to remind themselves that Burnley are actually in Europe. It's amazing. Burnley - in Europe.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 am

DustyBawls wrote:Does anybody else still have to remind themselves that Burnley are actually in Europe. It's amazing. Burnley - in Europe.

Don't say that too loud or we'll have people clamoring for a referendum on whether we even want to be.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:54 am

DustyBawls wrote:Does anybody else still have to remind themselves that Burnley are actually in Europe. It's amazing. Burnley - in Europe.

Although it's looking more and more likely, we aren't there yet. Don't like counting my chickens as it usually backfires.

But if we do qualify, do you think it will help us sign a couple of quality players? On the assumption SD wants to improve the squad.

benbfc · Post by **benbfc** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:19 am

Apologies this may have been answered already.

It appears we will finish 7th this year and get Europa Entry.

Can anyone confirm which stage we will be entered?

I assume it will be the Second Qualifying round?

July
5 July: Preliminary round, second leg
12 July: First qualifying round, first leg
19 July: First qualifying round, second leg
23 July: Third qualifying round draw, Nyon
26 July: Second qualifying round, first leg

August
2 August: Second qualifying round, second leg
6 August: Play-off round draw, Nyon
9 August: Third qualifying round, first leg
16 August: Third qualifying round, second leg
23 August: Play-off round, first leg
30 August: Play-off round, second leg
31 August: Group stage draw, Monaco

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:23 am

10,000 posts and still no one knows!!

benbfc · Post by **benbfc** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:25 am

I know its frustrating!! I need to sort my leave!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:26 am

Your assumption is correct I think.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:27 am

Second round

Unless Doncaster draw with Torquay - in which case we go straight through to Champions League quarter finals....I think

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:28 am

I'm just setting off on a European tour on the 5th July and hope I end up in the right place at the right time.

Given my luck this week I will be in Romania when we are playing Total Network Solutions at home.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:28 am

If we finish 7th, and Arsenal win the Europa, we get into the group stage.
If we finish 7th, and Arsenal DONT win the Europa, we get into the Second Qualifying Round.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:29 am

TVC15 wrote:Second round

Unless Doncaster draw with Torquay - in which case we go straight through to Champions League quarter finals....I think

No that is if Torquay win. If its a draw were in the World Cup last 16 pal.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:32 am

And if Doncaster win ?

Mate told me in pub that we end up in Japan in Rugby Union World Cup with an opening game v Western Samoa

Can you clarify please

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:34 am

We`ll get knocked in the quarter-finals by Barcelona.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:35 am

TVC15 wrote:And if Doncaster win ?

Mate told me in pub that we end up in Japan in Rugby Union World Cup with an opening game v Western Samoa

Can you clarify please

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:36 am

TVC15 wrote:And if Doncaster win ?

Mate told me in pub that we end up in Japan in Rugby Union World Cup with an opening game v Western Samoa

Can you clarify please

No he’s telling you porkies Im afraid. We play Michael Van Gerwin.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:38 am

No way - my mate is 80% right....30% of the time.

longside72 · Post by **longside72** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:46 am

When will the draw for the 2nd round be made ? I've seen somewhere 23rd , surely that cant be right !

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:50 am

longside72 wrote:When will the draw for the 2nd round be made ? I've seen somewhere 23rd , surely that cant be right !

All the draw & round dates, up to group stage, are now on the calendar
http://www.uptheclarets.com/friendlies-and-key-dates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:29 pm

For Pete's sake, the right answer has been given a dozen times.

5th and 6th come in at group stage
7th comes in at 2nd qualifying round

Doesn't matter what Arsenal do in this year's tournament. If their spot is vacated it goes to a team from a different country who gets bumped up the qualification entry order.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:37 pm

You watch the bin dippers go mental in Rome and get English clubs banned from Europe again...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:38 pm

What are the europa play offs for? Those who drop out of champs league?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:41 pm

Just seen last years play offs. Looks like we would end up in that? Some big clubs and tough draws last year. Hope to god we are at home on the 23rd not away

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:42 pm

Ditto, or I'm away

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:44 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What are the europa play offs for? Those who drop out of champs league?

For reasons known only to themselves, the four qualifying rounds are known as 1st qualifying round, 2nd qualifying round, 3rd qualifying round, and play-offs. Perhaps the person naming the rounds didn't know any numbers higher than 3.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:47 pm

Mate gets wed on the friday after the second leg of the play offs. Oh well I will go to the next one. (Wedding that is)

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:51 pm

Ah should be ok if we end up at olympiakos. Theres a flight from athens at 01:15 via Doha that lands in Manchester at 13:35 for £1,181. Sounds simpler than the draw.

Paulclaret · Post by **Paulclaret** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:54 pm

dsr wrote:For reasons known only to themselves, the four qualifying rounds are known as 1st qualifying round, 2nd qualifying round, 3rd qualifying round, and play-offs. Perhaps the person naming the rounds didn't know any numbers higher than 3.

The play off round includes teams who lost in the last qualifying round for the Champions League Group stage.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:57 pm

Be interesting to see how the travel arrangements are sorted as plenty will want to go to at least one away game.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:07 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:If we finish 7th, and Arsenal win the Europa, we get into the group stage.
If we finish 7th, and Arsenal DONT win the Europa, we get into the Second Qualifying Round.

I think this is right

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:11 pm

dsr wrote:For reasons known only to themselves, the four qualifying rounds are known as 1st qualifying round, 2nd qualifying round, 3rd qualifying round, and play-offs. Perhaps the person naming the rounds didn't know any numbers higher than 3.

Not the case - play offs are when teams from Champions League come in to join the teams that have qualified through the first three qualifiers.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:21 pm

Has anyone worked out how many matches in the Europa league we would play were we to get to the final?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:30 pm

Spijed wrote:Has anyone worked out how many matches in the Europa league we would play were we to get to the final?

38 in The Premier League
6 in The FA Cup without replays.
8 In The League Cup if we join at the third round and with a two legged semi final.
21 in The Europa if we enter at the second qualifying stage

Total 73 games.

We ****** 67 in 2008/09 with a crap team. 73 with Dyche in charge? Piece of ****!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not the case - play offs are when teams from Champions League come in to join the teams that have qualified through the first three qualifiers.

Not this time. Champions League losers come in at various stages:
20 CL preliminary & first qualifying losers play in EL 2nd qualifying.
15 CL second qualifying losers play in EL 3rd qualifying
6 CL third qualifying losers play in EL play-off round
10 CL third and fourth qualifying losers play in group stages
8 CL group 3rd place teams play in the knock-out last 32.

Wikipedia has a long and involved, but apparently accurate, description.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:35 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:38 in The Premier League
6 in The FA Cup without replays.
8 In The League Cup if we join at the third round and with a two legged semi final.
21 in The Europa if we enter at the second qualifying stage

Total 73 games.

We ****** 67 in 2008/09 with a crap team. 73 with Dyche in charge? Piece of ****!

And then 74 the year after, presumably, with the Charity Shield!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:39 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:38 in The Premier League
6 in The FA Cup without replays.
8 In The League Cup if we join at the third round and with a two legged semi final.
21 in The Europa if we enter at the second qualifying stage

Total 73 games.

We ****** 67 in 2008/09 with a crap team. 73 with Dyche in charge? Piece of ****!

Max of 6 in the League Cup.

Was 61 in 2008/09, just short of the record set in 1960/61.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:48 pm

dsr wrote:And then 74 the year after, presumably, with the Charity Shield!

Don't forget the European Super Cup.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:04 pm

Of course I'm sure SD would be giving the League and FA Cups their usual priority so you can knock 10 games off there for a start.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:09 pm

dsr wrote:And then 74 the year after, presumably, with the Charity Shield!

Dont forget the Supercup

ClaretinMyBlood · Post by **ClaretinMyBlood** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:15 pm

We'd have less games the year after, Win the Europa League & We'll go straight into the Champions League would we?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:20 pm

In the same way you can buy premier league sleeve badges for shirts it'll be cool if the club did the same with the Europa league logo if we qualify.